Wait, Revek could replace an ENTIRE BRAIN, but not a heart?!

SaltyToplaneGoat·Dec 8, 2016·17 votes·1,216 views

Like, the heart is not exactly a very complicated thing. It's a muscle working in a rather complex way, but nothing that couldn't be solved by machinery.

But the brain? The most complex organ in the entire human body?

My only guess is that they stuffed one of the Brackern-stones into her and the soul of the Brackern merged with Orianna's mind to create something new while powering the machinery... would at least explain how she could move the sphere, if for the soul-stone it is seen as part of her body.

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SplisionDec 8, 20168 votes

Well from what I understood, Reveck didn't replace Orianna's heart because there was no need to. It was the only organ left in her body that wasn't failing. There was no need to replace it.

However Reveck didn't make and give her a new mechanical heart because he knew that with one she would be able to function independently, and he wanted her to stay close to him in order to protect her.

That's why he made a key to power her lungs; to ensure that she would always stay close to him. Orianna finally replaced her heart not only to function independently, but also to give her father a heart transplant.

Star GuardíanDec 8, 20163 votes

I found this odd too. If he was able to transfer her mind into machinery, creating an artificial heart should've been a cake-walk. I mean, artificial hearts actually exist irl.

RebonackDec 8, 20162 votes

If I were to take a stab at it, the brain in the League universe is viewed more or less the way it was viewed by most pre-science cultures. As this big lump that helps regulate your body but otherwise doesn't do much. The heart, however, was considered the interface for the soul. But that doesn't explain how Orianna would transplant her soul from her fleshy heart to her new hexcrystal core.

midnight oil24Dec 8, 20161 votes

I think that Reveck is a genius and it's been shown through things like creator viktor and the battlecasts that you can survive having your brain removed and replaced with hextech. So I think that that's what's going on here.

SaltyToplaneGoatDec 8, 20161 votes

These are skins set in a future AU.

Could somewhen on Runeterra the tech for an artificial brain exist? Yes, indeed, some day that might be possible. BUT NOT before they have the skill to make a mechanical heart easily, which is far, FAR simpler. This is like asking for a F1 racing car when all you have is a prototype that barely makes 10 m/ph without falling apart...

midnight oil24Dec 8, 20163 votes

I think that since this is runeterra, where human biology clearly doesn't conform to our rules, (here's looking at you, Garen and Jinx ) we shouldn't just assume that the brain operates at the same level of importance. Maybe a heart is a valuable magical conduit that isn't to be messed with, and maybe the brain handles less important stuff. Humans are clearly more durable and powerful, and seem to operate under some different rules, so that's possible too.

SaltyToplaneGoatDec 8, 20161 votes

Magic usually either goes through the whole body or through the brain. Usually in fantasy worlds when magic users "overcharge" they either turn into ash (after making a really pretty giant fireball) or their brain cooks out of their ears (smells... not exactly nice).

No matter the magic however, the brain is still important. You can be brain dead. But you can't be heart-dead. That's just called being "completly dead".

Jinx might be a bad example tho, as she is suspected to be heavily modified on a biological level.

midnight oil24Dec 8, 20162 votes

Keep in mind, however, that most magic worlds don't have yordles or hextech. It also usually isn't the world's equivalent of nuclear power, complete with harmful radiation. I'm just saying that we can't just apply the same rules to runeterra because it has so many things that differentiate it from other fantasy settings. Who knows how magic fully works here?

The brain is definitely important, I'm just thinking it might not be as important here.

Valaran NaraDec 8, 20161 votes

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If you read Camille's color text and biography, it actually makes note of clockwork hearts. Camille has one and been alive for 80 yrs because of it. I am pretty sure that is long before the story of Orianna came to be.

Unfortunately, only 2 people knew how to make it: Hakim and his nephew. Hakim disappeared and died off a while ago. His nephew reappeared, lost all of his designs, and now works for Clan Medarda.

Which means, only 3 people know how now. Hakim, nephew, and Orianna. What makes the heart difficult is that the pervasion of magic, and the central component which makes up most technology (hex crystals and magic) is what prevents a heart pump that could be placed inside. Why would they have that when everything could be made in a vastly different way? It skews how things work.

I can only assume that her brain works like a computer now. What makes it hard to replace the brain for us is that we don't have a way to fully keep one's personality or reimbue their previous memories. You see in Orianna's lore that her personality slowly changed. She thinks more like a computer now, so what was magical and phantasmal (the ballet and theatre) have now been analyzed thoroughly for flow of movement. Her memories were probably downloaded as well as transferred through a crystal of some sort which powers her mind.

But yeah. In essence, he just put random hard drive in there and put in an Orianna OS with memories downloaded.

I can only assume that a mechanical heart for a fully living creature is a rather...esoteric thing to work out.

Star GuardíanDec 8, 20169 votes

He's a genius, but what OP is getting at is that the brain is infinitely more complicated than the heart. So if he could successfully create an artificial brain, why was it so hard for him to create an artificial heart, something that actually exists in the real world.

Also, they were not in possession of a hextech or life stone until the end of the story which they used to replace Orianna's heart, so that explanation doesn't work either.

Also Battlecast and Creator Viktor are not canon.

midnight oil24Dec 8, 20162 votes

I explain my reasoning up above. Thank you for taking the time to post your reply, though!

Star GuardíanDec 8, 20162 votes

I know you explained your reasoning and I refuted it.

midnight oil24Dec 8, 20161 votes

Oh. I meant when I said this:

I think that since this is runeterra, where human biology clearly doesn't conform to our rules, (here's looking at you, and ) we shouldn't just assume that the brain operates at the same level of importance. Maybe a heart is a valuable magical conduit that isn't to be messed with, and maybe the brain handles less important stuff. Humans are clearly more durable and powerful, and seem to operate under some different rules, so that's possible too.

Star GuardíanDec 8, 20161 votes

Oh ok, thanks for clarifying I thought you meant the comment I replied to.