Silence in a kit

bleufromage·Jul 10, 2016·2 votes·616 views

Can we being back silence as a form of cc on an upcoming champ. With the plethora of dmg in the game now it makes sense to have a skill that can prevent some damage and get your job done as, ~~say a utility assassin~~ an anti assassin. There are so many rehashed abilities in the game whereas silence is a skill that has been virtually taken out of the game. Back in season 3 there was less damage and games lasted longer. Now your dead in a second. Why not bring back a skill (on an appropriate kit) that can help with this. Jax is allowed to dodge autos and cho is still allowed to aoe silence so blocking incoming damage has a precedent.

12 Comments

FloRaider42Jul 10, 20161 votes

The problem is that silence is kinda unfun, you do little and the enemy can't use his spells which may (AP) or may not (AD) be that problematic.

bleufromageJul 10, 20161 votes

So when jax is using his e do you just stand there and attack him? do you try and shoot projectiles through yasou's wind wall.when Cho, garen, or fiddle silences you do you stand still and mash your keyboard? It's a form of cc your not supposed to be having fun while cced you play around its cd and run while they use it on you.

FloRaider42Jul 10, 20161 votes

Cho, Fiddle, Malz and Garen's silence are for chasing (or rather keeping enemies from dashing away) all of those champions take time to deal their damage or have a hard time getting close.

Other kits might work, but your suggestion of having an utility assassin with a silence ability would have no real counterplay.

bleufromageJul 10, 20161 votes

Okay so maybe not an assassin maybe an anti assassin that is not a tank

FloRaider42Jul 10, 20161 votes

The problem is that we have not that many options for silence: (especially if you don't want to overlapp with other champions) Tank/Fighter: Chogath Garen Mage: Malzahar Fiddlesticks Support: Blitzcrank (almost forgot bc had silence) Soraka Assassin: As discussed shouldn't have Silence at all. Marksmen: Don't really benefit that much from silence, but other forms of CC for kiting.

NotSpecialDudeJul 10, 20161 votes

I think the better way to put it is that silence needs to come at a high cost.

Cho/garen's silence is short range with the latter being right in your face. These champs also have strong ults that are about the same range with very little they can do outside of it.

Fiddle/ malz silence is used to bully and set up. The damage that they do is minimum, but with it they can land a more powerful move uninterrupted.

Silence isn't the worst cc, but it should also be noted that all the champs that had silenced removed had a few things in common. things that the current champs with silence don't have. Mobility.

Leblonc, Kass and Talon had high mobility in addition to their silence which allowed them to burst down opponents with no opposition or punishment. If they land their silence they could burst you and jump out with no risk to their health.

All the champs that have silence in their kit currently risk something when they try to exploit the weakness their silence brings. Garen/cho has to be in melee range. Fiddle is squishy and outside of his fear and silence can be quickly bursted down so for him to act on his silence is risky. Malz silence is the safest of the bunch, but can be dodged as it is a skillshot. Even jax (Which I might add does not have a silencet he has a dodge) is very short range with his stun and it has a long cooldown. If he uses his jump and stun and the fight goes south he has nothing to really save him.

My point is that riot doesn't want silence (or any kind of damage immunity ability) to be unconquerable. If they have an ability of this nature, they have to trade either their engage or escape; both of which are vital for assassins.

bleufromageJul 10, 20161 votes

Yeah but I'm not asking to have a silence put on an existing champion or a high mobility champion. I am aware of the reasons why it has been taken off some champions (lack of counterplay to sum it up) but there is no reason we can't have a champion who excels at shutting down burst. A tank can only hope a burst assassin will waste thier skills on the tank. If a champion was designed with a silence as a means to prevent getting bursted I think that would be cool. I'm not saying they should be able to silence and then one shot you right after. I'm saying thier niche should be preventing burst from happening to keep them or thier team mates alive from an all in. It's about strategy and skill which is what a champion should have.

EndlessSorcererJul 10, 20161 votes

They specifically and intentionally removed silences from mobile, high-burst champions such as Leblanc, Kassadin and Talon (though Talon's mobility is on the low end) since it removed counterplay against their assassination and trades.

They aren't just going to add it back onto another assassin after that.

bleufromageJul 10, 20161 votes

I said it would have to be an appropriate kit

ArakadiaJul 10, 20161 votes

Utility assassins become tank assassins because they still get CC for building full tank.

Silences are ok on some champs. On assassins who already have enough counterplay issues it closes most counterplay.

bleufromageJul 10, 20161 votes

Okay will everyone stop being narrow minded if I remove that one word "assassin" I clearly wasn't thinking 100% when I threw that one word in my post my point is I'd like to see silence utilized in a new way on a new champ to prevent burst dmg. To to make all other champs useless so you can in turn burst them down.

3tysonJul 10, 20161 votes

assassins r supose to take out the adc if you give them a silence they are really not going to be that scarry to the adc they wil probertly be good for taking out the apc

so putting a silence on an assassin is kind of weird right