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Champion Concept Question: Two champions who work off one another better than any other champion?

Nikushimi Zero··1 votes·338 views

Hey there, I am writing this in the Skins and Champion Concepts because it is about two champion concepts I have that I wish to publish, but before I do I wanted to get a feel for what people thought on the subject.

The two champions in question are lovers who benefit from being in each others presence. The womans abilities are enhanced upon him, and they each add an effect to the enemy which enhance each others abilities.

My question is what do people think of this kind of champion concept? Is it able to be done in the league and would people want to see it? I ask because this means that if these two are on a team together then they become a force to be reckoned with. Albeit still manageable, but clearly they gain benefits.

So, what are your thoughts on the matter? If this is in the wrong place can this be moved somewhere else that is appropriate instead of being completely erased?

I only ask in the concepts page because this is about my concepts. Thanks!

11 Comments

SulkingKING1 votes

If you mean that there'd be two champion that are separate in the shop who have bonuses just for being together, then that wouldn't make much sense. If you were the only person one your team with one of them, you don't receive the bonus, and if your enemy has both, you're at an immediate disadvantage.

However, if you were saying as if there was a champion who was two or more champions under one name, then I'd be all for that. Nunu and Quinn/Valor are perfect examples of this.

Nikushimi Zero1 votes

Well, allow me to explain a bit more.

I have two champions. They are separate (However if people prefer I can definitely change lore and add a few things to make them into one champion).

They would be two separate in the store, and they would be completely functional WITHOUT the other one on the team.

I'll give you an example. The guy has two Passives. One of the passives only takes effect if the girl is within 1000 units of him. This passive gives him a bonus to his attack damage and attack speed as well as a shield for her. The shield of course can be destroyed and takes time to be renewed.

The other passive he has gives him stacks that enhance him, but are lost upon death.

The girl also has a passive that gives her bonus to her ability power and attack speed. She also has a passive that works without him. This passive gives her bonuses to her stats which (Just like his) are lost upon death.

They each have a passive as well that does nothing on its own but works off each other. She has "Symbiosis" which infect targets after 5 stacks have been accrued by her and on all abilities that hit enemies. This gives his abilities "Bonuses". An added effect besides the initial effect. He has "Infection". This infects the target when being hit by his abilities, not basic attacks. The infections enhance and give added bonuses to her abilities.

HOWEVER their abilities already work WITHOUT the other one being in battle and within 1000 yards.

So, they work without each other, but with each other within 1000 yards they gain bonuses as well as the addition of their Infected and Symbiosis passives that give added bonuses to their regular abilities. However, they do not need this to function.

Hope that cleared it up. They are regular champions, but together gain bonuses off of one another so they don't HAVE to be together but there is a definite benefit to being together. I just wasn't sure if this would make a good addition to league because people may think it might be too OP and it would be stupid for people not to pair them, but to me people don't HAVE to pair them. I wanted people opinions on what they think about the idea or if it isn't for league or would make the whole meta broke and league just a whole "Gotta use these two or you're screwed" thing.

I myself think they are fine, but might be seen as OP. Let me know ^_^

Nikushimi Zero1 votes

P.s. I'm still working on the lady. I haven't finished everything for her. Working on some of her skills, but before I went further on to her E and Ultimate I wanted to see if people think this would work or might be too OP.

They definitely work as separate entities, but just gain bonuses off of each other should they be within 1000 yards and attack opponents infected with a passive that does nothing without the other person, but each have passives that help without the use of them being near them or in the game with them.

So, yeah. Give me your thoughts!

antymattar1 votes

The idea is very nice, but there are a few problems with it. See the thing is, passive bonus auras(which are just stat increases) are generally considered to be bad design and rightfully so. If the passives required a certain change in gameplay or a new pattern of play for the champions, then that would be a completely different situation. Ideally though, if you wanted to make two champions who are meant ot be together, just make their kit work very well together. Alternatively consider giving them both some sort of Kalista-esque passive that interacts very well when they both set it on each other. Maybe the guy has a passive called "Guardian" or something that allows his kit to basically have special interactions with the person he decides to cast his passive on, like Kalista, and make the girl have a similar passive and then make both of their kit's special passive interactions just fit very well together. A simple "You both picked the right champs in champ select so here, have some free stats" is kinda... bad. It is one of the things that Riot specifically tries to push LOL away from - that a game can be decided in champ select.

Nikushimi Zero1 votes

Thanks for the comment and feedback!

I was afraid that might be the case so instead of releasing them to receive hate because of that I wanted to ask to see what people thought first.

See, the passive for them both is called "Devotion". Meaning devotion to each other. That's why I wouldn't want it like Kalista which could be cast on anyone.

I was afraid that having two champions who gained a passive and enhancements to their abilities from each other might be a bit too OP and or not something the league would be able to do due to the whole OPness to it.

Although, the boosts are small and start with a base. Only gaining power from their Ultimate rank. The boosts are 5/10/15/20 for both attack damage (The guy) and ability power (The girl) and 5/10/15/20% Attack speed. The shield is 50/100/150/200 (+10% Maximum Health). The shield is what is applied on the girl from the guy.

He is more of a tanky fighter support with high sustain (In a way) and she his a high end mage with support capabilities and cc. So when he is near her he protects her because of his devotion.

Also, the whole Infection and Symbiosis adds effects like damage over time, a knock back, and some damage on impact addition to what was already there, but only for each other. That's why I thought it might be too OP because for me it wouldn't work well with their lore to have any champion benefit from it.

Their whole kit is based around Swamp and Insects. The insects being a shield for her from him, and her power is more over the swamp than insects like him.

Anyways, thanks for the comment! So, league isn't exactly ready or willing for something like this. If anyone else wishes to comment I'd love to hear!

antymattar1 votes

Nah the idea is good, but you must understand how much space they would both take up. Not only are they BOTH counterable in ranked by just banning one of them, but they must BOTH be in a team. so esentially they take up twice the space in terms of strategy. I still think the idea might be good. It would be fun to see people main just the girl or the guy and be rebels about it or maybe specifically cause them both to go up against each other. The idea has potential for sure, but I still believe the interactions should be built in. I would appreciate if you still posted the concepts. You can post them in this thread if you so desire. Seeing as you seemed to work a lot on it, it wouldnt do bad to at least show it. :)

Nikushimi Zero1 votes

I just might do that. I need to finish them up of course. The guy is done. All I need for him are ability icons. For her I need to complete her E and ultimate. Then find icons and finish miscellaneous stuff like quotes and such.

They would definitely take up space, but that is of course one of their unique things. If people want that bonus (Which, it really isn't "needed" to use them or even be viable with them) then they need to talk to their team about using it or just use the normal version with no buff. This gives teams a choice of "Hey, do we want this advantage?" or not.

Also, in ranked and draft play it is possible to just ban one, but by doing that it of course doesn't make them completely useless as alone they have some good abilities and usefulness to them.

However, I have been up quite some time and need sleep. So will probably post them sometime within the next day or two. Either via this thread or alone. Until then I hope people let me know what they think and I hope I don't get hate when I do post. Hate is never good. Feedback though and conversation is.

Anyways, thanks again!

antymattar1 votes

no problem. Looking forward to it.

Nikushimi Zero1 votes

I did release them. Let me know if the passive would work or if I should just re-release without the passive since they are already good, OR if I should combine them. Not sure if you already saw them or not.

I have a way to combine them. It would involve making him a spirit guardian for her. If you read the lore I would just change it in that he was made into a spirit who now guards her. Connected by their devotion and love.

This would pretty much be making her E his E. Making his "Swarm" ability be him going forth from her in a cloud of insects dealing damage. Her Q and his Q would be mixed, and the W would probably be reworked or kept as hers. The ultimate may be changed to them being combined into a unison team or something.

Anyways, let me know! And anyone else let me know as well!

Nikushimi Zero1 votes

Zyrela, Cursed of the Swamp and Riok, Condemned of the Swamp

Nikushimi Zero1 votes

I released them. Let me know what you all think. Zyrela, Cursed of the Swamp and Riok, Condemned of the Swamp

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