PSA Mordekaiser 5.16- Stop Maxing E Bot Lane Max W- Numbers don't lie

Ergono·8/12/2015, 8:46:14 PM·9 votes·6,771 views

I know Mordekaiser new W is getting a lot of flack but It is actually more dangerous than his Q under the right conditions, which in Bot Lane are not very hard to set up.

But first let me break down why maxing R>>W>>Q>>E Is the way to go. Specifically, breaking down why E is pointless and actually detrimental. To keep it simple I will equip item 3116 as the only item, which in bot lane should be rushed. And I will put Mordekaiser at lvl 5. Level actually doesn't matter W out scales E regardless later on. With the right runes and masteries you can get 80 AP without a big time AP item ( 2 item 1052 ) level 5. So I use Rylai to drive the point home.

At lvl 6 Stats AD 61.5+25 = ~86.5 AP: 100

E: .6 AD & AP = 112 from his ratio + 95 lvl 3 = 207 damage for 48 health W: .6 AP = 60 from his AP ratio +220 = 280 x 2(both ppl proc damage) =560 W-Heal: .3AP = 30 + 90 = 120 * 2 = 240 this is also damage taken from enemy(s) Total W damage at W lvl3 = 800 over 4 sec or 200 per sec. NO HEALTH

So even if you activate W and activate the W execute after 1 sec that damage is still more than E with no health cost. With the right support you can lock an enemy early game in that for the four seconds (Leona ). With Rylai 40% slow they aren't escaping just think Volibear throwing them back or Blitzcrank knocking them up.

Maxing E is pointless and it actually slows Morde down considerably. At rank 5 you're dealing 72 damage to yourself. When soloing dragon you do more damage to yourself than it does and the shield you get back is negligible. Maxing W reduces your cool down and with the right runes and mastery you can get MAX CD of 8 seconds down to ~5, which means if W lasts the entire four seconds you can recast nearly instantly. With the extra point or two in Q you can easily take dragon with two items alone without dealing considerable damage to yourself.

Mordekaiser Vortex: item 3116 item 3151 item 3115 if you have the right support anyone or two or three champions caught in it are done. Nice damage a nice execute, Nice Heal, More Q damage that you can actually land, CDR, Less HP cost and a HP burning passive.

36 Comments

The Fast8/12/2015, 10:18:39 PM4 votes

I agree for the most part, but I see you are still trapped in the vortex of thinking of morde as a pure AP champ. I'm going to go out of my way and say that Trinity Force and Rylai's are both equally good and necessary on new morde, and that both W and Q are good first maxes, while E should be left at rank 1. E's damage is never negligible because of it's Total AD ratio, and the shield you gain back from it is constant, so it gains the least out of being maxed. However, I don't see, and I could be wrong, Mordekaiser being able to go AP or mostly AP without falling into the realm of more easily kited than intended. Trinity Force AND Rylai's provide morde all the damage and stickiness he needs. With Trinity and Rylai's a morde with 200AD and 100AP can do 2200 damage with all 3 Qs, which seems like more than enough, considering how the damage is split between 1000 physical damage, and 1200 magic damage. If you go AP, it becomes much easier to itemize against your damage, while it's still being harder for you to itemize penetration and damage and still be useful. All in all, I think Trinity Rylai's into tank will yield better results, but that E max is still the worst option.

Big Lincoln8/12/2015, 9:07:28 PM4 votes

cool

now i can flame my support for literally making me useless when they roam :^)

Matezoide8/12/2015, 9:04:10 PM1 votes

But if i max W i am even more useless by myself. What if the Support is roaming? How do i get the healing from my W if i will get poked while trying to get into the minions? What if my Support isnt throwing himself into the enemy ADC during trades?

Thats one of the rework's issues during laning: E is worthless, W only works if your Support is actually making use of it's power and Q is never going to hit.

Never considered Nashor's Tooth though, wonder how well that would go...

KONO RUBICK DA8/12/2015, 9:15:05 PM1 votes

why nashor tooth?

Ergono8/13/2015, 12:22:37 AM1 votes

Oh Yeah I forgot to mention. For people who keep talking about playing Morde and getting kited in lane when your support isn't there. Try and play some matches mid lane before the patch comes out. Like EZ mid. Stay Behind your minions be conservative on E. These matches right now are not hard. They will get a bit more difficult, but Morde no longer needs to try and push his lane. You need to learn how to freeze the lane with morde and use the tower as your back up.

  1. Hide Behind Minions or in some cases force your lane to make a choice harass you or minions by standing to the side. 2. Dodge skill shots that can hit multiple targets. 3. Conserve E. You'll notice you outscale a mid lane adc after 6 and your shield is hard for them to deal with.

Its probably also worth noting that you may want to invest in HP/Regen Seals and CDR Glphys and potentially Spell Vamp Quints this takes the edge off while you maintain your shield to piss the ADC off. And in bot lane this situation is temporary unlike mid lane.

Ergono8/13/2015, 3:04:53 AM1 votes

Just a quick update Pants are Dragon agrees with the W in the duo lane situations. He basically says the same things I have. I will say that Doran's is a NO-NO, and probably Q always before E. WHen you get in those situations where the support wants to pull you don't focus the ADC kill the support the ADC will back off they have no choice. I constantly see ppl going for the ADC they are going to kite and that's ok. There is a consequence of kiting. You leave your teammate alone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt5dqHgPBDM

redniwediS8/12/2015, 8:51:38 PM1 votes

It really depends on if you're going for AP Morde, AD Morde, or Hybrid Morde. AP can make great use of W, but for the others I still think E or Q are far better.

rG Thundrag8/13/2015, 4:49:50 AM1 votes

I actually realized this quite awhile ago as well http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/5e4LdT9E-so-ive-tried-my-hardest-to-get-the-new-morde-bot-thing-to-work-and-think-ive-got-it

Its near impossible to lose lane as morde unless your support is completely incompetent cause w does so much damage to minions and heals you forcing the enemy to farm under tower. Winning a game is different though since you're still team reliant to an extent but it basically gives him a free breeze for about 12 minutes.

I suggest item 3078 item 3742 item 3116 as his main core items

the reworked abyssal scepter is very good on him but theres no assurance it will release with him since its been on the PBE for months.

stuartk118/12/2015, 8:55:04 PM1 votes

Does maxing W increase the heal aswell? It certainly can help to weather the storm until you get a few items. Your E already has scaling on it, and the shield generation can be useful to block any poke you could receive. I've seen a few people building Phage on the PBE aswell, and it certainly seems like a good idea. Should you build it into Trinity Force or Black Cleaver?