IDEA: HOW TO GIVE VAYNE COUNTERPLAY

HoldMyPlank·Jun 22, 2019·2 votes·1,099 views

A while back there was a thread about how Vayne lacks mechanical counterplay, so I put some thought into it.

During (R): Final Hour

Changed: (Q) Tumble Invisibility -Now when Vayne procs Silver Bolts she gives herself a charge to turn invisible.

Basically, every time Vayne wants to turn invis with Q, she needs to apply her W on an enemy champion.

E - Condemn Silver Bolts: This no longer applies silver bolts.

I feel like these changes will help make Vayne a more predictable champion, and allow windows of time for her to be vulnerable. This may not quench those who hate Vayne, but it is definitely a step in the right direction!

8 Comments

NELMAS IS BACKJun 22, 20193 votes

Nothings wrong with this champ.

Tahminatrix Jun 22, 20196 votes

Unless youre melee with no form of mobility and the only ranged cc you have is a slow.

NELMAS IS BACKJun 24, 20191 votes

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Unless youre melee with no form of mobility and the only ranged cc you have is a slow.

Literally applies to every ADC

MalignMetalJun 23, 20194 votes

Other than an obvious lack of Counter play. She denies you the option to Counter build so there SHOULD be obvious Counterplay. She's just a stat check as she is now.

MalignMetalJun 23, 20193 votes

Adding Counter play to Vayne. I'm sure her Mains wouldn't want that.

LovelleJun 24, 20192 votes

How about just remove her %max hp true damage? %Max hp damage alone is enough to kill tanky champions, why does it need to be true damage as well? Considering how much self-peel and kiting/chasing ability she has, why does she need that? The only option it leaves the opponent is to kill her instantly or die to her. If the opponent is melee and has limited to no mobility (as in a dash, not a MS boost) they pretty much don't get interact with her ever, especially once she completes 2 items.

I often see this champion win 1v1s in melee range against bruisers, not even kiting just auto-attacking after pressing R. I really wish Riot would either rework her Silver Bolts mechanic, or change itemization so she can't just rush cheap attack speed/on-hit and hit critical mass after 1-2 items.

HoldMyPlankJun 24, 20191 votes

Her damage type is her defining characteristic, and taking it away would probably offset her kit as a close-range ADC.

I think by limiting her ability to kite(turn invis) in this manner, she would still have her damage, but would be a vulnerable champion as long as she isnt throwing punches.

Example : Because she can't turn invis without proccing W on a champion, an assassin has a better chance at killing her without her instantly turning invisible.

LovelleJun 25, 20191 votes

That works too I guess. Either her self-peel or the way she deals damage should change, so this champion can actually feel somewhat fair to deal with.