@Riot There needs to be an actual AP Juggernaut Item

Ergono··5 votes·1,227 views

Going through all the reworks and item changes I have noticed there is somewhat of a gap between AD items such as item 3748 and an AP counterpart. Generally you can take an AD item and find a comparable AP counterpart to a relative degree. item 3022 item 3116 even item 3031 >>item 3089 to some degree.

There just seems to be an opportunity to develop an AP counterpart to item 3074 item 3748 . An Item that gives health, has some form of AOE Passive and scales AP based on HP. Or Hp Scaling off AP something to that effect. For many AP based champs who fall within the Juggernaut category or at the very least can take advantage of those characteristics there seems to be a weird rift between how they itemize and how their kits interact.

Two of the purported four Jugs are heavily invested in AP Mordekaiser Skarner , and many other Juggernaut abilities in other champions actually take advantage of AP ratios. It seems a little off that these should just build item 3116 . item 3027 does have its perks, but it scales a tad bit out of line with many champions, another Tank based scaling item seems warranted.

Example Item: NightFall (Shadow Isle themed item like item 3046 ) ~3600 Gold 400HP 80AP 10% CDR

Passive: Increases AP by 1% of Max Health Passive: X + % of AP deals damage around target area. Active: When triggered for X seconds. Heal for 10% + X% for every X HP for all damage dealt.

7 Comments

Mister Sunglow1 votes

I have an idea for the build path of said item:

(item 1011) + (item 3145) + ("AP Tiamat counterpart" = item 1052 + item 3108 )

Wind Whistler1 votes

Who WOULD you consider an AP Juggernaut? The first thing that comes to my mind when I hear that is Chogath , and then after him Swain .

Ergono1 votes

Sion Mordekaiser Skarner Chogath potentially: Vladimir Zac APNasus

But to be honest I think actual AP Juggernauts isn't that many. But that doesn't mean other champs style can't adjust in a healthy manner.

I don't know if I would place Swain as an AP Juggernaut just given his kit. There really isn't a defensive element to it aka if he gets caught out that's pretty much it. Cho gath definitely could be considered though he's more of a tank because he doesn't really fit the bruiser archetype. I think the way to look at Juggernauts our champions that jump in battle and are able to modulate their bruiser/tank abilities.

Chogath comes to the battle with everything at the ready. If you look at Darius Garen Skarner Mordekaiser they have to rev up during battle, and then become difficult to deal with if they can maintain that pace.

I just think building item 3116 is almost forced for some champs like Mordekaiser and is only truly effective in a team environment. Mordekaiser has a hard time catching anyone with his abilities because the slow is reduced due to AOE and must rely on his team to take advantage of the slow and allow him to get in.

item 3027 does give nice stats but its build path is weak and 10 minutes for certain stats just don't fit many champions, especially mana-less champions.

There needs Item that allows these type of AP champs to stand on their own while benefiting their natural characteristics. There seems to be a gap between item 3116 and item 3027 .

Wind Whistler1 votes

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Sion Mordekaiser Skarner Chogath potentially: Vladimir Zac APNasus

Didn't think about Mordekaiser, he's a really good example, though. As for Sion and Skarner, they could have been considered that in the past, but after Sion's rework and Skarner's multiple reworks, their AP Ratios are either too low or gone completely to be considered an AP Juggernaut.

A Swarm of Koala1 votes

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Who WOULD you consider an AP Juggernaut? The first thing that comes to my mind when I hear that is Chogath , and then after him Swain .

Maokai? He's a damn good tank, but his AP ratios are actually pretty scary.

Wind Whistler1 votes

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Maokai? He's a damn good tank, but his AP ratios are actually pretty scary.

I actually considered Maokai, but his AP Ratios are a little bit below average. His Q and R have AP Ratios of 50%, his E a 60%, and his W 4% of max health for every 100 AP. Also, he has mobility in the form of Twisted Advance, so there's that.

Melοw1 votes

item 3152 item 3030 :)

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