We can actually say that This is no longer Aatrox

Toxic Doku River·Apr 17, 2019·3 votes·1,393 views

10/10 Rework riot. Everything about old Aatrox has been officially removed. Can you change his name from Aatrox to something else?

22 Comments

The EcdysiastApr 17, 20195 votes

Hey, you know who has all the parts of old Aatrox that weren't unhealthy? Xin Zhao.

There was no way to make his over-reliance on his W into a balanced kit. So they changed it entirely because a functional version of his kit already exists.

Toxic Doku RiverApr 18, 20191 votes

yea imma play xin to revive, heal...

The EcdysiastApr 18, 20193 votes

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yea imma play xin to revive, heal...

Do you not know Xin's passive both damages and heals?

And he doesn't need the revive because his ultimate provides much better protection, while the AS boost is on his E so it's more reliable, and his knockup is targeted so it's also more reliable.

The only reason Aatrox was at top was because he was bad at jungle. An AA melee champion isn't supposed to be bad at jungle.

DuskDaUmbreonApr 18, 20194 votes

That's what happens when it's a completely unsalvageable kit.

When there is next to nothing healthy in a champion's kit, the kit needs to be scrapped and replaced with one that is healthy. It happens.

MankeyMadnessApr 18, 20192 votes

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That's what happens when it's a completely unsalvageable kit.

When there is next to nothing healthy in a champion's kit, the kit needs to be scrapped and replaced with one that is healthy. It happens.

What the fuck was wrong with his old E?!

DuskDaUmbreonApr 18, 20192 votes

Fair. He old E was at least a decent ability, if incredibly underwhelming. I completely forgot about the completely forgettable ability.

Toxic Doku RiverApr 18, 20191 votes

nothing was wrong with his q and e

DuskDaUmbreonApr 18, 20191 votes

Nothing was wrong with the shitty AoE dash that it was almost impossible to hit the knockup on?

Toxic Doku RiverApr 18, 20192 votes

oh so why is it that this aatrox we have has been nerfed into the fucking ground? also losing blood well to revive?

DuskDaUmbreonApr 18, 20191 votes

Maybe because he needed further tuning and work?

A rework doesn't instantly solve all problems a champion has. They still need further balancing and work afterwards.

Toxic Doku RiverApr 18, 20192 votes

well aatrox has had 2 reworks and nothing seems to work

Moody PApr 18, 20191 votes

boards will tell you an unhealthy kit had to be replaced but go silent when you point out that new Aatrox has had far more impact on game health in not even a year than the old one had for his entire existence

The EcdysiastApr 18, 20194 votes

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boards will tell you an unhealthy kit had to be replaced but go silent when you point out that new Aatrox has had far more impact on game health in not even a year than the old one had for his entire existence

Because being underpowered doesn't impact game health. The issue was that giving him any kind of buff at all pushed him into overpowered, like we saw with Conqueror's introduction suddenly making him strong enough to be played regularly by pros.

So no, actually what happened was that the month or two where he was allowed to have his old kit and Conqueror, he had a bigger impact on the game's health than his rework has had over an entire year.

DuskDaUmbreonApr 18, 20194 votes

I dream of a day where the boards can differentiate something being annoying, being unhealthy, and being too strong.

Moody PApr 18, 20191 votes

new aatrox was legitimately 100% pick or ban at his peak, old wasn't and was mostly benefiting from the circumstances of Conqueror and Rage blade being too strong.

no, he wasn't more impactful at all

The EcdysiastApr 18, 20193 votes

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new aatrox was legitimately 100% pick or ban at his peak, old wasn't and was mostly benefiting from the circumstances of Conqueror and Rage blade being too strong.

no, he wasn't more impactful at all

Not sure where you were at the time, but he sure as hell was.

Regardless, the fact of the matter is that being intentionally underpowered doesn't mean he was in a good spot. It was just because they knew any kind of buff on that un-balance-able kit would make him overpowered.

Moody PApr 18, 20191 votes

in reality land

Aatrox wasn't underpowered before season 8 made him ridiculous. In fact it was specifically stated in one of his rework dev talks that he was unpopular despite being fairly powerful and most of his few OTPs were doing quite well on him well after the mini rework had settled in.

The EcdysiastApr 18, 20193 votes

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in reality land

Aatrox wasn't underpowered before season 8 made him ridiculous. In fact it was specifically stated in one of his rework dev talks that he was unpopular despite being fairly powerful and most of his few OTPs were doing quite well on him well after the mini rework had settled in.

Which... doesn't... line up... with the facts...

Moody PApr 18, 20192 votes

The facts that you don't have because your entire argument here is based on your convenience?

I've actually talked to Aatrox players who managed diamond or better with him before his rework and before his sudden prominence. He had good performances at most levels of play relative to his small player pool. Arguably the perfect arrangement since his mains got to enjoy a solid champion and everybody else didn't bother them since they thought he was underpowered.

Tin ObliteratesApr 18, 20191 votes

Not being an asshole but the whole point of the rework was to get old Aatrox out of the game because they never liked him ever since release, why do you think they ignored him for as long as they did?

2DEMONIC2Apr 25, 20191 votes

yeah change his name and bring aatrox back but RITO small dick don't have any balls to do that because of aatrox getting OP like some champions out there

SentethApr 25, 20191 votes

I agree that Aatrox was unhealthy and needed a full VGU, but this new champion Notaatrox persevered absolutely nothing from him! Legit Aatrox has more in common with XinZhao and Olaf than Notaatrox.