so the gambler and his wife in river kings lore...

lolipopevelynn·Jun 19, 2015·7 votes·5,033 views

is it confirmed to be TF? and his wife must be eve before the shadow isles turned her into what she is now? if this is the case them i must commend riot for finally giving us a LITTLE hint towards eves backstory.

if not then holy shit what a missed opportunity..... main thing that makes lore so good in this game is when a new champ like the river king connects other champions together like that.

if those two characters were just random people then why should we even care? if its TF + eve then it gives so much value to there lore that might not have been entirely explained in there main lore.

52 Comments

GenoXxJun 19, 201511 votes

lol omg, nooooooo

Dammit that guy started this trend. It's not eve or TF.

SharjoJun 19, 201510 votes

Upvoting because not everyone who is anything is immediately a champion we already know in the League universe.

lolipopevelynnJun 19, 20151 votes

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Upvoting because not everyone who is anything is immediately a champion we already know in the League universe.

they made this evident with the last few champs we got. there hasnt been a direct new champ to old champ connection since jinx release with her connection to vi. and before that it was lucian.

i think we are overdue for these kinds of connections.

SharjoJun 19, 20152 votes

Sion -> Swain JarvanIV Leblanc Vladimir

Azir -> Sivir

2nd FiddleJun 19, 20151 votes

Kalista RekSai Bard Ekko When you put four new central characters into your story over the course of seven months and they don't have any solid connection to your other 121 central characters, people need to start talking to one another.

LavasiothJun 19, 20152 votes

Ekko is part of Jinx's and Vi's old gang does that count?

Duke AnaxJun 20, 20151 votes

actually a Rioter has stated that he explicitely is not part of the gang. that there isn't even a gang to begin with. the number are just random coincidence.

LordGeovanniJun 21, 20151 votes

but the picture of jinx on the wall is a coincidence too i thought the rioter just said that the roman numerals mean nothing

Duke AnaxJun 21, 20151 votes

I think they also said that is not a picture of jinx.#

Which makes sense that is memorial wall after all and jinx is still alive.

LordGeovanniJun 21, 20151 votes

i remember them saying vi wasnt there but not saying it wasnt jinx

Ebonmaw DragonJun 20, 20151 votes

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When you put four new central characters into your story over the course of seven months and they don't have any solid connection to your other 121 central characters, people need to start talking to one another.

Reksai has fought against Renekton Kalista has some problems with Hecarim Ekko seems to have a conection with Vi and Jinx.

2nd FiddleJun 20, 20151 votes

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Reksai has fought against Renekton

First I've heard of it. When did this happen?

Kalista has some problems with Hecarim

Kalista also has "some problems" with Cass, TF, Lissandra, Zed, and just dragons in general. This is not a solid connection until we know how they are connected.

Ekko seems to have a conection with Vi and Jinx.

well..

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Ekko isn't directly related to Jinx or Vi. He's too young to have been getting into scrapes alongside Vi, though he knows of her. The lady has a well-earned rep.

Ebonmaw DragonJun 20, 20151 votes

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First I've heard of it. When did this happen?

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141211015804/leagueoflegends/images/3/3f/Rek%27Sai_-_Scourge_of_the_Desert_08.png

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/creative-spotlight/reksai-scourge-desert

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2nd FiddleJun 20, 20152 votes

Sorry, it might just be my eyes, but I'm not seeing Renekton there.

GreenLoreJun 21, 20151 votes

the pic is kinda small. On the left side on the mountain there is a painting where you can see rek'sai fighting against a warrior whose face is obscured. We can conclude that this warrior is in fact human renekton,because he uses the same weapon(the weapon is located at the bottom left of that picture)

2nd FiddleJun 21, 20151 votes

So you're telling me it must be Renekton because he's using the same kind of weapon. When we have no reason to believe Renekton's weapon is unique.

GreenLoreJun 21, 20151 votes

Renektons weapon is pretty unique looking though and there is no reason in hiding a painting like that(it is really hard to see) only for it to show something completely pointless.

Especially since the head of the man is destroyed,which is likely done so that they can think about human renektons design later on.

GreenLoreJun 21, 20151 votes

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Kalista also has "some problems" with Cass, TF, Lissandra, Zed, and just dragons in general. This is not a solid connection until we know how they are connected.

well..

Kalista hates and hunts betrayers,so she has a natural grudge agaisnt the champions who betrayed someone(though it is unknown who was betrayed by hecarim),she might have even taken the souls of random npcs as a price to hunt these champs(after all most of them didn't just betray a single person,but most likely several ones)

I dunno though how you get the idea that kalista has something against dragons,I mean yeah she has a few special lins for the dragon,but that isn't unusual nowadays.

As for Ekko: Yeah he doesn't seem to be directly related to the 2,but he certainly knows them(after all ekko had once a crush on jinx) and its actually thanks to him that we know that vi was born in zaun.

2nd FiddleJun 21, 20151 votes

My point is that all four of these champions have no personal connections to any of our other central characters. That makes it hard for anything to actually feel like this story-world is being developed.

GreenLoreJun 21, 20151 votes

Well the world is big. So why does everyone have to be connected? Having everyone directly connected makes the world feel small and honestly kinda cliche.

Of course you are right that they should release characters who connect to others from time to time,because having no connections among the cast is obiously even worse,so I can understand your point,I just don't feel like they have to force a connection to everyone.

lolipopevelynnJun 23, 20151 votes

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Well the world is big. So why does everyone have to be connected? Having everyone directly connected makes the world feel small and honestly kinda cliche.

Of course you are right that they should release characters who connect to others from time to time,because having no connections among the cast is obiously even worse,so I can understand your point,I just don't feel like they have to force a connection to everyone.

2 ppl being connected to 1 champ is not "everyone"... its not even 1% of champs in fact.

GreenLoreJun 23, 20151 votes

I meant it more like:"Why does everyone have to have a connection with an existing champion"

Also if Ekko is connected to jinx and vi,then he'd be indirectly connected to caitlyn and jayce and jayce is connected to viktor who in turn is connected to urgot and Blitzcrank who have a connection to Rammus,Swain,Garen,JarvanIV,who are connected to others and so on :p

DreamspitterJun 20, 20151 votes

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When you put four new central characters into your story over the course of seven months and they don't have any solid connection to your other 121 central characters, people need to start talking to one another.

Yes but Ekko KNOWS who vi and jinx are.

2nd FiddleJun 20, 20151 votes

Yes, and I know who Bill Gates is. But I am not connected to him in any way.

Karn BishopJun 19, 20155 votes

Lets look at it another way, if it is TF then it makes him look like a half wit who signs an agreement without even knowing what he will lose, and what con man/gambler would ever do that?

In short if that is TF they are destroying him worse then when they made Viktor look like a 2 bit villain.

EeirailJun 19, 20153 votes

Gambling people are impulsive, he did something to grant him something he wanted and in turn it came back to bite him.

just because you're a gambler doesn't mean you always win.

Karn BishopJun 19, 20155 votes

Except that is TF's whole theme the cards always come up in twisted fates favor no matter the situation even if it would be otherwise impossible for it to happen, also yes most gamblers are impulsive especially the bad ones but you cannot convince me that TF would sign a contract without knowing what he was giving up or how much he was going to lose.

In addition to that TF was raised a gypsy so he would know almost every con in the book from a very very young age.

EeirailJun 19, 20152 votes

None of what you say covers impulsive though, and he might not have always been that way, he could have lost a great deal before gaining the ability to always beat the odds and win.

I'm almost 100% sure that Twisted Fate is NOT the gambler in question, but it's for more logical reasons than "It can't be him because he is too smart.".

Karn BishopJun 19, 20152 votes

I don't think its TF either simply because he cannot be that dumb, you might argue that he is impulsive but if you think he would take this deal then you are also saying he is stupid as well, i mean really? he will grant everything you want money gold women and the only thing he would like as payment is to be reserved a seat at a fancy restaurant?

So yes if you say TF would agree to something thats to good to be true and is very clearly a trap you are indeed destroying the entire foundation upon which his theme stands upon.

also stop downvoting me just becaues you do not agree with my opinion, that's not the purpose of that feature.

EeirailJun 19, 20151 votes

I'm not the one downvoting you, just to clear that up. If I were however, your opinion is in fact something I do not agree with, so downvoting it would be justified.

Either way, I'm not sure we would have the full story, maybe Twisted Fate WAS impulsive and jumped the gun on something like this and it humbled him in a sense, maybe a Blessed curse idea.

I think you are looking at it in a sense that he was always some sort of mastermind when he might not have been.

Some reason I doubt this is about him.

Timeframe wouldn't make any sense.
Twisted Fate is NOT from Zaun if I remember correctly
No Retcon bashing (Yet)
Other various tid-bits of lore that wouldn't make sense.

I doubt it has anything to do with any champion at all to be honest. but the speculation is fun.

Karn BishopJun 19, 20152 votes

Fair enough on the downvote thing. Also in his current lore TF is shown off as a master mind, in fact he is/was in the middle of pulling off the long con which would affect everything in the world in some way if he was successful. he made alliances with many powerful groups n played the sides and even joined the league to continue his work on the ultimate con.

So i too agree that it cannot be TF, but you must remember this is riots current lore department were talking about here.

EeirailJun 19, 20151 votes

Agreed on that last part that's for sure.

The only thing I can say is that you are looking at the now and not how he MIGHT have been before he built himself into the sharp witted gambling man he is now.

bc123dontaeJun 20, 20151 votes

if i remember correctly the lore says he was always sharp witted

LordGeovanniJun 21, 20151 votes

in twisted fates current lore he was always lucky and highly gifted with cards his parents used it when he was young and he used it himself as he got older to hoard money in an attempt to try to buy what he wanted most. the ability to control magic. one time some one got mad at his partner graves and used twisted fates greatest desire to capture graves saying that he could be lured to the prison of zaun he would get a chance to be able to control magic. and for those like me who were slightly hazey on the details and to lazy to read it over again here is a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsneV8XKkho

LordGeovanniJun 21, 20151 votes

some gambleing people i like to chance things on occation but bs like that hell no. most of my country seems to like to gamble in the past 10 years but not much of them win that would be those type of bad impulsive gamblers who work and gamble it all away. not twisted fate who gamebles and seemingly does bounty hunter stuff with graves for a living obviously before the incident. this would be almost as bad how i just watched Danganronpa last week and Celis freaked out halfway through the classroom trial and gave up at the end and admitted but some how has the title of super duper high school gambler where is the poker face you dont admit nothing until the results are shown.

Big Bang BobJun 19, 20153 votes

The women was eaten up so fast, she barely got to scream, and she got chewed up too.

I don't think that's Evelynn .

Tesla EffectJun 19, 20152 votes

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The women was eaten up so fast, she barely got to scream, and she got chewed up too.

I don't think that's .

Yeah, Im pretty sure no big pieces of her survived....and Eve looks kinda intact.

lolipopevelynnJun 19, 20152 votes

if it is TF then it makes him look like a half wit who signs an agreement without even knowing what he will lose, and what con man/gambler would ever do that?

in his original lore tho he did exactly that... he had no idea what the consequences would be or what he would lose, if anything at all.

Twisted Fate was told that the wager for such participation might be steep. He might change forever, or nothing might happen, or he might die horribly.

you cant tell me that TF knew exactly what he would lose in his original lore. also, the guy in the vid didntn really gamble. he made a BARGAIN with someone. he agreed to help the river king get into, what he thought, were fine resteraunts/dinners. but the riverking wasnt straight with what he actually wanted to eat.

so again, the guy was told exactly the price. what tf fans seem so angry about is that he actually got conned in his youth rather than the other way around...

GenoXxJun 19, 20152 votes

the person he made a bargain with is explained in his lore. A Professor fro zaun, who conducted a experiment to give him magical powers.

willcarry4goldJun 19, 20151 votes

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the person he made a bargain with is explained in his lore. A Professor fro zaun, who conducted a experiment to give him magical powers.

yep. His name was Dr.Xavier Rath. wonder who that could be???

LavasiothJun 19, 20151 votes

Well since the old lore is no longer canon because riot threw it all out we will probably never know

GreenLoreJun 21, 20151 votes

Tf will however keep his rivalry with Graves,so TF selling Graves for something is going to stay and magical powers just make too much sense in that regard.

Also they don't retcon everything. Most of the pre-darius lore could be possibly changed,but that doesn't mean that it has to be changed.

GreenLoreJun 19, 20151 votes

If the gambler was Tf,then there is no way that the women was eve from before the Shadow isles,because that would mean that TF is older than the shadow isles,which wouldn't make sense considering the SI are pretty ancient and TF got his magical powers only a few years ago,he was a regular human before that.

So yeah it could be either TF or the bride could be from the shadow isles,but not both. Though that brings me to another theory: What if the wife was the daughter of the ruined king and her demise is what drove him over the edge?:p

Also the lore piece is meant to mainly establish the river king,not the other champions.

lolipopevelynnJun 20, 20151 votes

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If the gambler was Tf,then there is no way that the women was eve from before the Shadow isles,because that would mean that TF is older than the shadow isles,which wouldn't make sense considering the SI are pretty ancient and TF got his magical powers only a few years ago,he was a regular human before that.

So yeah it could be either TF or the bride could be from the shadow isles,but not both. Though that brings me to another theory: What if the wife was the daughter of the ruined king and her demise is what drove him over the edge?:p

Also the lore piece is meant to mainly establish the river king,not the other champions.

you need to keep in mine that ALL of the old lore has been retconned.

bc123dontaeJun 20, 20151 votes

is no one considering it could also be graves

Stars ShaperJun 20, 20151 votes

More likely. TF had already his lore full of "bad happenings" while we don't know much about Graves. Also is really unlikely that the "wife" is Evelynn because the River King left nothing of her since he ate her fully.

lolipopevelynnJun 20, 20151 votes

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More likely. TF had already his lore full of "bad happenings" while we don't know much about Graves. Also is really unlikely that the "wife" is Evelynn because the River King left nothing of her since he ate her fully.

the shadow isle doesnt care what happened to your original body or not. it can be restored in some form.

also, it should be noted that eve is very different from other shadow isle inhabitants who have the iconic green and ghostly glow. her VU will change that tho probably.

Stars ShaperJun 21, 20151 votes

The thing is that it's not like there are any remains of her (the bride's) body nor we know when it actually happened. The ship of TF and eve also is something fan-related and not canon, add to this that in TF lore there isn't a trace of a relationship.

Plus, the SI inhabitants are really different. The main characters (Morde, Thresh, Heca and Karthus) have spectral/undead appearance while Elise and Maokai have totally different features (Noc is a big "?" but since he should have been found in TTL he could be listed as a SI champion).

Evelynn is a standalone case, it has been hinted that she might be connected to the SI, most of players believe she might be Senna too.

CenturosJun 20, 20151 votes

I like the explanation somebody else thought up: It IS Eve, before the fall of the Shadow Isles, but the gambler is NOT TF. Eve was in a relationship with TF partly because she wanted to feel like she had her old life back, just a little.

LordGeovanniJun 21, 20151 votes

evelyn isnt even thought to be made into what she is looking at her lore