You can't just change the Bow into a Darkin and be done with it.

ModAcademy Kayn··3 votes·348 views

You can't do it without creating another Kayn, or another Pantheon. Let me explain.

As seen in the Varus comic, where The-Darkin-Properly-Known-As-Varus goes on the Noxian killing spree, with Kai feeling really angry about it, allowing it, not fighting it, the Possession of a Darkin is pretty tied with their Host's feelings/spirit. Kai was angry, and Varus used those feelings to try and gain full control. If it wasn't for Val, they'd both be consumed and lost.

Now take a look at Kayn, another human host is constantly fighting against Rhaast, for control of the power within. He's strong willed, determined, and pretty powerful all things considered, even without Rhaast. He is at a constant 1v1 against Rhaast, a constant battle of will, to wrestle control away from each other. And that's the thing, Kayn is actively fighting against Rhaast.

Now take a look at Varus after the death of his family. He's grief stricken, heartbroken, and filled with a desire for vengeance against Noxians. Going by how The-Darkin-Properly-Known-As-Varus tries to manipulate Kai into giving into his anger, how do you think Varus would fare? He doesn't care what happens to him, he just wants revenge, so all the Darkin needs to do is whisper some sweet lies, and then take control.

Suddenly, we have another Pantheon, where the Darkin has fully taken over Varus, making it a completely new character with a now irrelevant backstory. The only other possibility is that Varus tries to fight for control over the bow, but then we just have Kayn-but-with-a-bow. It's even more unlikely for the second to happen due to how desperate and broken he is for revenge in the first place, it'd be incredibly easy for him to take over.

Darkin are infinitely more complicated than whatever was in the Pit of Pallas, you can't simply copy-pasta a Darkin over it.

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MysterQ1 votes

See. You got the character's names completely wrong. Kai was loving. Val was angry. The storytelling was nice looking, but poorly executed.

Do Darkin necessarily have to be evil and feed off revenge? That is something only Riot can decide, right now it seems as such. Idea one (Darkin are not pure evil), Varus husband and son die. Varus accepts his decision to give into Darkin and revenge. They start to fuse together, (heck the story can say it takes awhile to fuse). They kill a bunch of stuff. Varus sees Darkin's mind or talks to Darkin. Darkin has a family he is fighting for, Darkin wants revenge because he lost a lot of loved ones. Varus is still angry, but he sees that Darkin also has a 'human' side. It gets a little wishy washy depending on where RIot wants to take it. But Darkin and Varus can understand the want for revenge, but also the longing for family, Darkin and Varus can work together to find his family. So in harmony, or a number of other directions.

Idea two (Darkin are pure evil). Varus son dies. Varus in rage decides to unlock the temple power. His husband tries to stop him. They get into a fight, Varus says this is his decision hurts his husband/abandons reason. Enters well. Husband jumps in after him. Darkin takes over. Varus is angry, husband is loving. Varus still had solid loss (son). Made a solid decision (get power). Still has voice of reason (husband).

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO1 votes

Or the Darkin disregards the mortal for what it is and goes on his merry way to bring about the apocalypse. The common theme amongst all the darkin so far is that they do not hold humans in any regard at all. I think both of the proposed options are weaker than the direction of the new lore

MysterQ1 votes

The second one is literally this same lore.

Darkin pure evil. Varus/Valmar wants revenge. Kai/Husband wants to stop this.

And it may be weaker, it was just a poorly typed paragraph. They could flesh it out. The current story has very little detail as it is.

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

Woops, my bad with the names.

Idea one goes against every single idea that Riot has gone for with Darkin. They are not meant to be "Sympathetic" characters, and there wouldn't be any Varus left for him to sympathize with in the first place. Varus would be 100% gone, as seen with Rhaast.

Idea number two, just doesn't hold the weight of either his new story or his old one. As much as the death of a child would be, he would still have his spouse to mourn with. He's not entirely alone, he doesn't have nothing to lose, he still has his lover. Val (The angry one right?) had nothing to lose, because he couldn't imagine a world without Kai, and so he went to the well. Varus had nothing to lose because his entire family and village was dead.

Lessening the impact to a single/many child ruins the emotional depth either story has, and doesn't make it "A man with nothing to lose".

MysterQ2 votes

We just differ here. But you still proved my point that the character were not developed and were bland.

Point one, fair enough if that is where Riot wants to take it.

Point two, you are right. He can mourn with his husband. But Valmar.... currently is not alone. Yes he would have been.... but now he isn't. So it is almost in the same spot. And imo (maybe I am just a fan of my own imagination), if Varus/Valmar did something crazy in his fight with Husband/Valmar/Kai it could end up super tragic. It is not something I ever want to recount, but I have seen family pull knives on each other. Varus/Valmar in anger could hurt his husband (but I don't think he needs to) anything to strain the relationship that is currently falling apart because ofhis anger for losing his son. In the end, Valmar right now is not alone. Kai was dying, but he is together. In my version, Valmar and Kai both lost something tangible and permanent. They may be together, but they are also in a different emotional space.

Either way, we will disagree. It doesn't even matter, because the lore is done. I think you had a nice point on saying the angry had nothing to lose and made his choice. I like that, =\ except the story then revives them and puts them back together again even inside Varus (see ending). So he lost nothing.

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

A man with nothing to lose, can mean two things. With Old Varus, he was simply a broken man who did what he did, because there was nothing left for him. All he has, and all he wants, is Vengeance, and without a family to care for him, he has nothing to lose by pursuing vengeance.

The second is, in simpler terms, "There's no harm in trying". His heartlight is already dying, so even if that Pit did nothing to save him, there was the possibility that it might. So the options are "Don't do anything and Kai dies" or "Try the Pit because it has a chance to save him, and if it doesn't, well Kai was already dying in the first place". There is only "benefit" in trying, even if the chance of success is vague.

It's not about him losing someone, it's about him going to dangerous lengths to save who he loves, because even if that option killed him, he was already dying. "Nothing to lose, all to gain". It's like 1 + X (Where X = 0 or 1 based on a coin flip.) If you choose not to flip a coin, you will get a 1. If you do choose to flip, you have a chance to get a 2, but regardless, you have the guaranteed value of 1. There is only something to gain by flipping, meaning, you have nothing to lose.

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