@Riot - Good Job! I love Varus' new lore!

Oleandervine··18 votes·1,247 views

I just thought that with all the hate coming at you folks from people who are homophobic and not happy with the incredible work you did with Varus' lore, you needed someone to tell you that it's amazing! I love it, and I like the diversity that you're adding to the game. Kai, Val, and Varus are a much more interesting character, and the comics and the music video are just crazy good! Great job to your team!

As a side note, did you guys draw inspiration from this from Garnet in Steven Universe?

36 Comments

redniwediS7 votes

There are some legitimate criticisms being thrown around too. Make sure you don't just sweep everything negative being said under the "homophobic" rug.

ItsMaybelline3 votes

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There are some legitimate criticisms being thrown around too. Make sure you don't just sweep everything negative being said under the "homophobic" rug.

Such as? I understand people being mad because their main is now gay, but League champs are hardly backstory intensive. Braum is just a strong guy with a shield. If someone changed him to being a Targonian Aspect, i doubt people would care.

ModWulf Helhammer2 votes

They completely remade Varus.

Oleandervine3 votes

They didn't. He's got the same story, except less cliche, and a helluva lot more interesting than "I must avenge my family with the dark weapon I have to guard."

ItsMaybelline3 votes

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They completely remade Varus.

Old Varus was kind of cliche, and more than a little simple. He shared a backstory with Caitlyn Kalista Lucian MissFortune Nautilus Renekton Riven Tryndamere Vayne Yasuo X champ suffered a tragedy. X champ now seeks Redemption/Revenge/To Right The World/REVENGE. Some of these are a bit different, but still follow the trend. I like that Riot is making each character unique and not just a ball of beliefs and values with a tragedy.

Oleandervine7 votes

They took a stale, cliche character and gave him depth and a much more realized lore than "I want revenge, so I use the naughty weapon to take revenge." Old Varus was flat and one dimensional. The new Varus is much more of a relatable creature.

ModWulf Helhammer5 votes

I mean they could've done most of the new stuff (Darkin transformation, multiple minds in one body) without completely changing the background

Oleandervine4 votes

They didn't change his background that much. And besides, as I've noted above, the old Varus was incredibly stale, and by cliche, I mean his lore was a tired, tired, tired old story that basically prefaced every JRPG known to man.

redniwediS7 votes

Didn't change it much? They took a man wracked with grief at the loss of his family and turned him into a demon that took over a rather unfortunate couple.

ItsMaybelline4 votes

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I mean they could've done most of the new stuff (Darkin transformation, multiple minds in one body) without completely changing the background

I like his new background. It could make some interesting dialogue and makes him much more interesting. I legitimately want these two bros to find a way to be together. The new lore is very interesting and it's way more likely for someone to get attached to this guy than old Varus.

redniwediS3 votes

I like how I ask you to not ignore every negative post, and you reply by giving your opinion on the new lore and stating it is simply better.

Nice one man.

ItsMaybelline5 votes

I love the lore too! Who cares if an archer likes the shaft a bit more? Good job Rito.

Valor Bot1 votes

This has to be the best pun ever made in the history of mankind

ItsMaybelline1 votes

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This has to be the best pun ever made in the history of mankind

I try. [slayer-jinx-catface]

JacctheInsomniac5 votes

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ItsMaybelline11 votes

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I'm not mad about them being homosexual, I'm mad because they erased Varus.

Wasn't he just an edgy revenge dude before? Tbh, we have a good amount of those already.

redniwediS4 votes

If you want to oversimplify things then we have at least 50 edgy champions.

The main thing is that Varus went from being the human hit by tragedy to a demon, and the human tragedy is now applied to other people. Varus isn't the one people are supposed to identify with anymore, it's some other minor characters.

ItsMaybelline4 votes

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If you want to oversimplify things then we have at least 50 edgy champions.

The main thing is that Varus went from being the human hit by tragedy to a demon, and the human tragedy is now applied to other people. Varus isn't the one people are supposed to identify with anymore, it's some other minor characters.

I enjoy the new tragedy more though. Bah! My wife is dead! Better go kill noxians! It sounds like it was written by a 15 year old. This one has some heart behind it and i feel for the dudes.

redniwediS2 votes

And the new story is just as bad if you oversimplify it. It's a story of two lovers as they fight back an evil power with nothing but their love for each other.

It's fine that you like the new one more, but don't insult the old one in the process. A story of a happy life being destroyed by war, and the lone survivor's quest for vengeance is far more enjoyable to me than a sappy love story.

ItsMaybelline3 votes

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And the new story is just as bad if you oversimplify it. It's a story of two lovers as they fight back an evil power with nothing but their love for each other.

It's fine that you like the new one more, but don't insult the old one in the process. A story of a happy life being destroyed by war, and the lone survivor's quest for vengeance is far more enjoyable to me than a sappy love story.

The new lore is better because its fresh. Gay relationships aren’t common in the history of storytelling. Three people being trapped in one body is unique. The struggle for control of a body is cool.

The old lore was a revenge quest because his family died and left varus with zero personality. He was just a revenge seeking guy. The only thing he had in terms of personality was his dead wife. New varus has three peoples worth of depth and is progressive. I think you’re goving a glorified fairy tale of a bio too much credit.

redniwediS1 votes

All you've said is "I like the new one better, and here is what I like about it and why the old lore was lame".

You're allowed to like it, and I'm not saying you're not, but turning the story others liked into an oversimplification in order to say the new one is "better" is just insulting. Stop that.

But if you really want to talk about people who lack personality, let's talk about gay guys 1 and 2.

ItsMaybelline2 votes

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All you've said is "I like the new one better, and here is what I like about it and why the old lore was lame".

You're allowed to like it, and I'm not saying you're not, but turning the story others liked into an oversimplification in order to say the new one is "better" is just insulting. Stop that.

But if you really want to talk about people who lack personality, let's talk about gay guys 1 and 2.

Yes, that's called Explaining. I say the old one was worse, give a reason, say the new one is better, give a reason, and this is how we have a debate/argument. Also the two new characters are bland but have infinitely more depth than revenge Varus from old lore.

Btw, how did i oversimplify the lore? I literally said what it was. If i wanted to oversimplify his already boring lore then i'd say he was just another guy after revenge. Dude, you're trying to hard to justify this. Old Varus was bland, boring, and cliche. New Varus is interesting, albeit not as deep as most characters in fiction but that's literally true of every single champ in League, and progressive. Relax dude, we're discussing an archer who doesn't wear pants.

redniwediS1 votes

You say the old lore was worse, I say you think the old lore is worse. You've ignored what I actually said in order to make an argument out of nothing.

I don't think you're as dense as you're pretending to be, so I'm just going to let you answer your own question there and leave this conversation before I actually feel the need to argue. I've explained myself well enough, so if you really don't get something just look over my posts again.

Oleandervine4 votes

They didn't erase him. He's still in essence the same character. An Ionian wracked by the Noxian invasion, who turns to a temple to attempt to save his loved ones, and ends up being mostly consumed by a monstrous entity. The only difference here is that he didn't know that this temple contained evil. He's still the same Varus, just modernized and more interesting.

Hupsis3 votes

In the new lore the combination of the darkin and the two guys is called Varus and in the old lore the dude who got corrupted was Varus. So I guess they are mourning the guy who was Varus.

I'm not actually sure if the darkin is called Varus or if the combination of the three souls (Valmar + Kai + the darkin) is called Varus.

KirotheImmortal2 votes

using " i like the new one cuz its gay" is just as bad as "i hate the new one because its gay"

its the same argument on both sides of the same coin. varus is no longer vegence. the lore broke that. varus is now just a mind fuck threesome. he has no reason to seek vegence. no family lost nothing.

If the guy stayed dead thats one thing but no.

Oleandervine3 votes

Varus is the Darkin, who is on a never ending quest for vengeance against humanity, which murdered the other Darkin and trapped those they didn't centuries ago. So Varus still is on a quest for revenge.

However, now Kai and Val, who's bodies he stole, mentally keep their body from cooperating with Varus, and thus make things difficult for the monster that seeks to eradicate humanity.

AcidTheWarlock2 votes

Yeah, I love it. Varus was always a favorite of mine with the old lore and I really liked the character. I think this new lore honestly is a lot more tragic and though I did really like the old lore, I always thought it was a little bit of a cliche.

Doesn't make the new one less cliched or anything, but I feel like it's very well made.

Nintendo 3DS2 votes

It's not about making a character less edgy, its about changing a whole character and turning it into something he isn't. Sure Varus new lore is cool and original and all, but it would have been better for NEW champs, instead of changing him as a whole. Varus was Varus because he was the way he was. And he was appreciated (or not) because of this. Its actually possible to give more dept to a character without changing completely everything. It just need some lore expension, honestly. They did it with Zaun and Piltover update and it worked pretty well. So why go for such a drastic change to a character that was more than set ? Next time, rewrite Katarina as a gogo-dancer from Shurima in love with Leona the sister of Jinx for the sake of diversity or i know what and call it a day.

SgtGenColKled2 votes

I think this mentality is exactly why Varus fans are upset. I haven't met a single fan of the old lore that is happy that it was replaced with this lore. And all the people that like the new lore never cared about Varus' old lore. So they literally alienated and upset all of Varus' old fans just to get a new group of people to like new character (characters?) for totally different reasons.

Quepha1 votes

According to DyQuill, Riot looks at lore changes as Pain vs. Gain, i.e. as long as more people like the change than dislike it, then it was a positive change. So if there are 138 champions in the game and they change Varus to appeal more to the fans of the other 137, then even if you completely devastate 100% of the fans of Varus it's really easy to still end up with a net positive if the other 99.28% of League players like the change just a little bit more.

It doesn't matter if you have a niche interest in one character because Riot wants everything to have broad, bland appeal.

KirotheImmortal1 votes

also how about this using the "homophobe"card. the first person i told the change to is gay. my best friend we play league alot. "Gross" was his reply.

Quepha1 votes

Good to know you’re dismissing criticism without reading it.

Flashbros1 votes

In all honesty, the new lore is extremely bland as well. A gay couple looking for shelter after (I don't remember which one) became injured, stumble upon an evil temple and as such get possessed by a demon who is out for vengeance. His old lore was cliche yes, but is still written better then that is. A man who lost his family had a duty to protect an evil weapon from the clutches of the enemy invaders. As a final attempt to protect his people during this war, he dawned the evil weapon to fight for his country and to seek revenge for those that took the lives of his family. Well. If you think the old lore was cliche and the new lore is written badly, why not fuse the two together and make it even better?

Instead it would be two male guards, long time lovers who were instructed to help defend a weapon sealed away and hidden from Ionia's enemies in a temple. That strategy would not work as, soon enough, a squad of Noxian soldiers stormed their way through killing and injuring those who were in their wake. Hearing the commotion outside (Kai or Val ) in an act of brave valor walk towards the doors as a first call to the disturbance only to have a blade thrust into their side by one of the savage warriors who had opened the temple doors. The Noxians fought their way in and while (Kai or Val's) lover was moments away from being dealt the final blow, more soldiers came in and others were outside still fighting. (Again Kai or Val) had only one option left as they were desperate to save the one closest to them and to protect his fellow countrymen. They toss their spear aside to dawn the evil weapon and with it, they kill the Noxian soldiers surrounding his boyfriend. He rushes to tend to his lovers wounds and as he does so, the devilish darkin that sleeps within the weapon awakens to it's new hosts. It takes each couple's form and combines them into one. It saves the soul of (Whoever was struck) but at the cost of their bodies, which was now controlled by the demon of agony that resided within the bow. As the pair watch the Darkin Varus slaughter those thought to be foe and friend, his actions would not quell the spirit of the couple. As Varus seeks revenge for those who have contained him, those he currently traps will fight him in this battle of control every step of the way.

That's a better lore. If you could get past the shitty writing n' grammar. It gives the characters a true purpose. A gay couple stumbling upon an evil temple and accidentally falling into the possesion of a Darkin serve no purpose. Varus the darkin has a motive but not the couple, they just wanna get out. That's boring, and bad writing. Stumbling upon something is boring writing too. Characters should have a drive, that way their personalities develop further as this drive becomes well known and it pushes them to go beyond their limitations all for the sake or purpose of something or other. Its what makes the character. I don't give a flying fuck if Varus is gay, straight, left, or right just make the story GOOD. Don't make it a flop, that focuses solely on the relationship of the couple, and doesn't give enough depth as to a purpose they'd have as a character. Even if it's a character of multiple minds and one body, they all should have varying personalities and their own drive. You can say that the soldiers drive is to save his lover, but what does that matter when their minds are all in one body?? "Oh let us out" Like wtf. Make them soldiers, make them out to be warriors and have them use their combined will to fight back the Darkin to regain control and help save their people! And if they're stuck that way well after the invasion at least they went out acting for the sake of their country and to save their lover from certain death at the hands of another soldier, not to be all sappy.

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