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Is Rewarding the Victorious Skins FAIR?

OhWanderer··1 votes·1,977 views

So just to get one thing straight at the beginning. I do believe that the devs HAVE ADMITTED that the ranking system is flawed correct? So if that is true and they are reworking it then how is it fair that you guys are "rewarding" people who "did well" ????? I personally would love to have a victorious Sivir skin, if that is what it is, but it is impossible for me to get it because from my start in ranked this season i have been condemned to "the bronze life." Now before you go " this guy is just another 12 year old complaining because he is shitty," even IF I I wasnt JESUS AT THE GAME when i started, because we always can improve, i now find myself competent enough to carry game that are normals with a few different champs, but not in ranked, with those same champs. Now some one tell me why? EVEN IF I GET MY FRIEND WHO HAS GOOD SYNERGY WITH ME TO PLAY WE CANT. i just think it is really unfair not to make the victorious skins available to me if i want them, especially since there are ones for people like Elise who don't have hardly any skins. Thanks for reading this devs, if you even do, Areakuma.

40 Comments

Environmentalist8 votes

I didn't read, at all. but I disagree. They're prizes for acheiving gold in ranked. If you can't hit gold, you don't get the skin. Simple.

Little Stick Man8 votes

There shouldn't be "participation" awards in league, if you want something exclusive you should work for it. Believe it or not, if you can't rank up, you don't deserve to because you're not ready. I'm bronze 1 and it's because I'm not good enough to climb higher yet. Simple as that.

redniwediS4 votes

Couldn't have said it better myself.

OhWanderer2 votes

they have admitted that the system is inaccurate and completely wrong, i can find a link but i have to dig for it, so how is it fair to say taht people not in gold dont deserve to actually be in it?

redniwediS6 votes

Fair =/= equal. What you're asking for is complete equality, when really the current system is fair.

Warui2 votes

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Fair =/= equal. What you're asking for is complete equality, when really the current system is fair.

Currently it's not completely "fair". While adding into the equation, the actual players' individual stats, team participation, etc., that would make it more equalized overall.

Individual stats + win / loss + match placement (mmr) + total participation + slight effectiveness of last seasons rank + misc statistical data rito wants to add into the pot.

That overall I'd say would be more effective as a judge as the player(s) skill level vs other people.

That being said, it would take quite a bit of statistical analytics to actually realize this kind of overview to judge someone.

Finally, they should give players suggestions based on the role the player(s) want to main or try playing in: streamers that main their role. sandbox mode (that will probably never happen)

-Warui

Little Stick Man3 votes

Because there are so many people in gold and beyond. It CAN be done. If so many people can do it, you can too. It might not be easy it might be almost fucking impossible, but that's just almost. If you aren't willing to ram your head against the ranks until you climb, then you're just not in it to win it.

OhWanderer1 votes

It isnt that simple. You cant "JUST DO IT!" most people who have gotten to gold were lucky enough not to lose 7 or 8 of their provisional in a row due to ... AFK'ers, FEEDERS, TROLLS, UNSKILLED PEOPLE LOSING TOWERS BEFORE 10 MINUTES, or whatever else may happen. Its just luck, this current system for placement doesnt grade YOU it is not YOU being tested, but how well every god forsaken pleeb does in YOUR placement, you have 0 control. Lastly, the fact gold is so large should prove the fact that everyone got there by luck because of how large it aparently is.

Little Stick Man1 votes

If that's how you feel, you shouldn't be playing team games. There is a chance, that every game you play, someone could just choose to feed or troll or leave. It's your job to keep their morale up and keep the team focused. I main support, so that's just my default mindset, but if you're "cursed" to always have someone else fucking up your games, the future of league isn't looking too bright for you. Learn to be inspiring, learn to motivate, learn how to play with 4 strangers. Also, you're not being graded for just YOU because it's not just YOU playing. If someone is feeding, it's in your own power to help them. If you choose not to or just fail, accept it, take a break, and queue up again. That's how you play THIS game.

z14GaKI7TO1 votes

you realize a lot of people in gold climbed form bronze and silver right? if your account is fresh you have to win 9 or 10 games in provisions to be placed in gold which most people dont do (i did but rip that account) just practice and learn how to get better and climb? like its not a hard formula. when i first started like you i thought i deserved higher, but looking back i realize i REALLY didnt.

Sukishoo1 votes

Not true at all. I went from Bronze III to Gold V last season (currently Silver III and climbing), so it is very possible if you try your hardest.

The Bearded Bard1 votes

Literally today I had a troll that intentionally fed 18 kills to the enemy draven, who in response first bought a sword of the occult, this troll was our ADC, a pretty key element to winning the game. Despite the troll, we pretty easily won the game because the rest of us were able to carry the trash. It's definitely possible.

OhWanderer1 votes

ya, "the rest of us were able to...."

But what if its just you, and MAYBE one other person, and every one else is bad?

Spicy Rice1 votes

I've done it several times. The trick is, you and your duo need to be playing champs that either have a high ability to kill people and get out, or have great objective controll. I.E., To carry games like that, my duo ususally plays either ekko or vayne, and ill play khazix or tryndamere.

sirjew1 votes

I hate afk's and feeders as much as the next guy but it is just as likely to happen on the other team as it is yours. Last I checked winning gets you points and losing losses you points, so if you are good enough to be In silver, gold, etc you will be

z14GaKI7TO4 votes

there is, you get that DANK bronze icon

Cenobite Azaziel4 votes

"but it is impossible for me to get it because from my start in ranked this season i have been condemned to "the bronze life." "

Season 4 I started silver IV. Ended at gold 1. This season got bad placement matches and got o silver IV. About a week after I wasn't already at silver I , jumping tiers. Now I'm plat V. (and my smurf is plat III. Lol.)

Ranked has some problems but technically speaking ina game were variables matter, you are the only constant in your games.

Learn how to play properly. CSing, map awareness, mastery and runes. You should probably drop riven and main Sion.

Deep Terror Nami3 votes

Other: It's fine as is. I'd even dare to say it's more than fair. Refer to the same thread posted the other day.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/Px7o0avA-why-do-you-give-gold-and-above-victorious-skins-but-not-the-rest-of-the-players?

Angry Monster2 votes

be careful using logic in bronze threads gets you down votes.

and i agree

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

Being me gets downvotes.

Warui1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=xbfNReqa,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2015-10-05T02:51:22.495+0000)

Being me gets downvotes.

Not relevant to the thread.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

My original comment is indeed relevant to the thread. My comment you replied to was relevant to the one I replied to. Troll someone else bud.

OhWanderer1 votes

he was talking to the person he quoted ...

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

Uh, ya he quoted me...

OhWanderer1 votes

ya, but he was talking about what he quoted is what i meant.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

Well it was obviously not directed at the thread but the comment it replied to. Maybe he's reading the thread in Chronological View and can't see what I replied to, but that's his problem not mine.

Warui1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=xbfNReqa,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-05T03:28:25.965+0000)

My original comment is indeed relevant to the thread. My comment you replied to was relevant to the one I replied to. Troll someone else bud.

Saying "Being me gets downvotes" has nothing to do with the original point of this thread. Because your statement does not pertain to the thread title, which is about the reward system as a whole. If you feel that your comment is necessary please comment elsewhere, due to the fact that your comment does nothing to further the discussion as a whole pertaining to this thread. Thank you.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

Um, so what? In what world are you not allowed to reply to comments in a thread and talk about the comment rather than the OP? Is this your first time participating in a forum?

Snake Pillar3 votes

In my opinion, gold is actually very fair to get the victorious skin. I've looked at your match history, and you aren't a terrible player, but you're just barely decent.

I know I'm not really high elo, (I'm only silver) but I'd be glad to at least help you become better. I'll give you a few pointers ^_^ From what I can see on your match history,

  1. Improve your CSing; CS is crucial. You're hitting the 100 CS mark at ~30 minutes. That's terrible. CS can help you get ahead when you're behind, and get even further ahead if you're winning. I'd say make 60 at 10 minutes your goal. Then gradually get it up to 85.

  2. I see you've been playing champions that require lots of mechanical skill, such as Riven and Kalista. I'd suggest against that especially in low elos if you want to rank up, but if you really like playing them, go ahead. It will just make ranking up harder.

  3. Fix your runes and mastery pages. Don't use a 30/0/0 page on Riven. You don't need that 1 mana regen per 5 seconds on your AP page, and what's with that single tier 2 quint on both of you rune pages? Lol. This is small, but it COULD help.

I haven't actually seen you play in game, so this is all I can see from what I have. (Up for a game sometime?) I believe if you just make small improvements, you will become a lot better. Even if you don't make it to gold this season and get the Sivir skin, perhaps you will be able to get next seasons victorious skin. Yeah, add me in game if you'd like.

~Juju

Leblancs Boob3 votes

The whole point of these skins is to show that you were "victorious," in that you've earned the skin by climbing up to Gold.

Spicay3 votes

OP is Bronze V.

Disregard thread.

Angry Monster2 votes

i have never seen a b5, correction a b3 or lower even come close to being good. If you are at those levels you are not good and you did not preform. Gold is not a crazy standard. Gold is not where you are good but decent at the game.

The fact you think luck is involved is the first problem you have.

#bronze5life

z14GaKI7TO2 votes

if you can't carry your games you're where you should be lol.

Yummy Sashimi1 votes

It is actually very easy to get to gold. I was plat in season 3 and lost all 10 of my placements because of the lag I had(300-400ping every game,and I was playing riven), and I ended up in silver 3,but i managed to climb back to plat in a week right after my internet was fixed. Responding to what you said about the ranking system. I don't think Riot ever said that the ranking system is inaccurate,maybe similar words but different manner. I can tell you the ranking system has flaws, it's not perfect, but it's certainly accurate. You can compare a challenger player with a diamond/below, you will see the difference. How come all the pros are in challenger but not bronze? Lastly, Gosu just did a 24 hour stream to diamond not long ago,so if you are good enough, you should be able to do it too.

Mirage Seraph1 votes

Why does the poll not suggest "keep it the same"?

At any rate, keep it the same. Gold really isn't that hard to reach if you're a Gold player skill wise. I got placed in Silver V a couple months ago and I hit gold last night after only 113 games, on my 69th win w/ urgot. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I understand Bronze is hard to get out of, thank the gods I wasn't placed in Bronze I like I was last time I did my placements.. (Season 3 I think? I don't do much ranked, blind for life) But if you deserve to be in Gold, and you PLAY like you belong in Gold, you'll reach Gold. You'll have bad games and you'll have good games. When you get right down to it, you'll have less bad games then the enemy team if you're a good teammate (law of numbers), so you will climb, albeit slowly. ... Unless you're simply Bronze in skill. Then just keep practicing and learning.

As for why Victorious skins are Gold+ only. Well, it's our reward, and perhaps some day your reward as well. Shame that a competitive game offers rewards for playing competitively, huh?

insaiyanbacca1 votes

its probably gonna be a lame vic skin this year anyway :/ but then again imo elise's is the only good vic skin and if i could chose to get that as a reward i would actually want gold. as for the current topic here no it should not be given out for "participating" and its been proven multiple times by people who are high elo with smurfs have proved that if your good enough to get out of bronze you can. granted the system isnt the greatest but its still decent enough to work well.

Mob Psycho 1001 votes

Let me just give you some tips as someone who has climbed from bronze to gold this season.

Work on your cs. In a lot of your games, I can see that you have very poor cs in long games. Your best was 219 in a 45 minute game. You need to work on getting an income early on.

Stop going TP+ignite/exhaust on every champ. It's only good on certain champs and definitely shouldnt be picked on those with low mobility and/or squishy champs.

It might be low Elo and Solo Q, but Meta is meta for a reason.

Just grind man, thats the best thing for you to do. I didnt make it to Gold until this season, and I started in Season 2.

The Bearded Bard1 votes

Absolutely not. The victorious skins have always been a reward for getting gold or higher at the end of the season, and it should always stay that way. There are a bunch of skins newer players can't get, and as an older player, I'd be kind of annoyed if they made them available. Those include any previous victorious skin, beta skins like King Rammus, and the season one Judgement Kayle. Those skins are rewards either for participating in the beta, season one, or getting gold or higher in ranked.

You can't buy everything.

Axests1 votes

Sorry but there's no excuse for you not getting the skin because you can't hit gold. Numerous high elo players can bring level 0 accounts to diamond in a month (and less). I placed in bronze 1 last season and hit gold 5 before the season was even have way done, having been my first season actually playing ranked. This season i placed in gold 5 and am currently plat 3, rarely playing ranked at all. You not being able to hit gold is because of YOU, nobody else, and the players who have hit it deserve the reward SPECIFICALLY FOR THOSE WHO DID IT.

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