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AP Assassins SHOULDN'T Be Mages

Lïghtkeeper·6/3/2019, 5:14:06 AM·2 votes·1,677 views

AD Assassins get Lethality items focusing their stealth and mobility with an EXTRA punch to their attacks (Hi, Duskblade) and even cover from hostile spells (Oh hey EoN). AP Assassins get access to Mage items, so sure they get Banshee's veil, but. What good is MR against an AD assassin. Or a spellshield against a Luden's.

AP Assassin's should have item options built around penetration, and Mages should be the ones stacking high AP values. They're MAGES. Katarina doesn't cast magic, Akali doesn't cast magic, LeBlanc. Ok well she needs some more help anyway. Fizz is just splashy. None of these characters use magic, but they have to build the same AP items that Mages do. It doesn't feel right. And if you're thinking, more magic penetration will just make Mages busted, look. Mages are already in a great spot right now and they can all one shot you. That Luden's shift helped a lot. But it hurt the Assassins. Akali and Kat namely who don't benefit from Mana. Even Lich Bane on Akali feels like wasted gold because, yes, even though it flows in her kit, it builds from a Mana item. Mana, widely recognized in every fantasy game ever as a character's resource to cast spells. Which AP Assassin's don't do. They dash, and blink, and throw knives, and feed you to sharks. Evelynn I see you, too.

So Lower base damage values on Mages and increase their AP Ratios to reinforce that class. Up base values for Assassins so they can stack penetration to annihilate that Marksman like they're supposed to. The only middle ground between the classes should be Void Staff, Rylai's Crystal Scepter, and Zhonya's Hourglass.

Ideas:

New Core Item: Ceremonial Blade (Amplifying Tome + Amplifying Tome) - +X AP, +Unique 10 Magic Penetration , + X Out of combat Movement Speed. Builds into:

Lich Bane: (Ceremonial Blade + Blasting Wand) - +X AP, +15 Magic Penetration, + X OoC movement speed - After using an ability, your next auto attack will deal X magic damage on-hit.

New Blood Moon's Claim: (Ceremonial Blade + Fiendish Codex) +X AP, + CDR, + 15 Penetration, + OoC movement speed - After using a dash, blink, teleport, etc. your next ability against an enemy champion will deal 20% bonus true damage. (Most mages cannot access this item. Protobelt should not be able to proc this)

New Shadow's Grace: (Ceremonial Blade + Ruby Crystal + Null-Magic Mantle) +X AP, + X HP, +X MR + OoC movement speed - After a takedown, gain a spellshield for 2 seconds and 30% decaying movement speed for the duration. (Their ticket to getting out after an all in, or an incentive to keep going/Made Unique from Banshee's Veil).

5 Comments

DuskDaUmbreon6/3/2019, 5:48:39 AM5 votes

The thing is...How do you encourage AP assassins to go with these items instead of regular mage items? And how do you discourage mages from going with these items?

AP-users in general don't have a lot of incentive to go with other things. ADCs and AD Divers are both AD-users, but they build vastly differently because they do different things and require different stats.

Mages and AP assassins, in most instances, just want to burst, and they both want mpen and AP for that, while picking up CDR and a single mana item (for most). They want the same stats and they do the same things, so how do you encourage them to not build the same items?

And keep in mind - Locking off items from certain champions isn't an option. Riot doesn't like doing that and it feels like shit because even if a certain item would be really great for this instance you're physically not allowed to get it.

And, specifically about the high base values...what stops them from going full tank then?

Cind3rkick6/3/2019, 9:18:52 AM1 votes

Mana, widely recognized in every fantasy game ever as a character's resource to cast spells. Which AP Assassin's don't do.

And Darius does cast spells? He has mana

Jinx is very obviously a spellcaster, why she has mana!

Also... Prices would be very important with these items.. 2 amplifying tomes and? How much?

For Ap, Magic pen AND movespeed

item 3020 gives 18 magic pen and movespeed with a cost of 1100

item 3916 is 20 magic pen, 20 ap and 200 health for 1600

Would you really want people to be able to rush a combination of these 3 and be able to ignore all the magic resist anyone but a tank would buy?

Also just another quick thing I noticed Ezreal with new lichbane and blood moons charm would end up 1 hitting people.

Jax even could abuse the items with all of his jumps.

boricCentaur16/3/2019, 3:18:40 PM1 votes

Fun fact for the majority of the game ap assassins have more pen because it is flat pen.

Like burst mages and ap assassins are really similar so they would use the same items.

Also do you actually know what a assassin is? Like the difference between a mage and a assassin is how to play not scale like kassadin is a assassin but a late game assassin.

T2K Baka6/3/2019, 3:53:14 PM1 votes

Katarina is so annoying to play sometimes, she used to be able to go ludens, but now that has 600 mana which is a waste. She is forced to go gunblade and zonyas in every game. She needs to be buffed and have gunblade removed. While she is laning for that item, she is so bad, she is sad to watch struggling to get gb, but when she does, she gets some stupid fkin powerspike. You HAVE to rush it, it doesn't give her much of a build path even tho she has hybrid scaling. Fk gunblade, remove it and buff kat.