The League needs another archer.

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She's a demon hunter, not a ranger imo And she doesn't have a bow

That's crossbow

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I think the reason Riot hasnt made the classic stealthy archer that we all play in Skyrim is because they try to make character very unique. I agree 100% they should ad another one I LOVE bows they are super cool but I think thats the reason they havnt made one.

I will never forget when I first started playing years ago I saw my first rage quit. I was supporting a Jax bot lane. We were against a poke comp (Ashe and I forget who else). He got poked out and said "Guys, they have arrows, it's hopeless" then went afk.

They succeed in making unique champs. We got a cat that flies on a book for god sakes. it's the cutest thing I have ever seen

Whats skyrim?

Finally ! Relieved to see I'm not the only one

You totally make a point. Yet the very core of LoL is to take every single classic fantasy archetype and to make it unique I believe that Riot would be easily find a way to add unique visuals and mechanics to a stealthy archer and that we wouldn't end up with the bland hooded one everyone thinks about (and that I love anyways)

That'd be amazing

It's not exactly what you are looking for, but Neeko kinda has a slingshot animation for her auto attacks.

That could definitely be an idea to explore but I feel like it should still be paired with camouflage, since giving it permanently would be broken and otherwise it would be too situational (especially since minimap awareness is not equally shared between players!)

You forgot this cutie here. Apologise to her. NOW.

I'm completely digging your champion concept ! I agree that the League could have more robots, and a robot archer would be dope. Your concept is actually very coherent and I think the spells are cool. Really like the Q, a sort of trap that you can fix to a wall is original and you built a cool mechanic around it.

The only thing is that I'm not sure gameplay-wise your ideas would fit this concept of a rogue archer. He could totally be reinvented as a robot, but you articulated the kit around the fact that he builds mechanisms, traps and has displacements / CC. I see the rogue archer more as a discrete killer.

That said, I also really like your concept and I think it could totally be a thing ! Actually I love archers so much I think there is room for both in the League.

That can totally be the case ! That would actually fit my dream archetype perfectly : Garrett from Thief uses all kinds of arrows to adapt to any situation. Imagine having an explosive one that bumps enemies, a poisonous one that applies strong DoT and a coal one that blinds the enemy. And that's far from being the most creative options.

They could have a "premeditation" passive that lets them choose a unique arrow to notch onto their bow before the fight, being the first auto-attack they land.

You’re completely right ! I initially didn’t really define the limits of the thing I wanted, it was more of a broad idea. By responding to comments and trying to explain why I had the feeling there was an empty spot for that type of character in the League, I defined it better and I’m happy you ask for more details ! (btw, indeed, Garrett from Thief is totally a rogue, just from the sub-class that wields bows)

I actually love your description of the traditional ranger. I feel drawn to it and it is part of why I think the League needs a new archer.

someone who lives their best life on the open trail, generally friendly with animals and only a few people, has a great deal of knowledge about traps, tracking, and outmaneuvering their hunters or prey

This archetype is not fully represented in game ! That’s what I want from the beginning.

Now the problem is that Ashe is a scout and Kindred has a pet. Also we already have a lot of traps in the game. To be completely honest, these aspects have always been my least favorite from the ranger class. The dissimulation, tracking, agile aspects are my favorite. Which is why I was also attracted to the rogue archetype, but I never liked the mischievous and dishonest parts of it. Plus I want an archer !!

Therefore, this concept is not exactly the epitome of the traditional ranger, nor the perfect rogue. Actually, I would be equally fine with Riot identifying the champion more as one or the other. I feel like there is a weird in-between category that borrows elements from the two. You can see it both ways : the noble rogue that uses a bow (and is not particularly mischievous), or the lone ranger (that tracks a prey in any environment, not only nature). Either way they have stealth capacities, dexterity and precision. They are capable of taking down a foe with a single arrow and vanish right away. I don’t feel like any champion fills that role. And it is a quite beloved profile from video games.

After talking to a friend of mine, here’s what I think best describes that in terms of gameplay : a mix of Twitch and Jhin, plus one good mobility spell (think Sylas E).

For the mobility spell, I actually have given it some thought. I wouldn’t want the champion to be overly mobile, mainly because it simply wouldn’t be balanced to have a mobile Jhin that can camouflage. My idea : on first cast, he shoots a hook-rope-arrow that can attach to a wall ; on second cast, he turns invisible while pulling himself to it ; if he is near the wall when reactivating, he hops over it (small walls only).

This ability can look strong, but it actually is a much less powerful version of Shaco’s Deceive. If you want to give the spell a weakness, slow the champion during stealth. It hasn’t been made yet and quite fits the camouflage RP-wise. It gives him a cool gap-closer OR way to cross a wall but with the need to carefully use the ability. The stealth gives it more importance and thus more thought as to when to put on cooldown. I think this spell totally captures what the champion would be ! It lets him either slowly infiltrate a corner of the map to kill someone he’s tracking or get out just after it. One or the other only.

I would LOVE you to do a concept for this champion. Please do. I do not own the idea, I’m happy if it has a life of its own !! I actually really feel what you mean with your wish for a sniper. It can totally be a part of this champion because « precise, heavy shots » is exactly what I think should be its gameplay. Mixing the two ideas seems great. Have fun with it !

(that was a long comment :p)

Other ideas that you can pick up from (or not obv) :

• if they do another archer Riot can also introduce a cool arrow-mechanic that hasn’t been done yet (in this game) : an arrow that bounces off walls. I don’t feel like it’s necessary for the kit but it could also fit the design of the champion with arrows coming from hidden places.
• invisible projectiles are not really exploited in the game (things like Ekko’s W) so having the champion shoot arrows in the air and them land a few seconds later (while enemies don’t see where they do right away) could be cool. Maybe for his ultimate, with a unique pattern when landing, proving the archer's skill and giving him a good burst ability.
• maybe having a powerfull 1-or-2 auto-attack(s) boost to have reliable damage (like Fiora’s E but with arrows), e.g. high damage & high cooldown
• OR put that in his passive, like I said in another comment (even though this type of mechanic might already be used by the upcoming champion) :

Imagine having an explosive one that bumps enemies, a poisonous one that applies strong DoT and a coal one that blinds the enemy. And that's far from being the most creative options.

They could have a "premeditation" passive that lets them choose a unique arrow to notch onto their bow before the fight, being the first auto-attack they land.

Actually, a bow user could introduce new and interesting mechanics ! Off the top of my head :

Having to switch between different types of arrows (e.g. 3) that have various effects Using a hook/rope arrow as a gap-closer Using a bladed bow with hand-to-hand combat interactions

Right like I want a ADC that throws fans like Kitana from Mortal Kombat or Yumi from Code Lyoko. or a Adc that Senbons or Kunais another cool would be an ADC that uses Scrolls that summon weapons Like tenten from Naruto they could do so fkin much with ADC's

I agree that guns are more diverse than bows by nature even though, as you said, there are also different types of bows. Yet the gameplay and the themes associated with an archer can vary just as much, which is why I took the time to list the specificities of current League archers. We could have something not in line with any marksman in the game.

I actually made the comparison with guns just to show how Riot can diversify what, in the end, are all firearms wielders. In terms of themes, look at how Lucian and MF resonate differently while having the same type of weapons !

As for Twitch, there are indeed similarities that come from stealth mechanics and range. However, he is not agile and does not track down enemies like a ranger but ambushes and contaminates them.

I like your comment because you're quite constructive in the end and I'll try to be myself.

First of all, I never excluded crossbows as a whole from the ranger class ; proof is I specifically said Quinn is a part of it. Yet the whole post is about the fact that I want a champion that wields a bow ! Furthermore, in my eyes, crossbows are less precise and more mechanical than bows. The traditional ranger, the tracker that waits for the perfect time to take down his prey with a single arrow, wields a bow.

Now indeed, I keep excluding Twitch without giving much explanation, but there is some solid. To make it short, a crazy sewer rat has nothing in common with a cautious rogue archer.

It seems obvious to me that Twitch is not a ranger, nor a rogue. He does have the infiltration aspect but not the precision one. He's not about dexterity, as you said. He's rather all about suddenly appearing to frenetically take down several foes. The champion I want selects a target and chooses the best way to silently take them down before vanishing.

I completely agree that nailing this archetype would be hard. Your arguments are very good indeed, rogues might not be the most fitting for this type of game in terms of gameplay and we might end up with either a marksman or an assassin. But I'm pretty sure Riot could do it and I'd rather have them try than not. They've surprised us many times with innovative mechanics. Having a rogue-archer-ranged-assassin that does not break the meta could be their next challenge :)

The idea is definitely not to give them 100 dashes