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An update for summoner spells please? Please Riot.... PLEASE..... with a cherry on top?

bleufromage··30 votes·2,230 views

This is an appeal to riot to give a little love to summoner spells this season. First of all, with some of the summoners removed there is more room for new spells that can create new ways to play. Right now you see the same spells in every game Flash, Heal, Teleport, Ignite, and Exhaust (ghost is reserved for a select few champs, looking at you hec) And only pros use cleanse (okay not just pros but you get my point) which is very situational also.

Which leads into my next point. Can we buff the underused spells? Since heal was buffed it is the exclusive defensive option. It heals you, it heals your friends, and it gives a speed boost! Why would i pick barrier for just a bit more blockage (sure its a word). I feel a cool idea for barrier would be it blocks projectiles for the duration of the spell, kinda like a Braum shield. Since we have removed sightwards why not buff clairvoyance with a shorter CD so people will actually use this spell. Maybe an alternative to smite would be cool too since you are forced to take smite right now as a jungler.

So please can we add strategic diversity to summoners spells. As it sits you have few options: I want to blink- I need flash I want kill pressure- I need ignite. I want map pressure- take tp. I am support- I need exhaust. I run fast- need ghost. I party in bot lane- need heal.Im against malz- Annie-Cleanse.

So if everyone else is tired of seeing these summoner 4 summoner 14 summoner 7 summoner 3 every single game please upvote this to get riots attention.

45 Comments

Illâoi Evê Siôn8 votes

I don't think Cleanse works against Malzahar, only Qss should.

HayRoss6 votes

Gangplank Olaf Filthy crowd controlled plebs

INoble KnightI4 votes

Alistar Forgot one

Saianna1 votes

Kalista 's R?

B1naryB0t3 votes

And oranges. Oranges will make ANYTHING k.

Illâoi Evê Siôn1 votes

Especially if you play him AP. But I meant in regards to ubiquitous means of countering it :D

B1naryB0t2 votes

I still wish Mikaels would cleanse it, cause that promotes teamwork.

Illâoi Evê Siôn1 votes

The four characters with suppressions might not be healthy and have a tendency to break the game with new toys (Warwick) because of that fact, but they are underplayed and lack the stability of their peers. If Mikael's cleansed suppressions it would allow Supports to effectively deny these character half of their kit's power budget. Tanks could buy it, too, and Qss was recently buffed ...

There are only four suppressions. Maybe buy another item with a shield or heal, or play Tahm, or stun the suppressor. These all also support teamwork :D

B1naryB0t1 votes

Kench is also a suppression champion, his devour is suppression (although uncleansable because champs are also untargetable). Anyways, that is part of the support's job, to have utility and reduce the impact of the enemy. Mikaels is a relatively pricey item with a 3 minute cooldown, which is a much larger window than suppression cooldowns (all of them at rank 1 have a CD of 2 minutes on their suppression except for Kench, which would be uncleansable) and offers very few tank stats other than Chalice's MR.

And besides, the champs with suppression still have other tools and if they counterplay was to have mikaels, the response could very easily be to chain another piece of CC or just back off and take advantage of the window of cooldown the suppression has over the Mikaels.

Illâoi Evê Siôn1 votes

I didn't even think of Kench (the monster), sorry :D You're absolutely right about him.

Spoofghoul4 votes

Lol i like your barrier buff

Its genius

HaiLnKill4 votes

Bring back revive item 3070

HamerDrunk2 votes

well i do agree with you on the most part but smite is diversity enough in my eyes cause you can transform it into a couple of spells using the jungle item so i don't really see a need for a second jungle spell

bleufromage1 votes

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well i do agree with you on the most part but smite is diversity enough in my eyes cause you can transform it into a couple of spells using the jungle item so i don't really see a need for a second jungle spell

Agreed but the problem is you are stuck with smite as a junlgler if you want to build hunters machete for early clear, if you dont take smite its impossible to clear jungle. What if i want to jungle but i dont want to waste summoner slot on smite?

HighH15 votes

who the fuck jungles without smite, do you want to be flamed by your team because you don't have that nuke for baron/drag because that's how you get flamed for not having that nuke for baron/drag

Dragonlord71372 votes

I think his point is that you can't jungle without smite right now and that you would be called an idiot if you tried.

HighH11 votes

I'm not a veteran but was there ever a time where you could have jungled without smite?

RisenDarkKnight1 votes

Yeah back in season 1 and 2 the jungle was really easy and there were only 5 camps (no scuttle crabs or gromp). Almost any champ could clear the jungle pretty easily without needing smite. Smite was still important for dragon/baron, but if you were like below level 30 people didn't always take smite when they jungled. Ranked players still always took smite for securing objectives.

The jungle camps did waaaay less damage back then, were easier to kill, and their were no jungle items.

bleufromage1 votes

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I'm not a veteran but was there ever a time where you could have jungled without smite?

Well it was back in my noob days but I used to jungle without smite on certain champs. Fiddle can clear without smite well Cho has his feast which is as good as smite Udry does not _need smite and if you have a kalista on your team it would be cool to use another strategy spell because you have a reliable nuke to secure objectives.

Zero Skill Tank3 votes

Back than when you could jungle without smite you were still called an idiot if you tried because

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you don't have that nuke for baron/drag

bleufromage1 votes

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Back than when you could jungle without smite you were still called an idiot if you tried because

This also feeds into my point why does the junlger have to have a spell that focusing on securing jungle objectives. What if there was a spell that helped junglers gank better so you can focus on that as your strategy for winning (over say 5 drags/ baron). Or a spell that helps secure turrets faster. These would add strategy to junglers rather than having a one dimensional spell that is good for 1v1ing those horribly op jungle creeps- looking at you gromp. And I think its worth mentioning that you can still secure objectives without smite and even in pro play smites are missed more than people realize.

Zero Skill Tank1 votes

If you don't have smite on team you are losing tons of tons of pressure on drake and nash, i.e. you take dragon as 3 man, but single enemy jungler still has pretty high chance of stealing it from you while other enemies are free to push your towers. With no smite you can take a drake in a win more situation when enemies are already dead - what is currently not worth it at all - but you are basically in no position to contest it.

bleufromage1 votes

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who the fuck jungles without smite, do you want to be flamed by your team because you don't have that nuke for baron/drag because that's how you get flamed for not having that nuke for baron/drag

See its this mentality (and the others posting that are flat out flaming smitless jungle) that stagnate growth and diversity. Just saying that smite is essiental proves the point that there is no diversity in the jungle (spell wise). How about a spell that marks a jungle camp and if it is killed within 5 sec then the buff is stored for later use but its duration is halved(whether you are the killer or not). See there is an element of strategy. Not a, who can win a 50/50 smite war (which boils down to luck a majority of the time). With this spell it would be possible to see two teams with baron at the same time! Or if you really need that blue buff but so does your mage (now you can both have it. Im not saying this is a good spell idea but I feel like there can be other options that are as viable as a nuke if we allow for creativity. But some people a gotta be narrow minded....

HamerDrunk1 votes

well then you would give up loads of pressure on baron and on drake and thats not what you want as a jungler smite is mandatoryand meant to be not even for the early game clear but end game buff control if you don't want to take smite don't take jungle

KaisadiIIa2 votes

Im against malz- cleanse.

Then you realize it can't remove Malz's R.

fisox1 votes

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KaisadiIIa2 votes

Cool, now we have assassins (and probably some mages) double-comboing you. Why would you pick ignite to deal 200 damage over 5 seconds if you can just double your whole combo's damage?

fisox1 votes

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Or you can add 15sec CD reset (all skills, or less CD) spell imagine it with kata or other burst champs.

you can make it 400 or 350 sec CD. or this wont work on ults, etc etc... just the cd idea.

Ageless Nocturne1 votes

summoner 21

MargaretThatcher1 votes

Some changes to barrier or cleanse (no need to use all,just some ideas that i had) (or maybe they could mix both summoners in one)

-When you cast this spell cleanses the CC and the incoming CC for the next 0,5 sec.(this helps to dont fuck up with such speels like malph ult,i really didnt care if it had the flash cd if it had the 0,5 sec,also gives a window to the enemy team to bait the spell)

-When you cast this spell you become inmune to damage for 0,5-1 sec based on champion level.High risk high outplay spell, not useful in long battles/against dps champs. (outplaying assasins with a great timed spell, for example leblanc,gives a window to bait spell)

-When you cast this spell creates a little wave that knockbacks (not like yasuo one) very near enemies.Enemies are slowed/hitting them gives you movespeed.(kiting power and a little bit of self peel,but 0 stats combat,useful against rengar,garen,etc)

ZephyrDrake1 votes

Cleanse is a situational spell, you won't be seeing it often due to it being used against very specific types of teamcomps, although making it as useful as QSS would be a nice buff to it and Barrier died when Heal became not terrible. When barrier gives something other than just a shield it might get some more use but as of now? there's no reason to pick it over Heal

Dragonlord71371 votes

Maybe they could reintroduce stifle but without the buff removal and a shorter silence. Also what happened to rally and surge?

KaisadiIIa1 votes

Stifle was reworked into Exhaust for a reason. The only way to have Stifle without breaking the game is to make it useless.

LF Annie1 votes

as a support main, i take summoner 14 if there are no enemy assassins.

also, i feel summoner 21 would be awesome if it made trrts more helpful, and became the anti-dive defensive spell

forresto1 votes

I think barrier needs a bonus effect the way heal got one. The move speed buff on heal removes any real question of which spell to take between the 2, especially since they do basically the same thing otherwise.

Pale Pirate1 votes

No worries, they said that the success (or not) of the new mastery system will help them decide how to deal with other systems. (runes, summoner spells)

The masteries system didn't START ideally, but it can improve a lot.

Keevalroy1 votes

We could update spells. or we could return spells...like Revive? I'd like to actually enjoy playing Karthus again before he's nerfed again for no reason.

Kieferr1 votes

The way the game is played now, I just cannot see riot adding or changing spells significantly. So what if you see them every game? What's your point? There are people who have been begging for "bot-lane diversity" for ages, and they got what they wanted in Mordekaiser. Look how that turned out. They added keystones to make each champion feel more unique, and now tell me how many people have you seen come on the boards to bitch and whine about them?

Nobody likes change. We simply cannot add more summoner spells without them being too gimmicky/niche and not completely screw your team over strategically.

Annie "Durrrrr look at me I'm running {{summoner:2}} summoner 1 I'm bringing soooooo much diversity to my team hurrrrrrrr durrrrrrrr I can contribute so much strategic diversitee hurrrrrdurrrrrr"

ComannderShepard1 votes

I like your barrier idea.

Side note: cant cleanse malz ult #themoreyouknow

bleufromage1 votes

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I like your barrier idea.

Side note: cant cleanse malz ult #themoreyouknow

LOL Sorry my bad shows how much I see malz I just thought of the first champ I could with a massive lockdown. I thought cleanse worked but the dmg was still delt. Is this how qss works? Does it work on his e?

ComannderShepard1 votes

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LOL Sorry my bad shows how much I see malz I just thought of the first champ I could with a massive lockdown. I thought cleanse worked but the dmg was still delt. Is this how qss works? Does it work on his e?

Cleanse I think does remove the E because it's a debuff. As far as I know QSS and abilities that break CC (GP Oranges and Alistar's Ultimate) break the suppression but the damage is still dealth accordingly

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

i take ghost. but only with few champions. singed. actually just singed. and teemo. but i also take flash. but the rest are useless outside the ones you mentioned.

MrGems1 votes

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/1/13/Revive.png/revision/latest?cb=20131212215408

Never Forget item 3070

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upkYQqbrjSc

Dengeden1 votes

You can use Flash in the most diverse fashions, making it, ironically, the most used summoner spell. I wouldn't mind increasing the CD it has, since it's largely an escape tool and the other summoner is used as back up (in those scenarios).

The same thing goes for smite. There are so many things you can do with it, that its total dominance in the jungle is justified.

That Barrier suggestion is interesting but I fear some (of the hated) champions will use it offensively (it'll block tower shots, for one). Ghost is too telegraphed to have a large user base. Use it in with vision on you and the enemy will simply run away (usually successfully).

Akenero1 votes

Or add new summoner spells

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