Tethers

Gnar Is A Cat··6 votes·6,034 views

I think this topic has been mentioned before by quite a few people but I still think it would be a great thing to do.

Kled

Yes he's strong, he's quite tanky and hard to kill with Skarl and he does a decent amount of damage,

but his tether is one of the most balanced abilities in the game I'd say, looking at it from a tether perspective.

Think about it, find me a champion, who has a champion to enemy champion tether, who doesn't have some sort of mobility, speed boost. There's none

You may think well what about Morgana,

Her tether still counts because it has a slow and she has the ability to block crowd control so technically doing a comparison of movement speed: Morgana gets a 'movement speed boost'.

And anyway she usually walks towards you then hits zhonyas so you practically cant get out unless you flash or use another form of mobility.

There is no champion in the game, with a tether, that doesn't have some sort of ability to help them hold the tether.

Back to Kled and the idea of changing tethers: give every tether a reducing radius of break, (the point where the tether breaks) like Kled.

Too many times Leblanc has hit me with her tether yet I flash away and I'm still in range.

SHE HAS TWO WAYS TO GET CLOSER TO YOU YET IT STILL HAS A RIDICULOUS DISTANCE!!

You kidding me?

The result of a tether is ALWAYS hard cc. So why don't Karma, LeBlanc and Morgana have to work to hold the tether. They all have some form of mobility. Make them work for that reward because too many times they've hit me, I walk away (even flash away) and I'm still in it.

I would say if this change is too be implemented maybe increase Morgana and Karma's tether distances slightly to adjust for the change, but it would still make so much of a difference

Just

Change

It.

EDIT: Also I forgot Nocturne, that tether range is kind of ridiculous too

15 Comments

Monstermushmush5 votes

Kled, Morg, and Karma's tethers are balanced. LeBlanc's IS NOT.

Gnar Is A Cat1 votes

And honestly I can agree with you, however I still wish for this to be implemented to all tethers but considering that Karma and Morgana's are quite balanced, give some compensation for the change such as a slight boost to the initial radius. But just fix LeBlanc

Please

Imbetterthanmoe2 votes

when saying "I would say if this change is too be implemented maybe increase Morgana and Karma's tether distances slightly to adjust for the change, but it would still make so much of a difference" you do mean decrease right?

And yeh i totally agree with this. A champ like leblanc just has so much range on her tether that its impossible to get out of and if you flash she can just jump farther to you. Although i think morgana's is balanced because its her ult unlike how its a normal ability to other tether champs.

Gnar Is A Cat1 votes

I meant 'increase' as: to compensate for the reducing radius have the starting radius a little bit bigger

LordGeovanni2 votes

Leblac needs her tether fixed and Karma and morg needs the damage reduced. I dont she morg teather problems I see ones with karma and lebanc though when you cross the threshhold and you still get effected. Their thether points need to be slighty away from the middle point of the character on the opposite side of where leblac and karma is probally 50-75 units off center. Leblanc's is plain broken just to keep her as an easy assassin. Now Mobility spells in general need more downsides and down times which could help leblac if they ever fix her tether.

Imbetterthanmoe1 votes

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Leblac needs her tether fixed and Karma and morg needs the damage reduced. I dont she morg teather problems I see ones with karma and lebanc though when you cross the threshhold and you still get effected. Their thether points need to be slighty away from the middle point of the character on the opposite side of where leblac and karma is probally 50-75 units off center. Leblanc's is plain broken just to keep her as an easy assassin. Now Mobility spells in general need more downsides and down times which could help leblac if they ever fix her tether.

Its actually kinda funny since riot has yet to make a noticeable change to leblanc after seeing her in LCS. By changing her tether radius i would be the happiest man alive.

Its actually kind of interesting. I just looked up the actualy tether radius and ill post them here:

Morgana TETHER RADIUS: 1050 Leblanc TETHER RADIUS: 925 Karma TETHER RADIUS: 1000 Kled TETHER RADIUS: 800 (will also reduce over time)

This information comes from the LoL Wiki and the kled champion spotlight on the league of legends website. Not only are Lb and Karma's longer but they also do not reduce over time, and on top of that Leblanc is able to use another tether right after to chain the stun and will keep you in with her dashes. Not really sure if this information is very useful but i thought id put it out there

LordGeovanni2 votes

I dont really care about changing it but rather Fixing it so when im out of the indicated circle That im not still rooted. and more so that her E does too much damage for what her also getting a root and being able to rest it. Leblac needs changes to her W rather than her E to not be so safe.

jocomotion1 votes

Doesn’t Kled have two dashes too? Plus he’s melee, meaning that he wants to be in your face to get his tether off in the first place, he’s not going to use it to kite like the others. and his tether gets to deal arguably the most damage in exchange for actually getting it off.

Since Karma Morgana and Leblanc are squishy, and rely on keeping enemies passed arms length lowering their tether range would mean they would each need a compensation buff. Otherwise, the tethers they do have would be absolutely useless (minus maybe LB since it’s range is SO huge). This in turn would probably (knowing Riot) cause at least of the following buffs.

  • more damage if the tether actually does get through
  • Better CC
  • HUGE defensive buffs
  • More effective ways to stick into a target.
  • Lower cooldowns

And I doubt you or anyone would want that.

Gnar Is A Cat1 votes

Exactly, the point is Kled has a dash (two if he hits someone) meaning the reducing tether radius is compensated for. Also, remember that those tethers are not always for kiting or even at all. Probably 80-90% of a LeBlanc's tethers will be to cc you and keep you in range. I see your point when it comes to Morgana and Karma though. Also there is one change that you haven't mentioned which I would implement as a compensation buff for Morgana and Karma and that is a slight initial range buff but still have the ending radius smaller than the current version.

aezens1 votes

Just want to point out here Morgana Soul Shackles is:

1.) an Ultimate ability and 2.) has 3 seconds delay

Not really a fair comparison.

Gnar Is A Cat1 votes

But Morgana has a 3 second root (max rank) her tether slows the target[s] and she can become immune to crowd control allowing her to hold the tether easily like Karma with her movespeed bonus and slows on Q and LeBlanc's Distortion[s]

aezens1 votes

What I want to say is leblanc/karma etc can tether every ~10 sec (without cdr) while morgana has to wait about 1.5 min if you fail. That´s quite a difference in terms of balancing.

But if you really want to compare them in my opinion dash>movementspeed>slow/cc resistance (because it´s situational and not always needed). In some cases it might be different but for the majority i think this order is legit. 20% slow (keep in mind the calculation uses base not total movementspeed) is kinda meh especially because morgana has very low ms values. And hitting root is the optimal scenario true but the Binding is hard to land and mostly rely on your enemy to fuck up. There are alot of situations where you want to cast your ultimate first to ensure your Q hits because if not you loose alot of dps.

Fun fact: eventhough the wiki says otherwise Soul Shackles has the lowest tether range of those 3. You can test this in practice mode.

Gnar Is A Cat1 votes

Well if you're saying that Morgana's tether is still balanced (and I would agree with you) I don't think it would hurt to still implement the change but as for compensation increase the initial tether radius

aezens1 votes

How much would you want to reduce the final range then? Her true tether range is below Kled´s initial range already (about 650-675 units if caitlyn´s aa range on the wiki is correct).

https://imgur.com/a/zDAnBdz

Or do you suggest to increase the initial range and leave the trigger range untouched?

Gnar Is A Cat1 votes

Not by terribly much. If it were to be implemented I would never want it to be a huge change. Just something minor to 'spice it up'

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