[Champion Concept] Valen, the Displaced Professional

Nikushimi Zero·6/2/2015, 11:17:36 PM·15 votes·3,047 views

Health: 530-2100 Health Regen: 5-19 Mana: 350-950 Mana Regen: 6-23 Armor: 25-83 Magic Resist: 32.1-53.4 Attack Damage: 61-105 Attack Speed: 0.65-1.01 Melee: 125 Movement Speed: 355 Primary Role: Assassin Secondary Role: Mage

Highly mobile champion. Excelling in fighting mages and chasing champions down. Lacks in upfront fighting and with his mobility taken away is easy pickings. Please up vote if you enjoy my champion. ^_^ Don't forget to leave feedback below if you so desire! I appreciate you taking the time to look over my champion and give him the time of day. Thank you!


Background: "Valen Ravenore, do you take Ilia Moon to be your loftily wedded wife?" the priest asked within a small private alcove.

"I do," the lucky man of the hour stated with a smile on his face.

"And do you..." The priest began to ask.

"I do," The lithe woman's voice, that of an angels interrupted and then looked down in shyness smiling. Her bright red hair glowing in the sunlight as if rays of the very goddesses shinned down upon her.

The priest smiled and nodded, "Then by the power invested in me by the gods and the church I now pronounce you man and wife. You may kiss the bride." And what a kiss it was.

Her soft lips brushed his as he took her in his arms. Her warmth filling him with a feeling beyond any other. It was the best feeling, and the best day in his life. He wished it would never end. They were quite young, and still are when they married. It was a bittersweet moment.

And for a time....it did. Then, lightning struck and I awoke with a start. The storm had moved in and I was bound for the manor. Pulling up the cowl to my face I looked out into the night as the rain and lightning kept on going outside the cave. Ilia....my love, I am on my way.

The night was born of the cruelest of fates. For a week I have been tracking. Moving from place to place always one step behind. Not today. The men I have gone through and the energy I have placed into this would not go to waste. I have finally cornered them. They never approved of us, and then they did the most deplorable thing. A bounty on both of our heads.....alive, or dead.

I was a professional. A man who did contracts for a living. It was what my families fortune was based on. The great Ravnore's. Grand contractors and expert professionals. They were hired to do jobs others found too difficult or dangerous to do. I was their greatest achievement. The best within the business and you'd bet there were a lot of people after me for the work I have performed.

Ilia's family, the Moon's. They were a wealthy high to do royalty in the kingdom. She was to marry some far away prince, but was once kidnapped and I was the one hired to rescue her. Her husband to be hid behind his kingdom and refused to come to her aid, and so....she left with me. After traversing the world to get her to her husband to be we fell in love and both proposed marriage. Our families disapproved due to prior engagements and the difference in status even if the Ravenore's were high in the world we were still contractors. Bound by oath and tradition. So, in secret we wed, and this was found out. The priest was tortured and killed for the information.

My family tried to restrain and hold me, but it did not work. The manor lay before me. Guards patrolled and the area was dense with forest. The first guard to fall was in a pack of six. Knife across his throat led to a knife throw to the back of the heads in front of me. Swiftly moving in and grabbing a second dagger from my belt the knives slide easily into the necks of two more followed by both under the chin of the final one. Vocal cords severed on all of them. A silent execution.

Within the manor came a sight I had not anticipated. "Ilia!" I couldn't help but scream as I saw my loves body floating in the air. Her body almost free of all clothing. Blood dripping and coating her. She had a hallowed and sunken look to her eyes. The guard I had just slight the throat of I threw down over the balcony of the second floor I had got to. Jumping over and running to her. Stopped short and thrown back by a field of force. Groggily getting up to the sounds of laughter. Chanting filled the air.

Our families were in league with very powerful sorcerers. Enemies of our families, but upon a truce lay our lives. Should they capture and or kill us then they would no longer be hunted by our families unless they crossed them again. The Sentinels of Irinith, the realms of darkness and despair. They chanted and circled around Ilia's body.

I flailed and rammed by dagger against the force. Trying to get through. That's when our families appeared above us on the opposite balcony. Guards swarmed the area and I glared down my father. Lightning struck outside and the rain poured harder. I raged at my father and beat against the force. With a cruel smile and a twist of his fist I heard a snap and looked up in horror. Ilia, bent in two as her blood poured down and demonic looking metal catalysts came forth from the ground. A ritual. I knew the ritual but couldn't believe my family, let alone Ilia's, would allow this. Summoning of the demon lords of Irinith. Gathering all my power I forged into the force and broke it. My dagger stabbing a hole through it. All my life I learned to fight magic, and all that energy now within my dagger. I pushed ahead as I felt my body begin to be ripped apart. The flesh feeling as if it was being pulled away, and in fact. It was.

In an instant as I reached forward towards Ilia's body lightning struck through the roof and into the catalysts and my dagger. Shredding the magic and exploding outwards. Decimating the manor, and the majority of the surrounding area. As I knelt there with Ilia in my arms, her hand to my cheek she smiled, "I knew you'd come. Don't blame yourself. They had poisoned and killed me long ago...only prolonging to show you pain. I love you. Live. Live and be well. I shall always be by your side." With that she placed her pendant necklace around his neck and continued to smile.

With that her body began to disintegrate in my arms. My pain knew no bounds and into the storm I yelled and raged my pain. My flesh beginning to disintegrate as well. I looked down across the way to see that my fathers own magic, and that of the Sentinels had saved the majority of them. My eyes glared into my fathers. They turned, and left.

As I knelt staring at my hands where she had been. As I thought of her she appeared before me. Smiling. I was confused, but I smiled back. Within moments she vanished into the air. Then, the pain. I roared as it hit my body. I saw my body rip apart and become like lightning. Energy surged and tore apart my very being, and before I knew it I was no more.

My eyes fluttered open and I awoke in a strange place. They call it Runeterra. My appearance had changed, and so did my body and abilities. Energy surged through me and I felt a connection to all magic within this world. Sensing it pulsing and aching. The scars from the energy bore upon my face and the new found power bore inside me. My heart burned with a fire unlike any other. Again, she appeared before me smiling. "Are you....here?" She smiled and nodded. With conviction in my heart I set out in this world to find a way back, and avenge our betrayal. Until that day comes I make my home here, in Runeterra. Perhaps....there is a place here I can learn of ways home.


The picture(s) used I do not own and have found on google images via searches. The credit for pictures go to their respective owners. I claim no rights to them. Only using them as a point of comparison and reference for my concept. Thank you.

Appearance: http://fantasyinspiration.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/piofoks-3.jpg The only difference in this picture from my character is that my character is right handed (Not left), but does use daggers in both hands in his lore. However, he attacks with his weapon in his right. His nose in the picture is too big on the bridge part. My characters nose has less of a pronounced bridge. His hair used to be brown/Dirty blonde, but now in addition to this color he has three streaks of silver/white running through it. Think much like Rogue from Xmen. The amulet around his neck hers, and infused to him and her. The amulet held her spirit/being inside of it, and is locked by magic unable to be taken off by anyone but him. This of course he never does. On the dagger in the picture are initials. I'm guessing the artist and not the character. To whoever the artist is this is a very cool picture and I hope you're not offended I am using the picture. I take no rights as stated. So, the initials are not on my characters dagger. Even if it is the character in the picture initials.

Age: 23 Height: 5' 10" Weight: 150lbs almost all muscle. Built lean and lithe. No over bulkiness.

Weapon: Uses the dagger you see in the picture as his weapon in his right hand. His abilities he gained gives him control over electricity and matter of himself and that around him which he controls with his own magic and that he gained from the tear in the magic veil within his world when the lightning struck.


Passive: http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/resource_images/9/icons_8819_btn.jpg Overcharge- From the failed ritual came great power for Valen. Each ability landed upon an enemy builds charges which are stored. This is shown by a growing electrical sparks across his body.

Each charge gives Valen's abilities cooldown reduction as well as giving him bonus movement and attack speed. Max charges of 5.

Per Charge: Attack Speed 2% Movement Speed 3% Cooldown Reduction 5%

Upon max charges the next basic attack or ability gains added bonuses. This uses the charges and starts everything over again.

This ability bonuses gained at max charges starts with a base and gains power each rank of his ult where applicable.

Basic Attack: 20/30/40/50 (+50% AP) bonus magic damage. Power Leech: Upon hitting enemy champion with Power Leech the target is stunned for 1.5s. Dispersion: Upon activating this ability Overcharge increases damage by 20/30/40/50 and knocks to the side the enemies in its path. Stunning them instead of slowing by .25/.5/.75/1s. Electrical Surge: Upon activating this ability overcharge adds 50/70/90/110 (+50% AD) to his hits while Surge is active as bonus magic damage. By Your Side: When summoned Ilia's "Electro Surge" is activated with an extended 200 range and a 0.5s stun to enemies hit.


Q http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/resource_images/12/icons_11963_btn.jpg Power Leech: Valen dashes to target champion and damages them for 50/70/90/110/130 (+70% AD) physical damage as well as damaging and siphoning 10/20/30/40/50% of the damage dealt physically from the opponents mana healing his own mana for the amount stolen.

Cost: 90/100/110/120/130 Cooldown: 30/27/25/23/21s Range: Any enemy champion within a 600 unit radius around him.

Note: When using this ability he flashes behind the target and stabs them with his two dagger which drains the energy, taking out the second dagger upon reaching the target. This is shown by an electrical current going from the enemy to him through his daggers and arms. When he flashes it is shown by him disintegrating into lightning and particles of himself and re-assembling behind target with both daggers out and then stabbing them.


W http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/resource_images/12/icons_11644_btn.jpg Dispersion: Valen disassembles himself into electrical particles, becoming untargetable and dashing a certain distance away. Enemies within his path take 30/50/70/90/110 (+50% AP) as magic damage. This also places a distortion effect upon enemies hit. Slowing them 20/23/25/27/30% for 3 seconds. Enemies hit while the distortion effect is active take 30/50/70/90/110 true damage. Distortion cannot be placed on the same enemy again after it has run out or been activated until 3 seconds have passed.

Cost: 70/75/80/85/90 Cooldown: 23/21/19/17/15s Range: 400 units in any direction.

Note: Using this ability allows Valen to cover distances and also head through walls such. This ability is his main means of escape and also engagement. Allowing him to dive and escape for whatever need should arise. Also, a visual effect of this as well is as he disperses himself the many daggers among his body are brought out and suspended around him spinning along an electrical current. This is what damages enemies mixed with the electricity and distortion effect.


E http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/resource_images/15/icons_14835_btn.jpg Electrical Surge: Valen channels the electrical energy inside of him causing him to become a conductive source for a few seconds. This electrical surge increases his movement speed by 5/10/15/20/25% while active. Enemies within the radius he is able to dash to causing him to deal his basic attack damage on hit.

Enemies inside the radius are slowed by 10/13/15/17/20% while within it.

Cost: 80/85/90/95/100 Cooldown: 25/23/21/19/17s Duration: 3/4/5s Radius: 500 unit radius around him.

Note: This ability is used mainly for closing the gap on enemies. Allowing him to quickly move to an opponent and trap them inside as he is able to follow them quickly within the radius around him. This can also be chained to dash between multiple opponents within the radius allowing him to quickly chase enemies by dashing to the farthest one from him and closest one to the enemy.


R http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/resource_images/16/icons_15816_btn.jpg By Your Side: Activating this brings forth Ilia's Spirit in an electrical/physical form. For the next 45s she mimics his abilities (And ranks of them) and acts as a companion/champion. She remains within 700 units of him, and attacks the same target he is attacking, but will switch targets to those who are attacking him should there be more than one. She uses her own AD and AP when using abilities she mimics.

Cost: 100 Cooldown: 100/90/80s Range/Radius: She is summoned directly by his side once activated and has a 700 area radius in which she can attack and use abilities. She can stray (Follow) champions outside this area for 300 units if she is aggroed, but returns instantly should the champion she follows leaves the area or she reaches the stray range.

Note: Enemies will be chased by her much like how Tibbers chases people, but should she stray too far from Valen she is brought back to his side instantly in a flash of lightning. Her max stray range is 300 units outside the 700 unit range she already has. This is to prevent champions from just cheesing her by getting her to go under turrets or lure her away from him and just gank. As well as constant baiting by having her in a constant state of running to them then running back within range of Valen and back again as she will attack those who attack her, but prioritize those attack Valen. This effectively gives her a max range of 1000

Ilia's Stats: Health: 1300/2000/2700 Mana: N/A Attack Damage: 100/150/200 magic damage. This is her basic attack, as well as her AD. Ability Power: 100/150/200 Attack Speed: 0.8/0.9/1 Melee Range: 150 (She uses a rapier of electricity as her weapon) Movement Speed: 355 Armor: 40/60/80 Magic Resist: 40/60/80 Gold: 100

Information on Ilia: She takes 50% reduced damage from turrets. Is considered a champion for targeting purposes. She is AI controlled, but has priorities. Much like attack enemies attack Valen and staying close to Valen. Never straying to far, and "teleporting" back to him should she go too far. Her basic attacks cannot be blocked, parried, or dodged. They can however miss. She mimics all of Valen's abilities except for his E. In place of his E she has her own ability that acts as a passive damager much like Tibbers passive damage except slightly different. Cooldown starts when she is summoned. Much like with Tibbers.

Ilia's "E" ability, a passive more than anything. Electro Pulse: Every 3 seconds she lets out a pulse within a 300 unit radius around her. This damages enemies and minions alike for 90/110/130 magic damage.


CCOS: June Bonus: Legendary/Ultimate Skin: Shifter Valen: Valen takes on a futuristic like look. Keeping the hat of course. The color scheme is much different. Taking on tones of silver and dark blue. Over his right eye he gains a scouter like eye piece. His hair is longer and tied in a long ponytail that lays out behind his back over his clothes. His trench coat becomes more form fitting and on the shoulders are hextech looking pauldrons of silver with blue glowing wires placed in the seems. Underneath his trench coat is a form fitting metallic/robotic looking shirt. In the center is the amulet/pendant of his wife which looks much like a crystal now with the blue glowing lining going up around to the back of the shirt. His pants have taken on the same appearance as his shirt. Same with his boots. Pretty much imagine it like this. Underneath his trench coat he is pretty much Ironman looking in appearance except more form fitting and less bulky. All in all his look is very futuristic with robotic/pristine look about him.

His weapons (Daggers) have a thin metal that is shaped much like his previous daggers. From this thinner metal comes an energized beam around it to make his daggers. So it would be the same size as his previous daggers, but with an energy like blade instead. The color of which is light blue.

His skills have changed to resemble his "Shifter" and futuristic style.

Q: His Q changes in that a portal opens behind him that he puts his hand through. It then pulls him in and the portal appears behind the champion he targeted. Stabbing him with his weapons. Sucking the energy from them which now instead of lightning it is like blue, black, and purple particles being absorbed.

W: His W pretty much becomes a black hole. He brings up his left hand and jumps. His left hand creates the black hole and he jumps into it. Propelling him in the direction. As he jumps he tosses his daggers out which orbit around the black hole. He appears on the other side and opens his trench coat. The daggers return to their places inside his coat.

E: Upon activation a pulse goes out and he floats. Around him becomes a vortex that distorts the air. Much like how it looks to be seeing things on a hot day when the air becomes distorted. This becomes his anti gravity sphere of sorts.

R: Ilia takes on a Cortana like appearance. Not actually looking like Cortana though. She is still herself in appearance. I use Cortana to how her spirit looks. Much like the A.I. Cortana. Ilia's own attacks (Even though they mimic Valen's) become much like a glitch in a computer system. She distorts and appears behind people and flies through the air for the W as displaced fragments. Her "E" becomes a burst of anti gravity that looks much like the E of Valen.

So, that's the best I can do. Hope I didn't mess that up too bad XD Not entirely sure how legendary/ultimate skins work, but I think I did alright. XD I think it would be an awesome appearance for my champion.


Strategy and Play: Valen is a versatile laner. Capable of being in either of the three lanes. Jungling is not his specialty due to his low sustainability. His high mobility is key while in one on one fights or team fights. A tanky Valen can instigate an encounter with his W into his E. This will put him in the middle of a gank and or team fight against several enemies, but is best used at chasing enemies down.

Valen excells at chasing enemies down. His abilities help with this. A Q->E combo is his bread and butter. His Q lets him get close, and his E lets him stay close dealing damage to the slowed target. Enemies trying to flee while within his E's radius allows him to dash to them to keep them within range.

Valen however should watch out for the MR tanks, as well as those with higher DPS and range than him. Allowing Cho'Gath to knock him up, silence, and get close will be deadly for Valen. The stuns of Lux, Taric, and others will allow time for the enemy to close in and finish him quickly. Fiddle with his fear, siphon, and silence is Valen's worst fear. However deadly Valen is the setup Fiddle has is especially more deadly to him when it lands. Countering Valen is a matter of countering the way you would counter Talon, Master Yi, and Ryze.

Valen plays much like Talon, Ryze, and Master Yi.


Quotes/sayings/voice stuffs/random information: Voice: His voice sounds much like Twisted Fates, but without the southern drawl and words that twisted fate uses. The tone is the same, but accent is different. His accent has a small hint of Irish and British. He also has much of a sadistic, sarcastic personality. He is protective and honorable as well. Even if he has played part as an assassin and cold blooded killer before. Also, he is very cocky and confident in his abilities.

Upon Selection: "From my world, to yours." "I see. So you need a Professional huh?" "We are one."

Moving: "Yes, yes. Left right, left right. What are you? My old man?" Grunts in acknowledgement "On the way. Calm yourself." "Called for a professional?"

Taunts: "It takes years of training to get this good....oh, you think I meant me? No, I mean until you get as good as me." 1 second pause "Ah, who am I kidding. You can't catch up to me. I was born this good." "You call that a weapon?" Takes out all of his many daggers and whirls them around along an electrical path "These are weapons." "Come on. I once fought a 200 year old lady with a crippled body who put up a better fight then you. Good times. Good times. Damn witches...."

Jokes: "So....a joke huh?" Taps his chin and smiles then shrugs "You already make a great joke." "Death is an old friend. Embrace them. Not my friend though....They owe me money."

Attacking: "Only a professional can be this good." "Come on. Try at least!" "This shall be easy."

Comments: "Nobody touches the hat." (Except Ilia, but you get the gist. :P)

Dying: Upon death he doesn't exactly "Die". Ilia's spirit appears over him and he disperses. She then flies up into the air with his dispersed body as if saving him.

Recalling: Upon recalling Ilia's spirit will appear behind him wrapping her arms around his neck and shoulders embracing him. They then disperse into the air. His right hand on her arm as if holding and gripping it.


Essential Items: item 3087 item 3046 item 3031 Offensive Items: item 3072 item 3172 item 3139 Defensive Items: item 3025 item 3112 item 3065 Other useful items: item 3115 item 3102 item 3110 item 3116 item 3071 item 3091 item 3512 item 3035 item 3100 item 3056 item 3074


There you have Valen! Let me know what you think! Vote +/- based on what you feel he deserves. Give me your feedback below. I don't mind as long as it isn't outright hate. Constructive feedback and conversing is what I prefer. If it is outright hate then please. Move along. I don't have time for hate and it wastes everyone's time and energy. If you don't like them that's fine! ^_^ But please, don't bring the hate here.

Let me know what you like and don't like and just converse with me if you don't have feedback. It's cool ^^ I like hearing what people think and how they could see this champion and everything. ^^ Thanks again!

46 Comments

Krypt3d6/3/2015, 2:30:18 AM2 votes

Seems good, but incredibly over powered. Besides that he looks like a great champ.

Rhyto6/3/2015, 12:01:52 AM1 votes

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Chikyu6/3/2015, 5:19:22 AM1 votes

Where'd you get these logos for the skills? Haha they look legit

jewliciousness6/3/2015, 6:47:27 AM1 votes

The concept itself seems great. I do have some issues with it though (constructive criticism only). In design, he looks and feels fairly similar to shaco. The q itself, while I admit is not really the same, feels a bit like shaco's q in the sense that he ports a short distance. It's a different kind of port, I understand that, but you might consider making this a ranged spell or just a close range target spell. Also, the mana sap portion of the Q is quite overpowered. At higher ranks when this spell could be doing, in theory, upwards of 350 damage, the 50% damage mana leach would be quite ridiculous. I would recommend maybe a 3%/4%/5%/7%/9% mana sap instead (keep in mind that this takes mana from them and gives it to you so really it's doubly effective.) In general, I felt like this champion had wayyy too many gap closers. I like the idea of the W, but you might consider something slightly different with the E. The Ultimate itself is a fantastic idea. I love it completely, but that doesn't mean I don't see issues. Actually it almost does. The only issue I see here is the possibility of it being overpowered. If it mimic's the original champion's abilities, then the companion's abilities would have to be much less powerful in order to avoid instant death for the enemy. There has to be some counterplay available here and with all the dashes and damage there really isn't any haha. On to the passive. Really there's not much wrong here. I like the numbers for the max stacks basic attack buff. A suggestion I could make though is a decently high number for the max stacks, possibly 5-7. To have this though, you're clearly going to have to tweak cooldowns because there's no way the passive is going to help at all with 20 second cooldowns on every basic spell. With the lower damage numbers and tweaks above (obviously a rough number. I'm sure you can do better), lower cooldowns would be much more viable thereby allowing for a higher number of max stacks. Now, obviously this is your champion so you dont have to take any of this advice or you can take all of it or you can only pick and choose. It's up to you. Just felt like offering my point of view on this guy so far. Cheers :)

AnonymousEnigma6/3/2015, 7:25:58 AM1 votes

His ratios seem kinda weak for an aggressive AD bruiser, compared to say Riven, wukong etc

lnting Machine6/3/2015, 12:39:43 PM1 votes

Too much lore. Riot wont use it.

Swampmajikk6/3/2015, 3:46:48 PM1 votes

looks too much like TF.. i'd say just rework his look.

TendajiX6/7/2015, 10:48:26 PM1 votes

Looks too similar to TF. This concept is very thorough and awesome but the ult is op and all champs that can be untargetable are or have been op as it is very difficult to play around. I would say make the dmg on his w really low if it makes him untargetable.

Svddenly6/8/2015, 7:18:58 PM1 votes

Nitpicking grammar mistakes in the lore (I'm going to post a kit review soon):

"loftily wedded wife"

lawfully* wedded wife

"husband to be"

husband-to-be* (for sake of clarity)

"led to a knife throw to the back of the heads in front of me."

led to a knife thrown* to the backs* also this sentence feels really awkward and clunky (I also only counted 5 of 6 guards killed in that paragraph)

"the knives slide"

the knives slid*

"I had just slight the throat of"

I had just slit* the throat of

"Jumping over and running to her. Stopped short and thrown back by a field of force. Groggily getting up to the sounds of laughter."

All of these sentences need a subject. They aren't imperative and therefore don't have an implied subject.

"Our families were in league with very powerful sorcerers. Enemies of our families, but upon a truce lay our lives."

Who were the enemies of their families? Were they enemies of both families? Or just enemies of his family?

"glared down my father."

glared down at* my father

"demonic looking metal catalysts"

I don't think catalyst is the word you're looking for there.

"and in fact. It was."

and in fact, it was*

"My eyes glared into my fathers."

My eyes glared into my father's*.

Svddenly6/8/2015, 7:56:30 PM1 votes

Kit Review:

Passive: I am very opposed to temporary CDR. Basic Attack: 50 (+50% AP) magic damage on an AD champ isn't really noticable. Especially for a one-time bonus. Electrical Surge: On the other hand, 110 (+50% AD) magic damage is HUGE on an AD champ, even if it's just for a few seconds (imo it shouldn't scale with AD).

Q: "damaging and siphoning 10/20/30/40/50% of the damage dealt physically from the opponents mana healing his own mana for the amount stolen." A few things here: Is he draining someone else's mana (please no)? The word "physically" is unnecessary. And mana doesn't "heal", it's restored (nitpick alert).

21s cd? Too high.

W: Another dash? And with an extremely negligible amount of true damage.

E: Does he need more mobility? And with confusing wording so much so that I don't know what the rest of this ability does.

R: Very fitting with the lore.

Overall: Very compelling lore. But does he really need 3 mobility spells? Also, he feels like he should be AP based, not AD ("Energy surged through me and I felt a connection to all magic within this world." emphasis mine). Last thing: I can only see one scaling ability. This may be problematic.

Keagn6/2/2015, 11:48:02 PM1 votes

If you have have not already considered it, I would like to extend a formal invitation to our...little gathering. The Legion could use a man with your expertise. S

RinChee6/11/2015, 8:56:31 PM1 votes

Pretty amazing Concept even has icons for the abilities. I was just wondering if you mind commenting mine ( Rin-Ki )