I'm not sure why Riot keeps always the "most-cliche" characters as their posterchilds.

SaltyToplaneGoat··6 votes·557 views

Just look at the current SG-skins: A nine-taled fox, the powerful domina-mage, the sexy pirate, the anime protagonist (you can thank the popularity of Final Fantasy for that connection lol),...

I mean, those champions are all fine and got their right to exist, but if I as a studio would want to display the most unique and original characters of my game and shower them with cool skins instead of promoting the archetypes that have already been done again and again.

I'm kinda happy that Soraka got a new skin, if it has fancier particles than Celestial I might even get it, but in the end this favouring of certain champs over others just looks weird by now. Not sure how the skin-pipline looks now, but I doubt they have skins for Illaoi, Yorick, and Aurelion Sol in production.

They got a sassy Star Dragon in the lineup, who I consider one of Riot's best and original characters, and yet we never hear and see any of him anywhere - just where is the logic in that?! Same kinda with Illaoi, who's an archetype also not seen very often in gaming (at least far fewer than the typical ones above).

Again: why does Riot use champions as poster-childs that make them look so normal, instead of using those that really make people say "wow, THAT'S something new/something rarely seen, this now makes me curious"?

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Big Lincoln3 votes

because cliches work

SEKAI3 votes

You do realise the Star Guardian skinline is a direct homage to magical girl anime such as Sailor Moon, Cardcaptor Sakura and the more recent Madoka Magica right? Of course concerning the champs who are going to be in this skinline, Riot has to pick characters that somewhat make sense with it and not just anybody, you know.

Riot also has confirmed that the ones who has been a little left behind on skins (assuming not currently stuck in the rework process) will be getting theirs within this year. Just be patient.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Tbh for a magical girl group we already have to many. And yes I AM familiar with that aspect of japanese pop-culture, if my name has not made it obvious enough, but THANK YOU for reminding me of this very obvious thing.

One more and Ezreal as an tuxedo mask homage would have been enough, we mostly needed some villains now. I mean, magical girls are just a variant of the superhero-archetype, and what is a hero without villains? Boring AF obviously. Without villains Batman is just a rich white guy putting on weird cosplay and beating up the mentally ill. I mean, he does that anyways, but with the crazy people actually giving him a reason to do so. He'd be boring as hell if not for them, and that's what the Star Guardians need as well. Maybe they take the Dark Star skinline and use them, who knows?

Also the characters are not exactly fitting, "strong & sexy" is usually not the first archetype that pops up when you think "magical girl", but with MF, Syndra and possible even Ahri... one of them might have fit in, but all three? That doesn't really work out. Especially now that we suddenly have a doubeling of character archetypes that wouldn't fly on a properly written Magical Girl show.

SEKAI2 votes

Magical girl genre started as Japan's own feminism/girl-empowerment movement, after all it's pioneered by Sailor Moon's author Naoko Takeuchi, together with her husband Yoshihiro Togashi (author of Yu Yu Hakusho and Hunter x Hunter), both like to challenge the social norm on sexuality/orientation, identification and gender stereotypes in their works.

But unlike the western feminism movements, the goal of Japanese feminism movement is not to say that female are treated inferior to male and thus to "catch up" women will need to "man up". The focus of Japanese's feminism movement is to celebrate the femininity itself and promoting its power/importance.

This is why magical girl anime has always been much fluffy and frequently utilise themes such as music (though there are definitely other more "cool" elements/characters in there too), but it is really not just for male audiences to drool over or something. It's to promote that "you're a strong and kind girl" message. That's the original intent of the magical girl genre.

This genre would then evolve, and in the more recent years, it has started to add high-speed brawls in it as an extension of the original message and its intent to challenge the gender norms. Similarly this is about time when "magical boys" sub-genre is created, where it tells the boys that it's okay to like doing girly stuff, because it's just who they are (it hasn't formed a genre yet, though outside of the occasional appearances of magical boys in titles and as far as media people, creators and "otaku", are concerned, they are perfectly fine with boys who like doing "girly stuff". This is why many anime these days often slip in a highly masculine guy and give him a hobby that's usually considered feminine such as knitting or baking).

Sure, as with anything, magical girls have its own subgenre where it's just an excuse for the audience to stare at the fancy outfits on pretty girls, because "muh waifu" or whatever (it's not like I'm not guilty of this myself). But it doesn't change the point of magical girl being to empower girls and raise the awareness by appreciating and celebrating femininity.

This means, as far as the currently included characters, I don't feel the new additions to the SG skinline are out of place to be frank.

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Anyways. I do agree that SG skins need a "villain". But then again, there is a new game mode coming right up, that centers around the SG skins and how they protect the world from void creatures or something. So that's that done.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Uhm, while Sailor Moon was the most popular, I'd think it's safe to say that Card Captor Sakura was what really kicked of the whole thing. I mean, it was the work that made CLAMP famous, so there's gotta be something to it.

I am personally not happy with feminism spilling in and claiming the laurels on that one, but maybe that's just because in the west thrid wave feminism is such an obnoxious disgrace that brings shame to the entire history of the movement. Mostly it was the universal reception of CCS with both the male and female audience that made the Anime industry do it's usual thing of "oh god we found something that is commercially succesfull? MAKE TEN BILLION VARIATIONS OF IT!"

This is a mechanism inherent to every center of cultural production, but the fast and merciless pace at which the anime industry moves kinda brings that up to a whole new level. In this enviorment commercial success is everything, all ideological stuff is just something you add later so you can sound smart when giving interviews.

In the end it's a power fantasy with a female protagonist going with feminine aesthetics, that has their roots in the Super Sentai (or "Power Rangers" in the west) genre, as most of japanese superhero-antics do. The concept of giving every member of the "hero team" a distinctive color kinda stems from there as an example.

Altho aside from one parody I have not seen a "magical boy" anime yet, there are just male characters sometimes appearing in the regular shows, which is good enough I guess.

Also the genre itself is currently going through it's subversion, trying to shake of that "series for little girls" image by giving you death and despair in Madoka Magica and Mhou Shojo Raising Project.


The male with feminine hobbies is not an invention of that tho. Even in 80s delinquent manga you have super-hard-boiled badasses have such hobbies - mostly hobbies that they were mocked for from others, which led to them becoming delinquents in the fist place (by beating up the others), but without abandoning the hobby. Mostly used to give them more character and stuff.


Tbh I think the otaku community as a whole doesn't give much of a hoot about gender conventions - I mean, going by the porn quite a lot of them fap to I doubt they even limit their aesthetics by what is commonly viewed as "normal sexual biology". Generally, with anime having been so extremly niche in the west for a long time, most of the fanbase kinda took on the "weirdo" idenity, so if you are already branded a weirdo, you might as well stop caring about whatever else society says about certain conventions.


Back to topic: feminism had probably nothing to do with it. They found something that had great appeal to the general audience, and as 50% of the potential maximal audience is female, they just aimed at that with a stronger focus on feminine aesthetics in later shows.

Also I find the "they just want the male audience to drool" argument weird. Do those people actually know what a REAL "drool"-show looks like? Like, High School DxD or Monster Musume? And those are even rather harmless examples. Magical Girls are maybe the genre that's the furthest away from it tbh.


Also there seem to be some villains in the new mode, but nothing with charisma or personality, just low level monster-grunts. But maybe there's more to it when we see it hit the PBE...

Dragon Master2 votes

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53436278DEL11 votes

which ever attracts people

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

Now which attracts people more: stuff they have seen a million times already or stuff that's new and interesting?

53436278DEL12 votes

familiarity

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

If ahri never got a SG skin something was definitly off.

also: how is soraka not an overused cliche?

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