So should we throw out the idea of characters coming outside of Valoran/ the Void?

Forhonor321··2 votes·686 views

For those who don't know or remember, there are/were some champs that had their lore describing them from other worlds, such as old Taric and currentMalphite. Now obviously Taric got reworked and his lore changed to make him more of a resident of Runeterra and more than likely Malphite will get the same when he finally gets his update.

And before anyone says "oh he's just trying to bring back the old lore with the summoners beh", no that's not what this is about. To be honest, I really hate the old lore as I look back on it. It really limited the feeling of powerful characters like AurelionSol by simply stating that they're being controlled by something else, pretty much losing all of that powerful feeling that they have because there's something far more powerful than pretty much everything in the world (and it's human size!).

But I do want to talk about future champions possibly coming from other worlds and not always from Runterra/Valoran or the Void. I just feel like there will come a time when we've gotten to a point were we can't fit in anymore characters into Valoran lore-wise and so we may have to expand out a bit. Hell, I mean this is already kind of still a thing with Bard with some of his lore stating "travels through realms beyond the imagination of mortal beings."

If Bard can technically be from another world, why can't we get some more champs that somehow appear to Runterra, like maybe there are actual mages trying to summon something with a spell but not as actual summoners. Just regular mages trying to say summon a demon from another dimension or something else but they misfire and summon some warlord orge or a different species of troll. Maybe there's a character similar to Magic the Gathering's planeswalker coming to discover Valoran on some sort of travel map or warn them or Ryze about something that's coming. Hell, you could even go the Warcraft route and just have one world open some giant doorway to Valoran.

I know there are still a lot of possibilities for characters and lore for Valoran and the Void but I'm just throwing out an idea that maybe we could still keep other world colliding or out-worlders coming an idea for certain characters, mainly those that don't exist in the current world of Runeterra, like orcs, murlocs, etc.

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GreenLore6 votes

You say different world,but what exactly do you mean by that?

Do you mean different planets?Different planes of existence?Alternate universes?Or just different continent(because as Sharjo pointed out,Valoran is just the north continent,shurima and some other factions are on the south continent and ionia is its own continent,Runeterra is the name of the planet).

And we do actually have champs that are not from Runeterra. AurelionSol was literally born alongside the universe,so he is older than the planet itself. spirits seem to be from their own plane of existence(the spirit realm),which would cover champs like Bard Nocturne TahmKench and Kindred And while we don't know what exactly she is,we know she comes from space as well Soraka

Krabohod1 votes

Also, I think place where Hecarim and Kalista is from is another continent.

GreenLore1 votes

More or less true. Sharjo(who works with Riot) specified below that Bilgewater and the shadowisles are independent islands.

So while they aren't part of a different continent,they don't belong to any of the main continents either.

Krabohod1 votes

It was kinda mentioned in one of the Ask Riot. Just now we just can't fully state where Hec and Kalista are from, or even is it a continent or islands. But my money on that it is continent.

GreenLore1 votes

Ah misunderstood you,thought you were referring to the shadow isles,not the land of Heca and Kalista.

But yeah,its kinda hard to pin down,considering that the kingdom likely doesn't even exist anymore.

thecowley2 votes

I like the idea, but it would also to see another troll, ascension is always an option,and other targon aspects as well. For me characters like bard and a.sol should be uncommon or rare in the line up.

I'm just hoping kayle and morgana keep the outsider origin as well

SithesisLord1 votes

I'm just hoping kayle and morgana keep the outsider origin as well

Can´t remember exactly which Rioter it was, but i think it was commented by one when the Vastaya lore was revealed that Kayle and Morg, when asked if they were Vastayan that both would remain outsiders after their updates.

Sharjo2 votes

Not of Valoran or the Void by way of either birthplace or primary affiliation/residence:

Ahri Amumu AurelionSol Azir Bard Corki Diana Elise Evelynn Gangplank Gnar Graves Hecarim Heimerdinger Illaoi Irelia Janna Jax Jhin Kalista Karma Karthus Kayle Kennen Kindred Kled LeeSin Leona Lulu Malzahar Maokai MasterYi MissFortune Mordekaiser Morgana Nami Nasus Nautilus Nidalee Pantheon Poppy Rakan Rammus Renekton Rengar Rumble Shen Sivir Skarner Soraka Syndra TahmKench Taliyah Taric Teemo Thresh Tristana TwistedFate Varus Veigar Volibear MonkeyKing Xayah Xerath Yasuo Yorick Zed Ziggs Zyra

And I probably missed some.

Wording is important friend.

Epicurus1 votes

So Bandle City is confirmed not to be in the north? Does it even have a fixed location?

Digielf1 votes

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So Bandle City is confirmed not to be in the north? Does it even have a fixed location?

in the old map its south-east

http://pm1.narvii.com/5879/2b3bf27698875059d60c8b20650908aa7a4cce83_hq.jpg

Sharjo2 votes

Bandle City's a weird place. I actually don't know where it is, or if it's even on Runeterra, if I'm honest.

Krabohod1 votes

Is everything will still tastes funny when/if people are visiting?

GreenLore1 votes

So do Bilgewater and the shadow isles count as islands that belong to the shuriman continent?

Sharjo1 votes

Bilgewater's an independent nation and the Serpent Isles don't belong to any particular nation either. The Shadow Isles has always been in a similar boat, even when it was the Blessed Isles.

Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes

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Not of Valoran or the Void by way of either birthplace or primary affiliation/residence:

Ahri Amumu AurelionSol Azir Bard Corki Diana Elise Evelynn Gangplank Gnar Graves Hecarim Heimerdinger Illaoi Irelia Janna Jax Jhin Kalista Karma Karthus Kayle Kennen Kindred Kled LeeSin Leona Lulu Malzahar Maokai MasterYi MissFortune Mordekaiser Morgana Nami Nasus Nautilus Nidalee Pantheon Poppy Rakan Rammus Renekton Rengar Rumble Shen Sivir Skarner Soraka Syndra TahmKench Taliyah Taric Teemo Thresh Tristana TwistedFate Varus Veigar Volibear MonkeyKing Xayah Xerath Yasuo Yorick Zed Ziggs Zyra

And I probably missed some.

Wording is important friend.

Wait a minute... My english is not my primary language so... i dont understand...

The primary affiliation of Malzahar isnt the Void?

Lady Faceless1 votes

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Wait a minute... My english is not my primary language so... i dont understand...

The primary affiliation of Malzahar isnt the Void?

Malzahar is associated with the Void, but he was born as a Shuriman seer. So, basically, he is from the Shurima continent, which still has no name. (That is that I call proper world-building!)

Sharjo2 votes

Tailalilia gets where I was going there. Malzahar's a Shuriman with void ties, so not Valorian in any way.

Lady Faceless1 votes

Just a question: Does the Shurima continent has finally a name? Or is it just Shurima? Like the country and the captial?

Also it's Tialilia or Tia is also fine

Sharjo1 votes

Not that I'm aware of presently.

Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes

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Tailalilia gets where I was going there. Malzahar's a Shuriman with void ties, so not Valorian in any way.

But, Noxus is part of Valoran, Right?... Because, If we talk about champions the birthplace of the champions... Why some champions born in Noxus are in the list ( Karthus Elise... and technically Mordekaiser who was born before Noxus, but in the same place as far as i know)? (Same question for the Demacian Taric)

Sharjo1 votes

Not of Valoran or the Void by way of either birthplace or primary affiliation/residence:

That was what I used for the reasoning there.

Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes

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That was what I used for the reasoning there.

Ohhh, i see

Epicurus1 votes

Well Aurelion Sol's lore does confirm that Runeterra isn't the only life-bearing planet in the cosmos. So it wouldn't be a stretch for there to be an alien champion. But this would be from another planet, not from another universe like the old lore seems to describe. There needs to be a good reason for them to be on Runeterra though, and they would have to be an interesting character in their own right, rather than just being "the alien champion".

Soraka, Kayle and Morgana may potentially have this origin when they are eventually updated. Malphite being an alien just seems wrong to me, but it is possible.

The problem with the old-lore extra dimensional entities is that there were too many of them, and being extra-dimensional entities did not really make any impact on their stories. Having so many different alternate universes lost its meaning and just became an excuse for not being able to write a more interesting origin story.

Krabohod1 votes

First of all, Riot still has a many ways to go, even on Runterra. The recent addition of Baccai show us that. Secondly, right now it's best for Riot to expand/finalize Runterra stuff. Like fully exploring all the continents and etc. Thirdly, we already have 3 champs from cosmos: Aurelion, Soraka and Bard. And also Targonian OG's.

Rebonack1 votes

Many champs were originally off-worlders before their Lore reboots. Malphite still is. But Riot has been steering away from that of late. I was honestly surprised by mister smarmy space dragon.

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