AD Based Support
Why are most all supports AP, and why arent there more items for AD based champions? Is that game breaking or do the S4 items not work for them.. Just wondering why it's never done.
Why are most all supports AP, and why arent there more items for AD based champions? Is that game breaking or do the S4 items not work for them.. Just wondering why it's never done.
I think the biggest issue might be that AD support items would be used by ADCs, thus providing them with additional utility. In my mind this would weight the game even more heavily towards MM role, as if it werent biased enough.
I aint bashing your idea because i feel like it should be able to be done effectively / be something that is supported, but I just feel Riot hasnt figured out the whole dynamic there. Or they have and it just isnt healthy for the game.
idk, just me thinking.
comes to mind as shutting down an entire role: tanks/armor
There are certain game dynamics that seem to have consistency towards AP. Look at almost any champion with a heal or shield spell; they usually scale off AP. There are champions like Riven that have an AD scaling shield, but it's rare. Think now about what a champion needs to offer to be a viable support. They need to be able to help the ADC farm in lane, provide map control, peel/kite for carries, and function as a relevant part of the team with selfless items and less farm. Let's go back to Riven for a second. Most of her kit serves decently well as a support, but she needs to be very close to be useful, has an ultimate with kill potential instead of utility, and really wouldn't be very useful without farm. That being said, making a champion for the sole purpose of scaling as an AD support would probably end up creating an overpowered jungle/top or underwhelming AD scaling.
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. Now I understand that some of these champions are much better than others, and some(Malphite) are AP scaling as well. The thing is: it would be really tough to validate making a dedicated AD support without giving them a reason to want farm. They will either have AD ratios too high to pass up solo lane/jungle or they will have garbage ratios that force them into building pure tank items.
actually has very good AD scaling on his flay and could be effectively played as an AD tank support. Whenever I see this subject brought up, the first question that pops into my mind is: What exactly is it about an AD support that you want, and how do you think that would change their role any more than if they scaled off AP?Edit: OMG! a HUGE point that I forgot to mention. Champions that scale off AD have every basic attack boosted by building AD. AP scaling only can be applied through use of spells. Support champions are defined by their abilities, so they scale off Ability Power; AD champs are focused on doing Attack Damage. Damage is not a support's primary role.
I also used to want some AD support. but the main problem is that there are no suitable items for that. Having AD support would mean that he would turn in carry at worst or in bruiser at best.
AP allows scaling of skills like healing, shields, movement speed buffs and other utility effects.
AD simply does not offer this scale of posibilities because only damage scales from AD.
Only way I see AD support happening is hat he would convert either AD to something or something to AD. Probably best solution would be Convertion of part of AD to health or defense. That way he would not end up with enormus amount AD in late game and still had defensive stats he would needed.
You can very much do Ashe support. The AP on Spelltheifs may not help you and you'll want to sell it later but it provides good gold and extra damage to your arrow spray and autos. Alternatively Coin is one you can fully upgrade as the active is good on anyone.
In general the idea is to grab Sightsone and then build AD/Aura stuff depending on what your team needs. You use your poke in lane to drive the enemy adc out and your slow and stun are peel. Start with Bonus Crit Damage runes to maximize the damage from your passive.
I think I'm siding with everyone when I say that I'd like to see them however, the closest you'll ever get will be Volibear Support, lack of items is huge. But it would most likely end up being two adcs in bot lane where the supports have just as much kill potential as the adcs, also we would see a huge huge HUGE rush or thornmails and tanky supports which would throw ap supports and crowd control supports out of the meta. The squishy supports would never be able to stand against a lane with two ad champions. That's just my opinion however.
the reason there are no AD supports is bcuz there are no AD support items. Im like you where i feel that there should be AD supports.