New Ideas for AP Bruiser Items

Frosted Tips·Jan 31, 2019·9 votes·5,828 views

Deathfire Grasp (Melee Only)(Rework)

50 AP

500 HP

20% CDR

Active: Mark a target, lowering their MR by 10-30% over the next 5 seconds. Your next attack on them deals 10% of their max health over 5 seconds.

Cast range 350 units

Fiendish Codex + Kindlegen + Ruby Crystal + 700 gold = 3000 gold

1087.5+1300+532=2919.5 Stat Value

Gunther's Untattered Cloak (Melee Only)

50 AP

350 HP

40 Armor

Passive: After receiving damage before mitigation of 60% of your maximum health activate ________ gaining 20% tenacity, 20% haste, and 20% healing from abilities (reduced to 1/3 healing for AoE) and is active until out of combat for 3 seconds.

Blasting Wand + Ruby Crystal + Ruby Crystal + Cloth Armor + 850 gold = 2800 gold

1087.5+910+800=2797.5 Stat Value

I tried my best to make the items not broken on assassins, but the may still abuse them. What do you think?

19 Comments

RisenFromTheAshFeb 2, 20192 votes

I would change the active on the deathfire grasp from "deal 10% of the targets max health over the next 5 seconds and shred 10-30% of their magic resistance over the next 5 seconds capping at 3 seconds." Into this: "Mark a target, lowering their MR by 10-30% over the next 5 seconds. Your next attack on them deals 10% of their max health over 5 seconds."

This stops point and click damage. So they actually have to land an ability to kill you, nobody likes getting summoner 14 + item 3146 to insta die without the enemy even using their kit.

Frosted TipsFeb 2, 20191 votes

Actually I love that idea I'm going to change it.

KylerEzraStarFeb 1, 20191 votes

Not sure that first one's active is entirely necessary. Just kinda feels like item 3151 & item 3165 put into one, to me. And probably not as good as the duo, and far too overlapped with the duo.

What we really need is another Ap/armor item. Maybe one that has more of a defensive passive on it. So it's not entirely abusable by assassin's.

Frosted TipsFeb 1, 20193 votes

That combo offers no way to fight tanks though. The penetration is negligible and it offers no CDR which is super important. Mages also use both those items better than AP fighters.

Also the second item is a ap armor item.

KylerEzraStarFeb 1, 20191 votes

I kinda have to disagree with you on the first point. Which is fine. We're both entitled to our own opinions.

Sorry, that second item is totally going in the direction I'm talking. Haha. Got too hung up on the first one I guess.

Frosted TipsFeb 1, 20192 votes

I mean my first point is very accurate. Try building those on Diana, Sylas, Gragas, Elise, or any other AP fighter against anyone building 1 to 2 MR items and let me know how it works. It is not nearly enough penetration and no CDR is absolutely abysmal.

KylerEzraStarFeb 1, 20191 votes

I could pick apart that argument but I'm not going to. I'm going to respect that we have different opinions.

BoatwhistleFeb 2, 20191 votes

liandrys does percent max health damage that increases a lot if they are cc'd while Morello applies grievous wounds, add void staff to that and you're about as anti tank as AP gets.

Frosted TipsFeb 2, 20191 votes

For AP bruisers that takes up 3 item slots and offers no CDR, no armor, no magic resist, and very little health. That is not good enough. Yes for mages and assassins sure, but AP bruisers need other stats aswell.

BoatwhistleFeb 2, 20191 votes

I agree that AP bruisers need more items, in fact the entire AP section should have its variety doubled... its sad as is. Its just that you said the item combo doesn't offer anything against tanks, so I corrected you is all.

Chembaron YamadaFeb 1, 20191 votes

I don't completely understand how the MR shred of the first item works. Do you mean that it shreds 10% MR each second, capping at 3 seconds with 30% MR shred?

Frosted TipsFeb 1, 20191 votes

Yes and only lasting another 2 seconds after reaching the 30% at 3 seconds.

Chembaron YamadaFeb 1, 20191 votes

Ah, ok, so basically an AP version of Black Cleaver. I like it.

Frosted TipsFeb 1, 20191 votes

Yeah kind of an equivalent because AP bruisers need one.

Mr VoidlingFeb 1, 20191 votes

Pretty sure the 1st is just Mordekaiser steroids. Imagine his R paired with that baby. The item has all the stats he needs too.

Frosted TipsFeb 1, 20191 votes

I mean one he is an AP Bruiser so it should be perfect for him and 2 he is getting another rework supposedly this year.

Mr VoidlingFeb 1, 20191 votes

Yeah, let's hope it doesn't break him...

Frosted TipsFeb 1, 20191 votes

I mean he already accounts for around 25% of all the bugs in League. So could it get much worse.

Mr VoidlingFeb 1, 20191 votes

They could make him like a giant metal Zoe Yasuo Hybrid... I do think that'd be a little worse xD No more windwall blocking projectiles, he now steals them to shoot back later.