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[CCCOS] December / January Results are Here!

THE RlVER KlNG··17 votes·2,130 views

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I suppose Karma is a bitch and I end up delaying this by one day because I complained so much last time. But let's do this!

First, let's announce our judges:

THE RlVER KlNG. Give yourself a free point every time I say 'Overall' or 'thematic'. Raxistaicho. The current champion who will soon be dethroned. Foodtank. A relative newcomer to the judging business but has shown some real dedication to the craft!

With the formalities completed, the winner of the Christmas-New Year CCOS is......

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Izol, the Fist of the Magnetar, by Bobo113, with a score of 269 / 330! Congratulations; it seemed us judges were attracted to your concept. (cue laugh track)

In second place, Balton, the Keeper of the Eyes by Billcurme, with a score of 262 / 330! Definitely not a waste of flesh......

In third place, Leopold, Inexorable Savant by Metal Gear Roses, with a score of 240 / 330! Be sure to link your Good Neighbor reviews next time.

In fourth place, The Tul, the People of the PIllars by God of Chicken, with a score of 239 / 330! All hail the Glory!

In fifth place, we have a tie! Kourok, the Marsh Warden by iKraytosKlayton (Sigil is very jealous right now); and Novenna, the Securitor by Skylarke, with scores of 237 / 330! Congratulations to our winners!

If you wish to view your overall score, see here. My scoresheet is here. Raxistaicho's scoresheet is here. Foodtank's scoresheet is here. We'll be here to answer your questions, or in the very least I will. Feel free to comment your thoughts below!

Echoing will have our February CCOS up ASAP with a very clear notice that you need to link your Good Neighbor reviews to have them count. If you're interested in judging, hit him up at "[email protected]", since we can always use more viewpoints here.

Remember not to take it personally if you got a low score! I don't have anything out against you, and I'm sure our other judges don't either (I think). We're trying to help you improve, and we're hoping you come back next month even better.

I hope to see you again next month!

-THE RlVER KlNG

73 Comments

Sylas Dr3gb0urn38 votes

Thanks for the post THE RlVER KlNG. Additionally, thank you to all the judges who took the time to overlook Osiris, your feedback is appreciated. I will keep in mind the issues you had and do my best on my next champion concept to work on those issues, as well as continue to bring the same level of strength on the parts you liked. Look forward to seeing you all again next month.

THE RlVER KlNG5 votes

I think Osiris was an improvement from Apuzah, but he still lacked ways to meaningfully and proactively contribute to the game outside of his pretty bonkers auras.

Next time maybe stick to a more traditional kit that is designed to lane - and stay away from auras, formswaps, and summons all on the same kit.

Sylas Dr3gb0urn34 votes

Okay, will do. Of course, you know, that's going to be hard for me, because the latter two intrigue me, and unlike Riot, I love support auras. Note: if you look at all 5 of my champion concepts, they all have auras or formswaps.

However, maybe I'll just pick one of the three (instead of combinations) and try to make it more cohesive, in light of the fact that, on average, Osiris only scored 56/110 (and that was with the good neighbor bonus).

I am going to be honest and just flat out come out and say it, I completely misunderstood the cohesive part of the judging and have a better understanding of what it means now, instead of what I thought it meant.

I pretty much got the same review on the Lore from all three judges, which was, that I need to keep a bit of a mystery to the champion instead of giving ALL the details away, so I will also keep that in mind next time. Although, in my defense, I thought that was what was expected to begin with, but now know differently.

I was going for complex, and I think I succeeded, but to my detriment and without gaining much of an appreciative audience, and getting 20/20 on novelty made me laugh, mostly because it felt more like a bad thing than a good thing. LOL. (I have a sneaky suspicion it really was)

All of the judges completely disliked that Osiris had really no where to go but support, but again in my defense, that IS INDEED where I really wanted him to be, and was only showing HOW he could do the other roles, not really saying that he SHOULD do the other roles, and I think that I kinda screwed myself by even attempting to shed light on that to begin with, as it kinda opened him up to be judged on everything BUT the support role. Which, is fine, I am not complaining. Truthfully, I would rather him be judged on the entire field and receive a low score, than to be judged on just the support role, and get a higher score, because, I think all in all, it helped me learn more about what IS expected in general, and helps me create a more cohesive champion next time. In case I do not enter a support role concept next time.

Anyway, to summarize, I definitely learned a bit about what is expected, and will try to stay true to my own ideas while warping it to the judging standards, as well as giving the champion more ability to lane.

The reviews and scores were appreciated, and a great learning experience, thank you to all three for your honest responses.

ModEchoing7 votes

I'm not going to post in that huge comment chain, so...

Can we PLEASE stop harassing each other over alts, alleged or otherwise? Please? It doesn't make a hill of beans worth of difference and it's not worth getting in a huge fight and pissing off everyone. Let's just accept that some concepts get upvoted more than others and that upvotes aren't necessarily indicative of quality and resolve to do better.

Yes, I know Skylarke gets a bunch of upvotes, but there have been other concepts with tons of upvotes - notably, there was one with an Elsa picture that vastly outstripped Skylarke's upvote count, but only stole fifth place due to a terrible judge who called everyone son, son. Having a bunch of upvotes really doesn't put you any closer to victory, since the best feedback comes from people in the contest already, who don't need upvotes to find your concept.

sneezing slug5 votes

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I'm not going to post in that huge comment chain, so...

Can we PLEASE stop harassing each other over alts, alleged or otherwise? Please? It doesn't make a hill of beans worth of difference and it's not worth getting in a huge fight and pissing off everyone. Let's just accept that some concepts get upvoted more than others and that upvotes aren't necessarily indicative of quality and resolve to do better.

Yes, I know Skylarke gets a bunch of upvotes, but there have been other concepts with tons of upvotes - notably, there was one with an Elsa picture that vastly outstripped Skylarke's upvote count, but only stole fifth place due to a terrible judge who called everyone son, son. Having a bunch of upvotes really doesn't put you any closer to victory, since the best feedback comes from people in the contest already, who don't need upvotes to find your concept.

sure thing regonas' alt

fugertech1 votes

On a totally unrelated topic: Is it alright if the lore for one of my champions doesn't necessarily fit the cannon Riot Lore? I'm just curious as He Who Shall Not Be Named seemed to have rather...let us dub them "intricate," inaccurate as that may be, lores for his champions.

I'll level with you: I'm scared that if I create little pockets of lore that someone'll get triggered.

ModEchoing3 votes

Contradicting Riot lore generally defeats the purpose.

Introducing new lore that can coexist in Riot lore is just fine. The issue with THAT GUY's lores were that A: They were copy-pasted across multiple characters (for a stupid amount of clutter, most of which was totally irrelevant anyways), and B: They had no interest in coexisting, instead trying to supplant established lore with headcanon.

As an example, trying to retcon, say, the Void as a place that ISN'T a hellhole of world-ending munching monsters would most likely see points deducted. Creating an alternative plane of origin, such as a world within a network of books, that can feasibly coexist with Riot's lore (Nasus sure has an interest in libraries...), would be acceptable.

fugertech1 votes

So having a town that existed prior to the Rune Wars, but was utterly destroyed during those events, would be fine in theory?

ModEchoing4 votes

Definitely. That part's wide open for player interpretation. It'd be a shame NOT to explore that. Again, so long as Riot's current-standing lore (at least at the time of the contest) isn't contradicted, there's no problem. When people start redefining places or taking characters out of character, there's a problem.

To illustrate a bit further:

  • "I'm the love child of Warwick and Soraka!" - Dear Lord, no. Even pretending Warwick didn't get a lore update, nothing indicates that level of closeness.

  • "I'm one of Singed's forgotten experiments before Warwick!" - A bold move, Cotton. This can work since there's enough "empty space" in Singed's timeline to fit this in, and it doesn't contradict anything by itself.

  • "I'm a biochemical monstrosity who keeps his humanity and stalks Zaun like Batman!" - Technically a lore that wouldn't get docked for contradicting anything. You'd instead get docked on other issues which might spill over to your kit and overall thematic.

  • "I'm the first King of Noxus!" - No. A quick look on the LoL wiki tells us Noxus is actually ruled by a general. Looking about two sentences afterwards tells us Boram Darkwill was general for so long, he set Noxus' general foreign policy into effect and predates Demacia. Not really much wiggle room there.

  • "I'm the son of Boram Darkwill!" - Still no. The issue here is twofold - first, that your character should canonically already have been mentioned if they were that important; second, Swain would most definitely have had you killed already, being five steps ahead.

  • "I'm Keiran Darkwill!" - Stop it, hypothetical me. Keiran is ALREADY DEAD.

  • "I'm an associate of Boram Darkwill who learned his secrets and hid away while there was a chance!" - See, this is actually reasonable, and if written in a convincing way, could be a good look into Noxus in general and High Command in specific.

  • "I'm Boram Darkwill's brother who learned all about necromancy and went into the Shadow Isles to get all the undead and - " - No actually I'mma stop you there, hypothetical me, because that lore's already as good as dead since it not only retcons a family member of Boram's, but also steps all over Mordekaiser's toes here. Good luck selling some relatively ordinary schmuck as being a better general over the legion of the damned than Mordekaiser.

  • "I'm friends with Aurelion Sol!" - I'll let Sol field this one. Sol? AurelionSol "If you ask me, we have set the bar too low for dragon friends." Thank you, Sol.

  • "I'm a spirit of death!" - Taken. Kindred has this covered in a pretty novel way that I don't think too many other forms of fiction have done.

  • "I'm a god!" - Oh dear. This is a really flaky spot to be in. Gods do exist, as Nagakabourous shows us, but having a god as a playable character requires some really good finessing with the story as to explain why they're even in peril. They'd work better as part of a backstory than as the focus.

  • "I'm the embodiment of a concept!" - Possible.

That SHOULD help explain some of the reasoning behind at least my decisions re: lore.

RocketRelm2 votes

Yeah. I think the tl:dr here is that if you're fleshing out "unsolved" pieces of lore that are otherwise empty, you're good. If you're rewriting or contradicting lore, not so much.

I know for my lore piece I'm fleshing out a little bit of personality to the dragon that hunted Shyvana's father. (unless I missed some lore updates), it's just a dragon with a meaningless cruelty streak that hassled the two of them, eventually killed her father, then ran off and got hunted deads by Shyv+J4. It's not the "champion", but as long as I don't contradict anything core to her character (hunted shyvana and father for a long time) (has an obsession with the evil of human-dragon couplings), from what I understand it should be good.

Skylarke6 votes

The only issue I have is that I'm (again) being accused of having alts. Which I don't.

Otherwise, I think this was a great CCOS. Novenna probably needed more fixing than I initially realised.

THE RlVER KlNG2 votes

Karin had 10 upvotes in her first hour of publishing. Novenna had 14 in 5.

There is not a single one of your champions that do not receive an inordinate amount of upvotes in the first few hours of their publishing (but with no comments and few views) and appear on the front page. From there they receive further exposure and increased attention.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out something is fishy.

ModEchoing5 votes

He could just have a close-knit group of friends that love his stuff.

fugertech5 votes

If a champion is liked, ain't nothing fishy about it. And no, I'm not from Texas.

I'm from Iowa.

Skylarke has some really, really good ideas. I've seen people get downvoted more than that in less than an hour. If the community likes or dislikes something, they're going to slap on an upvote.

Or what Echoing said. Think of it like this: You dislike it when people hate on your reviews (calling them needless hate and the like), so why keep saying that Skylarke absolutely has alts? I'm not even on the receiving end and it's honestly kinda annoying.

As for the comment on my post; I know. I'm really bad about wanting champions to do lots of things and fill their roles well. If I have an idea for an ability, I most likely implemented it somehow in the kit. I'll try to make my champions not do as many things or have so many effects. Maybe next month's entry will net me a spot in the top 5, who knows?

Anywho, I'm still gonna wish you the best of luck in your life endeavors. You mentioned something about going to a college for linguistics, if I can recall correctly? If you're still doing then, then good luck. From what I've heard, college isn't easy :)

Stay frosty.

THE RlVER KlNG3 votes

Show me another poster in CaC whose every post is upvoted to 10+ within two hours, consistently and without fail, and then goes on to the front page. Skylarke puts time into her champions and they are rarely horrendously over or underpowered but they aren't so special as to be instant wins within the first few hours. The only person who has ever been downvoted in equal proportion is regonas, and that is because people usually just saw his name and downvoted because his concepts are legitimately terrible and anti-fun (he holds the record for the lowest CCOS score ever). No one gets 10 downvotes in an hour, so please back up your claim with some evidence.

fugertech5 votes

I mean, I didn't see anyone recently who'd been down voted that fast. I just remember an earlier venture into the boards where someone's post legitimately had around 10 downvotes within the 2 hour mark. I could try searching for it, but I doubt I'd remember A) the name or B) be able to find it.

I didn't mean to come off as mean, so I apologize if I came off like that. Just understand that stating Skylarke has alts doesn't necessarily mean she does or will ever admit to them (in the event that statement holds truth).

And yeah. I may or may not have looked into some Regonas stuff and I fully understand why everyone hates him. I hate him too and I never had to deal with him.

Uh...guess that's really it. I'll apologize if I did a thing and done anybody an upset. Quick note though; mind dropping me a link to that lowest CCOS score? I really want to see just how badly he did.

fugertech6 votes

NEVERMIND I FOUND THE LOWEST SCORE

ModEchoing9 votes

It's a thing of equal parts beauty and horror.

fugertech4 votes

Oh yeah, and I love the comment you made on Haunted. You seem like a really, really chill person. Too bad circumstances dictated we meet on a community boards for a popular game. Almost woulda preferred real life.

Same goes for lots of the people in the CCOS.

But I started this comment about Regonas so I might as well finish it whilst dealing with him. Thank god he ceased to post. Amen.

Skylarke5 votes

At this point I'm basically getting the idea that you don't like the idea that my ideas are popular.

Of course increased exposure will mean that there will be more upvotes, because it's easy for people to see that piece of content. It's likely then that they might upvote even by sheer law of big numbers. It's just how exposure on the internet works. It's why the first 24 hours is the most important for any Youtube video, and why the first week is most important for video game sales. Threads are no different.

Right now you just sound like you're being petty, all while I try to remember what happened to the last person who accused me of having alts.

Sylas Dr3gb0urn36 votes

I was accused of having alts as well (although for an entirely different reason that I won't go into because it is not relevant and because I really just don't care to go down that line of thinking again).

However, here is the truth of the matter: Either you do have alts or you don't. If you don't, say it once that you don't have alts and move on, because if you don't, then those who are accusing you of having them are either delusional or have false ideas of grandeur, which you can't help or fix. If you do, then either admit it or don't. Either way, in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't change score or individual reviews. All having an alt and up-voting yourself does is create a false illusion for yourself of the truth of the matter.

In other words, it doesn't really matter and don't get sucked into an argument over something that is meaningless.

THE RlVER KlNG2 votes

No one gets ten up votes in an hour, especially not with no comments and <50 views, especially not in Concepts and Creations, and especially not on a weekday afternoon (which is when Karin was published) when a good 60% of the boards community (probably more for CoC) is in school or at work. Even moreso, no one does it 4 times in a row.

Either deny it outright and be a liar or own up to it.

Skylarke7 votes

And...your argument would have substantiation if all of them have very similar amounts of upvotes. Which they don't. So unless you're implying I have a huge of fair-weather friends or an abruptly changing number of alt accounts, your argument has no substance. I finally remembered who I was mentioning by the way. It was Regonas. Curious, what happened to him. If only I knew what his ultimate fate was.

And if you do require a substantive statement so be it. I don't have alts. So please take your bias and false correlations and go join Trump's press team. I hear they're hiring.

THE RlVER KlNG2 votes

Thinly veiled threats won't get you far in life. You can't just pull the regonas card everytime someone notices you gaming your way to the front page - and I am not the only one to do so.

By the way, at least I have an argument. Saying that 'they all have a different number of upvotes' is a moot point. Karin and Novenna both received similar levels of early upvotes and then got to the front page, where they received attention. It doesn't matter if they have different final upvote scores when they both received 10-12 in the first couple of hours.

Yours consists of calling mine unsubstantiated, changing the topic to something I never said, and denying something that is plainly obvious. Which reminds me a lot more of Donald Trump than trying to call someone out on a childish practice.

Skylarke5 votes

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Thinly veiled threats won't get you far in life. You can't just pull the regonas card everytime someone notices you gaming your way to the front page - and I am not the only one to do so.

I only pull it out because it's directly relevant.

By the way, at least I have an argument. Yours consists of calling mine unsubstantiated, changing the topic to something I never said, and denying something that is plainly obvious.

I never said you said it. Merely the implication, which you don't seem to be denying. Your argument consists of you saying I have alts because of an anecdotal, unsubstantiated story and because...because. As far as I know, I haven't changed the topic, merely linked it to an issue which bears significant similarity.

If anything, your attempt to say I was changing the topic was an attempt at changing the topic, from which you would lead me into a debate regarding the nature of the topic changing and the details forthwith.

Which reminds me a lot more of Donald Trump than trying to call someone out on a childish practice.

And yet you retain a stubborn mindset despite the lack of correlation, deny what is easily refuted, and craft a conspiracy in which I, the grand master, have absolutely nothing to gain if said conspiracy were to succeed. So you are right. Nothing adds up.

THE RlVER KlNG2 votes

You have everything to gain. You use a cheap and lazy tactic to artificially increase the attention your threads gain. I have plenty of evidence. Not one of your champions have gone without receiving an inordinate amount of upvotes in a relatively unpopular subboard (within 1-2 hours) and then reach the front page. It's astonishing that you think this okay and that you can continue to do so without someone challenging you for it.

And end with the Donald Trump allusions. I voted HIllary and I led my neighborhood chapter at the Women's March last Saturday.

BowieTheNifty5 votes

So I am a bit unsure of what caused this argument to commence in the first place. If a person gets up-votes on a concept, well then hey they get them. Attention is one thing, but what does it do in the end? Mainly all that we as concept creators want is recognition and feedback. This way we could improve our concepts. How we get the feedback shouldn't exactly matter too much. The CCOS is a great place for it, because it is an organized place for concepts. Though we would want feedback from members outside the CCOS as well. Truth is that is rather difficult to get noticed on the board due to all the skin/steam/video threads that come along. Honestly if he has a tactic to get notice for his concept then let him do it. Maybe perhaps when he posts his concepts that it is during high traffic hours on the board. One thing is that I am disappointed to actually be reading this. There was little to no point to lash out and start this argument here. Usually I don't jump into these sort of things, but being a decently long contributor to the CCOS I would not like to see it get spoiled by such things. Especially when they are as trivial as this.

ARIATaoSkyshroud6 votes

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So I am a bit unsure of what caused this argument to commence in the first place. I would not like to see it get spoiled by such things. Especially when they are as trivial as this.

Did a bit of research and I think I found your answer. The comment on the Good Neighbor bonus is what caused it:

THE RlVER KlNG's Rubric:

Novenna, the Securitor Score: 70 / 110 by Skylarke

Good Neighbor Bonus:+10 Congrats on 5th, but using alts to game your way to the front page is low. You did it with Karin, and I would strongly advise that you do not continue to do so. I gave you one extra point so that you would tie with Kourok when I found Leopold to be in 3rd place. Be thankful for that.

Which then prompted Skylarke to, understandably, get defensive about it, and the rest is here on the boards, unlinked, for the whole world (Like myself) to see.

THE RlVER KlNG2 votes

If you are fine with someone abusing the system to receive attention that they don't deserve then I cannot help you.

There's no point in protesting an injustice if everyone seems to go along with it I suppose. I love it when I put in so much time and effort for the benefit of you all but you are perfectly content to go along with something that is painfully obvious and extremely unprofessional - perpetrated by someone I went out of my way to accomodate for in this CCOS.

ARIATaoSkyshroud4 votes

He got Fifth place. Not from votes, but from scores. Part of which was a score YOU personally gave him. So, realistically, if he did have alts, and upvoted himself, are you saying the upvotes had anything to do with your scoring? Or do you hold to that your scoring was based solely off the review, its strengths and weaknesses you gave? Because, not only did he receive a lot of votes, but he still placed fifth. And I am led to believe ONE did NOT affect the other. Yet, BOTH happened.

You have zero proof that he has alts, yet you continue to claim that he does. You accused my friend and I of being one and the same person, and then after checking OP.GG and seeing that we played together quite frequently, that in fact we were friends and not one and the same person. Could it be that you are wrong yet again? Because as it stands, the ONLY evidence you have is that he got a lot of votes and attention within the first hour of his post being put up on the boards. And I am sorry, but when you are trying to CONVICT someone of something, That is just NOT enough substantial evidence. That is the point He Skylarke, My friend New Support Meta, Fugertech, Bowie, and myself are trying to make.

Seriously, dude, everytime you post on here, you just sound more and more paranoid and more and more psychologically damaged. Just stick to judging and posting concepts, and do it with tact and respect. All this extra nonsense makes us readers tired and weary.

Sylas Dr3gb0urn36 votes

Bowie, I agree this whole thing has really gotten out of control. Skylarke, if you have alts, just suck it up and admit it, and if you don't DROP IT AND GET OVER IT.... What does it matter if ONE person thinks you have alts if you don't?

As for you, THE RlVER KlNG: We all appreciate the time and effort that you took to do the judging, and to host the CCOS. And I, PERSONALLY, appreciate the fact that, despite our previous issues, that you not only let me enter the contest, and with a new champion, but that you (from what I can tell, were not biased against me, and if you were, it wasn't noticable.) And because by your own words, I feel like I made a friend out of you. But unless you know Skylarke in person, I agree with all the other people above us, "Getting too many up votes in a small amount of time directly after posting" is just not enough evidence to even accuse someone let alone (as Tao said) convict them. Sure, it's (marginally) unfair if hes getting slightly more attention, because of upvotes. But as Echoing told me on my champion concept, listen to the people who put meaningful thought and feedback into the statements, not those who just say a sentence or two and upvote or downvote. So if he is gaining more attention based off of upvotes, most of the upvotes after mean very little to nothing, if it was not attached with meaningful feedback. In fact, it's crippling. That being said, IF HE IS UPVOTING his champions, the injustice is to HIMSELF, not to the rest of us, Not just because he's living in a delusional fantasy land, where his upvotes are fake, but because we are all really only competing with ourselves, not anyone else, even if it is a contest against other creators.

The real contest is: Did I make a better champion than I did last time? Because truthfully, It doesn't matter if someone else made a better concept than me. If the last concept John Doe made, scored a 3/110 and the next one scored a 30/110 and the one after that scored a 70/110 and each and every time John Doe improved and was last place in all three contests, and If Janice Doe scored 85/110 consecutively in all three contest that John Doe entered and took 3rd place each time, then who was the real winner? Janice Doe who didn't improve her 85 after scoring and feedback or John Doe who did? Attention means nothing if you don't or can't do anything with it. Let him cripple himself if has alts. And if he doesn't have alts, then you are wasting your time making false accusations for nothing, and looking silly and upset over nothing on the boards.

And as for you Tao, tone it down man. Don't be the very thing you are trying to stand up against.

As for me, I personally appreciate all the feedback that I received, including the negative feedback. And even found some of the comments humorous. And I plan to enter next months contest stronger than I was this time and seeing as I personally don't want to end this contest where I started it, (on a bad note), seeing as the experience itself was a GOOD note, I think that we should all just leave it on THIS note below: GOOD JOB! WELL DONE EVERYONE (contestants and judges alike)! SEE YOU ALL IN NEXT MONTHS CCOS, STRONGER AND FIERCER than This month.

BowieTheNifty5 votes

Now idea how long I have been waiting for this. Literally like forever xD. Still I have to be thankful for all the feedback that was given to Drifter. Learned a few things about what people are expecting for lore, even though I tried something and it didn't exactly work too well. Ether way I always like being apart of the CCOS. Hopefully my next entry could do a bit more, or perhaps I will judge. Depends on how my next batch of concepts come along. Pretty good amount of entries for this time, it was a pleasure to read the ones I did. So thanks for hosting this time around THE RlVER KING.

THE RlVER KlNG2 votes

Drifter was one of my favorites who didn't place. Him, Roxanne, and Adrian I think could have been winners in their own right with some work. Good luck next time!

BowieTheNifty3 votes

I'm glad you enjoyed it. Heck I have a lot more concepts in my back logs that will be coming out soon. Just even released another one within the last week, if anyone wishes to check it out. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/skin-champion-concepts/EEFXe4km-champion-concept-soygrea-curator-of-the-brood Though are you going to be hosting the next CCOS as well?

Arakadia5 votes

I've never won one of these yet, probably because I haven't entered all that many and I definitely need more experience, but I love this contest. And it gives some fantastic feedback, even if some of it I disagree with.

Raxistaicho4 votes

It's a good learning experience

fugertech5 votes

Your concepts are really good. I've begun to compare my own creations to the likes of others who have posted great ideas like yours just to see if I can stand on par.

This month with Hush, I think I just kinda needed a break.

And hey, if you ever want even more feedback, then feel free to gimme a holler using whatever method you can. I'm always happy to give my two cents, even if sometimes I can be an asshole lol.

Arakadia5 votes

Ohhw. Thanks! :3

I'll keep you in mind, and be glad to make a detailed review for any of your concepts.

Hush didn't seem all that bad in theory. He had alot going on to make him feel thematic, with his Patience, Adrenaline, tons of different buffs, and changes. I think it was just too many buffs. Some of the judges disliked how he felt too similar to old Kog'Maw, but unlike old Kog'Maw, I think Hush would be much healthier. Remove Hush's increased vision, or reduce it to onle targets he wounds, and maybe keep his base MS low so he is quite prone to flanks. A sniper in general, would be killed most likely due to a flanking group of enemies.

I don't even think all that much of Hush would need reworking. To be honest, remove some features, give him something to fall back on, and your in a much better shape. And great job on the theme, like you really delivered on the theme.

You know what to do, but don't get discouraged from Hush. He's probably healthier than a good chunk/handful of Rito's squad.

EDIT: And thank you! I hate when people create uninteresting names/titles. The Patient Restitution is way more interesting that something like "The Loaded Gun". And Hush is way more interesting that "Jack" or "Brandon".

Billcurme4 votes

Wow. I never expected to get above top 10. Kinda overwhelming. Well, time to buckle down and polish the champ further!

Cheers, can't wait for the next contest,

-Billcurme-

Ýones4 votes

Ah, fifth place. I'm quite happy.

I don't like writing lores.

CRYOATIC014 votes

Wow. okay thats a point of view i havent considered. thanks for the advice guys! im going to try and change delyora to a single kit champion with the w passive his main passive and work from there. if you have any ideas, please tell me! im thinking about having each ability be a different weapon, fixes him more securly in the blacksmith niche that ive been so desperately trying to convey. also, if i change him that much, will i be able to enter him in the next ccos considering he is practically a different champion all around? It might be a bit difficult, all of you judges had VERY different views on each part of Delyora. quite a predicament i suppose

THE RlVER KlNG2 votes

Yeah I laughed when I saw Raxi gave you a such a high score and I remembered my own; the disconnect was funny

fugertech3 votes

Alright so first off, I want to state a few things and I'm gonna list 'em.

  1. I fully accept every score I got. Thanks to all the judges (Raxi, King, and now Foodtank) for giving me such good feedback and scoring me appropriately. I enjoy receiving good feedback almost as much as I love giving it.

  2. I may or may not have given feedback on other CCOS champs (I honestly can't remember at this point). I never included links for any that I may have done because I wanted to focus all of my efforts on working on something other than Hush.

Uhh...that's kinda it for deep thoughtful statements I guess. Good job to everyone who placed high on the CCOS; congrats especially to the top 5. I hope to see everyone for next month's contest; I'll be back and working on things then, so maybe I'll actually place this time hehe...

THE RlVER KlNG4 votes

I think your main problem is that your champions are pretty overloaded. They always have a ton of effects on each ability (thinking of Rivel here too). Your ideas are interesting but work on smoothing up your execution.

RocketRelm2 votes

Well, I still made it into the top ten, despite it seeming like none of the judges terribly liked my champion. It sure was a fun process though, for a lot of separate reasons. I've already got something made up for next month, which I feel has a concrete pair of gameplay patterns.

Congratulations to everyone else, though.

Ýones2 votes

This was a nice contest. Heck, all months have been great and I've learned a lot since I joined the CCOS the first time. If this contest didn't exist, I wouldn't probably be doing any concepts right now. Thanks Echoing and River King for keeping the contest alive.

Bobo1132 votes

Wow - I honestly didn't think I would ever land 1st place with one of my champions! This was a huge surprise!

I apologize for coming back to this a little later than I would have liked, but alas. I can't thank THE RLVER KLNG, Raxistaicho or Foodtank enough for this opportunity - it is a lot of work to pool through these creations. I hope I can be a part of the next CCOS - these have all been a lot of fun!

sneezing slug1 votes

Congratulations to everyone that participated this month, I hope to see you again in the next one!

On another note, could we have a Legacy CCOS sometime? For champions that were once already submitted into a CCOS at one point and have been improved upon since their first entry? It would be neat to see how far some people have come with their concepts since then. Could have it happen during the same month as a normal CCOS so that new people interested in submitting concepts would still be able to participate in the normal CCOS that month.

Just a stray thought ;P

THE RlVER KlNG2 votes

That's a good idea, we could do that one month sometime.

Viatus will return!

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