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The League needs another archer.

Zahtar·6/5/2019, 12:56:43 AM·11 votes·8,686 views

Champions wielding a bow are :

  • Ashe : nature related scout & tracker
  • Varus : long range precision sniper
  • Kindred : agile hunter with pet

+Among these, Varus & Kindred have sort of magical arrows (that's not the point, but still) I’m not including Twitch, Vayne & Quinn who wield crossbows (that said, unlike the 2 others, Quinn is a ranger)

In comparison, 8 champions use a gun (Graves, Caitlyn, Corki, Jhin, Jinx, Lucian, MF, Tristana. I’m not including GP, Jayce & Urgot)


Now where is the archer I’ve always wanted to play ? I’m 100% sure Riot would nail the archetype. I’m talking about the rogue archer, the agile and discrete one (Somehow no ranger is related to stealth in LoL, idk why)

Edit2 (quoting myself for precision) : The champion I want approaches its prey with catlike stealth and choses the best option to execute them, from a distance.

I’m talking about this dude (from the TESO cinematic), https://i.pinimg.com/originals/17/4f/3d/174f3d26959baae665cd6ccefef1d6b9.jpg

or this dude (from Thief) https://i.neoseeker.com/ca/thief_4_conceptart_cmCmD.jpg

It can also be a dudess obviously.

Am I delusional or what ? Please tell me

Edit : To be clear, I'm talking specifically about the traditional ranger archetype mixed with the rogue one In terms of archetype, Vayne is closer to Lucian imo = demon hunters Twitch is more of an ambush frenetic shooter

73 Comments

Jamaree6/5/2019, 12:59:24 AM6 votes

Cries in Vayne

LadyAlbaKurosaki6/5/2019, 7:10:10 AM3 votes

This made me want to play with my archer in black desert online and I d9nt even lile that game that much [zombie-nunu-bummed]

I guess that is a cool concept but it would have to be a ranged assassin. Sounds broken. Now that I think about it I wanna play teemo in the jungle [sg-jinx]

ChaosReyn6/5/2019, 11:36:50 PM2 votes

See, there's a few things not even covered in this...but where does your ranger fit in best?

You say you want them to be the kind of ranger from Thief...but Thief wasn't really a ranger thing. That was definitely much more a rogue.

When I think "Traditional Ranger", I go to the Forgotten Realms books (someone who lives their best life on the open trail, generally friendly with animals and only a few people, has a great deal of knowledge about traps, tracking, and outmaneuvering their hunters or prey) The absolute closest we have to that is probably Quinn. The only thing she doesn't really exhibit is trapping, but considering her actual role, she herself is the trap...ambush...screw it I'm already in deep for that one. :P

If you're looking for an Archer Rogue, what would you want them to be like? I make fan concepts, and maybe if I can make an outline for the type of kit you're looking for, the same kind of thing will happen where Riot waits about 6 months and makes a champion using reeeeeaaaallly similar kit speculations without ever saying they had ideas from the boards. :P

side note: I'd more compare Jayce's hammer/cannon combo to a crossbow that shoots energy anyway - it's entire design folds outwards to loosely resemble a crossbow at the end. Either way, If they make a new bow champion, I'd want something closer to a sniper. Yes, I know Ashe has the ult and Varus has his Q...but I'm talking about someone with a huge, heavy bow (think Fire Emblem, where they have a bow taller than they are!) whose entire kit is based around precise, heavy shots. Between our two concepts, I think yours would be the easier and more refreshing of the two archetypes though. I think if I were to try and make mine, I'd damn near just make someone just bring a fucking ballista at this point. :P

BrightWîngs6/5/2019, 7:00:56 AM2 votes

I think the reason Riot hasnt made the classic stealthy archer that we all play in Skyrim is because they try to make character very unique. I agree 100% they should ad another one I LOVE bows they are super cool but I think thats the reason they havnt made one.

BLIGHTBRINGER6/5/2019, 7:48:39 AM2 votes

I'm all for it. I love Archery and most Archer Champion's in-game are my favourites.

But imagine a new Archer who's Basic Attacks would need to be aimed as a new Mechanic (not sure if it's a good suggestion but I would love a higher skillfloor Archer in-game, not saying that the current Archer roster are lacking it but it's just a thought).

Austin Covello6/5/2019, 2:08:32 AM2 votes

Hell, I'm down for ANY new ADC, and this sounds pretty fun to play. Or maybe could double as a mid-lane ranged AD assassin? Build might look like this: item 3153 item 3085 item 3124 item 3091 item 3087 item 3006 and in addition to stealth, have an escape of some kind, maybe a warp like Evelynn 's ultimate or a teleport like Ezreal . Or, since he's an old-fashioned DND ranger, he has a summon ability that scales off of Attack Speed as his ultimate (some sort of animal, since rangers have an affinity for nature). Maybe not as powerful as Tibbers or Daisy, but something to that effect. Or maybe not, since that doesn't fit quite fit the rogue theme. Maybe bonus damage if the champion's back is turned, so you would stealth, flank around to the back of the enemy team, and shoot the back-line squishies in the back. That might also make him/her a decent gank-jungler, as well.

EDIT: And, if they turn their back to you, maybe get some bonus movement and/or Ghost as well.

Glaricion6/5/2019, 11:42:51 AM2 votes

A stealthy ranger would be a cool way to introduce a third kind of stealth: minimap invisibility. Rito loves gimmicks nowadays, so could be a way to tempt them~

(Also, we need a sling champion, I could imagine the weapon being a challenge to animate though unless you reuse something like Jhin's capped ATS mechanic.)

Mr Voidling6/5/2019, 6:19:43 PM2 votes

I think a good way to add a unique archer is to make them like my concept of Kero, I think a robotic archer would be a very interesting add to League. And honestly we could use some more robotic champs? Outside Blitz and sorta Viktor/Camille/Urgot we got nothing, Blitz is the only true robot and he needs a friend :P Maybe the robot archer even went rogue and left, trying to claim its agency/free-will.

Galactic Mayhem6/5/2019, 1:00:33 AM2 votes

So literally twitch with a bow?

Stars Shaper6/5/2019, 9:00:11 PM2 votes

I was thinking more on an Udyr-like archer with different elemental/magic arrows that he/she can choose between.

Ηuawei6/8/2019, 5:07:20 AM1 votes

No, please not another stealth based assasin with 100 dashes and a passive the size of A4.

Arakadia6/5/2019, 5:37:59 AM1 votes

I think there are more interesting tools for Marksmen than what we currently have. Another bow user wouldn't be inherently bad but I'd prefer someone who uses something unique or different, unseen or undone before.

Chembaron Yamada6/5/2019, 8:50:06 AM1 votes

While it is true that we have quite a bunch of guns, I don't think the comparison of "3 bows against 8 guns" is really fair, considering that there is such a wide variety of guns in general and that applies to this game, too.

We can split up the guns you listed as following: 1 shotgun Graves 2 sniper rifles Caitlyn Jhin 1 gatling gun Corki 1 minigun/rocket launcher/taser Jinx 2 dual wielded pistols Lucian MissFortune 1 cannon Tristana

A shotgun doesn't work the same like a sniper rifle, nor does it provide an equivalent fighting style. Bows are more limited there in my opinion. Yes, there are different types of bows, like shortbows, longbows, etc. But in general, the way they are working is much more alike than between these different gun types.

Personally, I am fine with the amount of bows in the game. A stealthy bow user who wants to assassinate his enemies from range sounds alot like Twitch in my ears, but this can easily just be me.

Personal bias that will get me some hate here: I would actually like to get more guns. [sg-lulu]

There are some weapons we don't have in the game yet, which I would like to see explored. Like a granade launcher, a syringe-gun, a heavy gatling-gun.

Jerry SeinfeId6/5/2019, 2:36:12 PM1 votes

Somehow no ranger is related to stealth in LoL, idk why

because you keep excluding twitch for no reason at all. Crossbows have always been part of ranger class weapons, it makes no sense to exclude em. and teemo is a scout class which comes close too.

the rogue archer, the agile and discrete one

this archetype just doesn't work. Aside from the agile part assassin build twitch fulfills that role, but it'll never be good because ranged assassins are unhealthy for the game.

Tho i'll agree that league doesn't really have anyone that fulfills the classic rogue role well. The reason for that is that they simply do not lend themselves well to pvp multiplayer games, especially league. Stealing items or gold would be broken and their combat often comes close to assassins or rangers. So in the end we could have an assassin or adc that's a rogue in lore, but it would be hard to represent that part ingame.

Kuzja16/6/2019, 10:42:56 PM1 votes

I want this kind of champion to be in the game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk

Basically an archer who can shoot really, really fast.