Phoenix Swain VS Dragon Master Swain

I Main Swain··10 votes·6,466 views

There will be a vote at the end of this post, but before you vote because of an old favorite just think about the two and what they would be like in game (now personally I like Phoenix Swain more, but that doesn't mean I don't like Dragon Master)

Phoenix Swain. Imagine a swain wearing bright gold and red armor with a phoenix on his shoulder. His Q would just be a line of flame, not much you can do with that ability. His W indicator would be a pool of flames and the root would be phoenix talons rooting them to the ground. His E, naturally, would be a ball of fire, and its effect animation on the target would have them burning. His ult would have him transform into a phoenix, wreathed in a celestial halo of flame and shooting flames out at opponents. His voice would have a celestial, godly sound to it, like Syndra and Sona, only a sound resonating power wisdom and authority more than anything else. His death animation would have him and his bird explode in flames and burn into a pile of ash, with his respawn animation having him rise out of the ashes.

Dragon Master Swain. An old favorite. No need to explain the model visuals. I imagine the voice would be much like Phoenix Swain's, but with a touch of Shyvanna in dragon form. His Q would likely be the same as well. His W would use Dragon talons instead. E would be the same. Ult would have him transform into a dragon, likely with the same particle effects.

Overall, the two skins are very similar, almost the only difference is in the model.

15 Comments

Luckyghost913 votes

Dragon master in my opinion would look better. but the effects should change a little more.

Drakexionyx3 votes

Phoenixes are cool, but dragons are awesome. Dragons need more love in League and it's just the kind of bad ass thing that Swain, the guy who rose to power over Noxus, deserves. Plus there is so much potential for Smaug jokes it's not funny. XD

I Main Swain3 votes

Dragons need more love? errr, theres kinda a whole line of dragon slayer skins, not to mention dragon trainer lulu, dragonwing corki, shyvanna, etc. meanwhile theres only phoenix Quinn. and imo, a phoenix skin for swain would be pretty dang frikin awesome (while I think dragons are awesome I find phoenix's to be cooler. after all, they are immortal, basically gods, with incredible powers all just like dragons but if they die they just come back to life in the most awesome way you could possibly resurrect).

Drakexionyx2 votes

The dragon-slayer skins really have nothing remotely dragon about them except the name. If anything they are anti dragon and are the reason we need an actual flippin' dragon skin for someone. Dragonwing Corki is an Oriental themed skin, again, the name being reference to the Chinese new year symbology as opposed to a Dragon itself. It is mere a representation of a puppet representation of a dragon, not an actual dragon in game... You've no idea how much I wished it was Corki riding an actual Asiatic dragon when it was announced! And if you are including Shyvana as a counter for dragon skins, being a dragon-based champion, then you're a hypocrite forgetting to mention Anivia and all of her many assorted skins.

When it comes down to it, for Phoenixes proper in the game we have all of Anivia's skins, and Phoenix Quinn, for Dragons proper we have all of Syvana's Skins and maybe, MAYBE, (if you stretch it), Dragon Trainer Lulu. I'm going to give it to you and call them even.

Point is there is still not enough love for dragons out there, and neither is there for phoenixes. There is equal justification for either magical creature getting more love in League - I never said phoenixes didn't need more love. However, I feel that as Anivia is permanently a phoenix in form and Phoenix Quinn is a Phoenix when as Valor as opposed to Shyvana is only a dragon when she ults (comparable to Quinn's Valor ult, albeit with more skins) and Lulu's skin only has a tiny pix dragon floating around, that phoenixes are better represented.

Regardless, we are going to be split on this issue based upon our opinions, mine favouring the Dragon, yours the Phoenix. I would not be opposed to Swain getting both skins though, to resolve our conflict XD. An ideal resolution that would be, I think.

Blazemanexe1 votes

Phoenix Swain does sound like a pretty good idea. However, I still am partial to dragon master Swain

Lowel1 votes

Dragon master swain all the way !

Aratez Treaty1 votes

I am for Phoenix Swain. Swain is a champion with a bird, not a dragon, although dragon master Swain would be cool. The thing is, when dragon champions or skins do come out, if there are already 70 out there, it's that less valuable. I feel like dragons should be kept scarce for their value. Ao Shin may be coming out this year! Since the only other dragon being Shyvana (half-dragon), I guarantee people will be buying him within the first hour out. Dragons just aren't quite Swains lore.

I Main Swain1 votes

well honestly, even lore aside, the in game has much greater potential. not nearly as many cool visual perks you can add to a dragon skin as you can add to a phoenix skin

Aratez Treaty1 votes

Hey firedancer2000, check out Phoenix Azir

PoE00dpWDk1 votes

I got to say as bad ass as Dragon Master Swain would be Phoenix Swain is just sounds to epic. That aside there is already a lot of dragon skins out there and Phoenix Swain just fits seems to me to fit Swain's Theme so much better.

Agomoto1 votes

Phoenix swain all the way!!!!!! besides it stay consistent to his lore a bird as a companion, besides making sense with his kit decrepify being the one to correlate less but still with torment it make sense it has a dot effect (burning) and anything taken for the next 4 secs would hurt more since he is scorched, nevermore would be a flame circle which if you think about it it leaves you tramped, and a phoenix form would not only be epic with a sustained the constant aoe embers or even rays of light i think they have done so many of swain as a dark character it be a nice change to see him in a more benevolent light.

Lowel1 votes

Where's dragon master swain ?

WestTiger1 votes

Phoenix Swain would seem like the typical 'firey' skins that other champs get. Of course it'll look cool, and have the fire effect, but uh, maybe having adventured too much in the Firelands during the Cataclysm expac for WoW, I'm not that excited.

Dragonmaster is at this point, more of a meme than legit skin idea. It'll be cool, but honestly I didn't like the original design. It's too busy, and I still think it should have a headdress.

I'm actually leaning more towards that Dracula themed vampire bat skin someone else made on DeviantArt. It just looks much more interesting and different, plus makes the 'life sapping vampiric' thematic sense. It would be a great Harrowing skin.

GT500KR1 votes

Seems like we will nothing but a new useless fuck bag... can't believe they ruined Swain

I Main Swain1 votes

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Seems like we will nothing but a new useless fuck bag... can't believe they ruined Swain

first of all, youre literally 3 years late posting on this thread. second, new swain is awesome, the only actual complaints i have are that he no longer has a limp and his lore is poorly written

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