Swain could use a Rework.

CHOPSTICKUHH·Nov 4, 2015·16 votes·1,622 views

I like swain but he just feels old and clunky tbh maybe it's just me. His ult must stay if reworked tho.

23 Comments

HupsisNov 4, 20156 votes

Agreed.

His ultimate could use a rework as well. Changing into a bird is ok, but having to slowly walk at your enemies when doing automatic damage is just plain boring. It could be so much more.

A total VU would also be nice. I can't imagine him being taken seriously with his current gown and colorful spell effects. He would be a great candidate for being the 'shadow mage'. Would also fit with the crow + Noxian leader themes.

Leonidas FreedomNov 4, 20156 votes

but don't you get it? the master tactician shows such tactical mastery by charging at his enemies and turning into a massive bird! don't you know how masterfully tactical that is?!

/sarcasm

KoboldNov 4, 20151 votes

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/CreedvTzeentch.png

Leonidas FreedomNov 4, 20151 votes

warhammer 40,000 is one of my most favorite series of all times. I love it!

KoboldNov 4, 20151 votes

Now I want a champion that can Teleport Allies to places across the map like Creed's ability in 40k

Leonidas FreedomNov 4, 20151 votes

Actually that'd be pretty cool, especially because - once again - Swain is supposed to be a master tactician

Silents429Nov 4, 201510 votes

To quote The Superb Villain

I think the intent is that Swain is an extremely competent commander, but on the Rift he has nothing to command. The situation represented in-game is that Swain is without his armies, his guard, a commander exposed, and even with his most powerful asset unavailable, he still kicks serious ass with his back against the wall.

Think of it like kicking in the door to Noxian High Command with the intent to assassinate the Master Tactician. Should be an easy job, right? After all, he's just a man well-learned in tactics and logistics. Then he transforms into a bird demon and the truth becomes terrifyingly apparent; Swain is not going down without a fight.

551202Nov 4, 20155 votes

He could use a visual update too, his model is too outdated

VoidbringersNov 5, 20154 votes

No. Just no.

He's perfectly fine the way he is. Plus, do you want him to become a bot lane adc? I didn't think so.

DeusVultNov 5, 20152 votes

I Agree

IMO, Swain is the primary DOT mage

Not Cassiopeia not

Swain is the DOT king

La BelloNov 4, 20153 votes

they should embrace him as a disabler who really has the advantage over melees.

Make Q slow attack speed as well. Get rid of crows on Ult and instead turn it into a health and armor sapping aura. Make his bird monster mode empower his right-clicks and add an effect that causes Swain to also apply single target spells to people around him. Give E better visuals so it really screams "HIT ME IM WEAK" when you use it on someone.

KING OF MASKSNov 4, 20155 votes

Fiddlesticks has crows. Swain has ravens.

THEY'RE DIFFERENT

KING OF MASKSNov 4, 20153 votes

NO! STOP. HE'S FINE.

Seriously, how many of you actually trust rito to pull off a decent Swain rework? It's a 50/50 chance, y'know; you either get Repertoir or Stashu. I'd rather Swain stay the way he is permanently than risk them fucking up one of my favorite champions.

Baron of BreadNov 5, 20152 votes

You can get CertainlyT on reworks as well ( Mordekaiser ).

While I think it would be difficult to screw up the in-game fantasy for Swain, I think I would rather he be left as is.

Axis the DragonNov 5, 20151 votes

Even CT's a 50/50 split (Morde vs the upcoming Caitlyn rework, which actually looks pretty good)

CyberDeath1337Nov 4, 20152 votes

Change Q and Ulti to be more tactfully used abilities.

Silents429Nov 4, 20152 votes

I don't think he needs anything to major, would be sweet if his ult made his basic attacks stronger, visually update him so his basic attack doesn't have that absurd wind up making it hard to CS with.

ModKnightsKemplarNov 5, 20152 votes

I honestly love his kit (Swain main reporting).

His visuals are outdated. What about his kit is so bad to you? I think it's awesome.

BuzzinTateNov 4, 20151 votes

He's literally my go to definition of cancer and broken, although that's my opinion I do believe he's in need of a complete overhaul.

My idea? change him into a turret based mage like heimerdinger but have it so the order he uses his spells affects his turrets and positioning. HES SUPPOSED TO BE TACTICAL ANYWAYS RIGHT .

ModKnightsKemplarNov 5, 20151 votes

They would never, ever consider changing his gameplay that much. They would just change his title if they felt it didn't fit well.

RisenDarkKnightNov 4, 20151 votes

Well I would say I love Swain the way he is, but since grievous wounds are gonna be everywhere soon, I guess he does need one so he's not so dependent on healing.