Riot, please don't limit Marauder Ashe from its full potential.

LycopolisKing·2/3/2015, 6:00:30 PM·147 votes·26,425 views
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After seeing the explanation in this thread, I have to voice my concern about Marauder Ashe's place in her skin arsenal as well in the game as a whole. The skin fulfills a dark-themed Ashe skin in which she is not only battle ready, but she is looking for blood. It is a far cry from her usual, noble calling, as her armor and bow are wicked, and she has joined ranks with the Blood Hunter.

As far as her weaponry goes, the skin does not make thematic sense to continue to shoot blue arrows. It can be seen from the skin's images that the arrow in her hand and in her quiver are black. At the very least, she should be shooting black arrows, even as they are enchanted. The same cosmetic change was made for Sivir Sivir and Nautilus Nautilus , without affecting a change in price tier.

But I am not concerned about a price tier; I am concerned about the skin's strength and uniqueness in Ashe's collection. Ashe currently has (4) skins, excluding her base, that have no color change on her abilities, and they are scattered through price tiers and themes. At the moment, there are quite a few skins that the player can choose from when hoping to see Ashe's base particles, and Sherwood Forest Ashe nearly encroaches on this skin in terms of using a hunting theme without a change in her arrow colors. However, this should not be the case in the slightest: in this skin, Ashe is wearing full armor and seems to have made a drastic change in her ethos; and I feel the skin should fully reflect that. For that reason, I think, at the very least, a cosmetic change should be made to the color of the arrows that Ashe fires.

Recently, there have been several fantastic themes in terms of their thematic fits with champions and vastly different fantasies that they bring to life, such as El Tigre Braum Braum and Firecracker Jinx Jinx being skins that take the limits of their champions to new heights of imagination while remaining completely true to the champion's character. These new skins have been amazingly well done, and as dedicated Ashe player, I am thrilled to see her being chosen to be part of this new wave of deliberate skin themes. It pains me, however, to think that the theme is not seeing its fullest potential because of its pre-determined price tier. Players should have no problem obtaining a skin for Ashe that is not 975 - she has two 520 skins after Freljord became Legacy. I do not think that players will object to this skin's price tier: I think they will object to its missed opportunity when compared to other recent skins.

I, and most players will understand how this skin stands apart from Heartseeker Ashe and are not seeking for this skin to compete directly with it, as they fulfill two different fantasies - we just want the fantasy to be as strong as it possibly can be, and a simple weapon consistency would be a step in the right direction.

I for one, would love to see frosted black particles, as if Ashe has finally been corrupted by the Blackfrost that claimed Anivia as well. I would be more than willing to support voice processing to account for the helmet Ashe is wearing, but that is another conversation. ;)

In conclusion, I am thrilled to see Ashe get love in this skin, and I love the direction of the theme; as an Ashe player, I love this skin for its darker theme. However, I think a small change would make it a fantastic skin.

**TLDR: ** **Please consider applying a simple cosmetic change to Ashe's ability arrows for thematic consistency, such as black arrows to match the arrows in her hand and quiver, similar to the purple in Amethyst Ashe, to fully realize this skin's dark theme. Thank you for the Ashe love - please don't half-heart it. Ashe **

47 Comments

RiotRiot Sweet2/4/2015, 8:31:15 AM33 votes

Just wanted to hop in and say, even if this change doesn't go through this discussion was fantastic to read. You have some compelling points in your argument for pushing the particles, specifically the arrows, further.

I'm a huge fan of this skin as well. Always wondered what Ashe might look like as a 'bad guy'. Or in this case — a dark armored badass.

Phoneixflare2/3/2015, 8:48:48 PM16 votes

Yes. So much yes. Also... Maybe a slight buff as well? Pls.

Profirix2/4/2015, 2:36:03 AM10 votes

It looks like Ashe decided to specialize in smithing and has achieved the rank of "Daedric Smithing"

Ariaflux2/3/2015, 6:05:44 PM5 votes

Just wrote a reply to Katey stating the exact same thing.

I really hope this can go through.

Nagirah2/4/2015, 8:50:27 AM4 votes

Yes please! I was going to buy this skin, but the blue particles killed it for me. I'll rather pay a bit more for black/red evil looking arrows.

Zeddicus42/4/2015, 3:52:01 AM3 votes

I completely agree. I have been dying for a skin like this for her, and I am exstatic to finally get one but I am willing to pay more for at least a change in arrow colors. Leaving them blue is like a slap to the face of your own art work and effort. You put a lot of work into this and should at least do it the honor of completing it with proper color abilities.

FadingSanity2/4/2015, 1:44:35 AM3 votes

YES, PLEASE!

I was actually planning on buying it until I found out that none of the particles had changed. It's such a bummer because the skin looks so bad-ass. Please, Riot. I would gladly pay the 975RP, or even 1350 if that's what it takes to make it look like it should.

OblongOtter2/4/2015, 6:17:01 AM3 votes

Good idea, well written and explained, very civil. Have an upvote good sir.

Ser Garland2/4/2015, 5:12:41 PM3 votes

A lot of older skins suffer from similar problems. Such as Jarvan's blue and yellow banner being present in unthematic skins like his Dark Forge and Dragon Slayer skins, or Garen's yellow aura being present in his Dreadknight skin (which I thought Riot promised they would change to purple.)

Shyvana's Dark Flame skin got black particle effects, why can't these guys?

GaleWinUnleashed2/3/2015, 10:23:04 PM2 votes

Not even a different model on the arrow particles, just a simple color change. We don't need her to fire the exact arrow she's holding, we just don't want it to contrast so jarringly.

Dusksaur2/4/2015, 2:47:53 AM2 votes

give the frost queen some shine

LycopolisKing2/4/2015, 6:50:00 AM2 votes

I'm happy to see that the sentiment is shared. :) Hopefully Riot thinks similarly. I can't wait to have such a sweet Ashe skin in game.

rinsujo2/3/2015, 8:20:50 PM2 votes

Ooh, this is the first I've heard of this skin. Cool!

The Dominatrix2/5/2015, 3:55:19 PM2 votes

I agree with the arrow change this skin is definitely worth 975 or 1350 I have bought every ashe skin and only 1 or 2 have the arrows stay the same I would love to see the new arrows just cause it feels like a custom for ashe to have she is great as an adc even though I get flamed by team members and friends for picking her but I love her and the skin at its full potential would be amazing to see truly a skin worth for all time on my list

manlierthanyou2/4/2015, 12:40:07 AM2 votes

!!!! Black arrows (aa's) and enchanted somewhat blood-like burgundy-hued arrows would be cool. Although this upgrade would probably make it 975 tho.

YOLO420SWAGSCOPE2/3/2015, 8:14:49 PM2 votes

Take my upvote good Sir

ArcticSirius2/4/2015, 9:22:49 AM2 votes

Lovely points here

LycopolisKing2/5/2015, 3:14:55 AM1 votes

Hello again all, upon doing some more investigating, I've realized that two of Ashe's 520 skins, Sherwood Forest and Woad, have particles that are tinted green. These skins are both 520 and have this very slight particle change, which is the same sort of change we are seeking for Marauder Ashe: very small, yet more thematically consistent with the skin.

If the price tier is the main reason for a lack of particle change, there are two skins that are at a lower price tier that do include these same small particles.

The changes of particles on those skins is a fantastic example of a very slight change to the skin so that it fits better with the skin's theme. Please consider doing the same for Marauder Ashe. :)

EDIT: Another note on 750 Skins: Constable Trundle's Ice pillar was changed to a traffic cone. Certainly this change was more strenuous than a change in arrow color.

Kasumi AFK God2/4/2015, 1:10:39 AM1 votes

Yes, please yes! Though I was thinking blood red arrows would look way better.

Valkyie2/14/2015, 4:40:31 PM1 votes

I would buy Marauder Ashe for 1850 RP if it didn't have the bright blue arrows. Please don't ruin probably Ashe's coolest skin so far by half-assing it, I beg of you Riot.

Gunpoint2/4/2015, 1:22:00 AM1 votes

Would buy it, if they made this change. It's what keeps me from buying Sherwood Forest Ashe is the arrows are still ugly glowing blue.

TheSaltyScourge2/3/2015, 11:08:16 PM1 votes

Yes please. I like this skin but ashe particles look like ass. Can you also not make the rainbow crit bow retarded looking too.

SeaBop2/4/2015, 2:42:58 AM1 votes

How about we take Marauder Ashe out of the equation and put in Pool Party Zac... oh wait, that'll never happen.

Zac "My mother says I'm big for my age." I cry evry tiem item 3070

aaronconlin2/4/2015, 2:50:45 AM1 votes

Honestly I think all four of these skins (Marauder and Inquisitor) should be 975 RP with some updated particles, they're all amazing skins and shouldn't be limited

Ohnoitsalion4/19/2015, 6:12:44 AM1 votes

Also agree! Another small change that could be made is that this skin walks on her heels. You can especially see it in the 2nd and 3rd pics above. Something must have altered the angle of her ankle joints.

sukh on madiq1/13/2016, 10:43:50 AM1 votes

bump this... this is the only skin in the game that i have wanted to buy... but the arrows are so limiting...... :(((((

Roofeo2/4/2015, 7:17:14 PM1 votes

Never noticed this but Ashe is shooting her bow left handed in all of these pics...... I love her more now!

VuMpX2/4/2015, 8:37:14 PM1 votes

Hey. Thats so true. May i ask you to vote on my Post? The vote is about nautilus getting new particles and upping it one priceclass http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/HE0wsE5v-skin-feedback-inquisitor-nautilus