And just when I thought about how cool it could be with a plated fighter with a spear....
http://i.imgur.com/1GlDRTI.jpg
This is just too good to not be made into a champion. According to RIOT, these are "demacian raptors", raptor riders. I just can't stop thinking about ideas to what abilities it could have and... AAHHHH!!! RIOT MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS A CHAMPION!!!
Stars Shaper3 votesHe/She (but I want it to be a he) should throw spears of holy energy and be able to joust as core mechanic.
Final Spark Lux7 votesThat would be magic though, which isn't allowed in Demacia. They'd end up being exiled.
Edit: I make one comment and I get all these peoples talking to me <3
rawiazam11 votes[{quoted}](name=Final Spark Lux,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=2wEWYVz0,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-07-24T18:06:35.578+0000)
That would be magic though, which isn't allowed in Demacia. They'd end up being exiled.
it doesn't have to be magic, he could be a bruiser.
Final Spark Lux5 votesTrue, I was just referring to the "spears of holy energy* part specifically. I know a thing or 2 about Demacia and it's magic laws...mostly because my brother and not because I myself have magical powers. I'm just your ordinary every day Demacian with no magical powers at all what-so-ever...
;D
Stars Shaper2 votesFrom the universe map, Demacians believe in divine powers (they "baptize" their armors in holy waters) and Kayle is from Demacia now and is an Ascended Demacian even, lots of holy magic in here.
Thefrostyviking1 votesWe have no idea what timeperiod kayle is from though.
Could be that she is native and the Demacia we know are just immigrant war refugees who took over the lands during the founding.
After all, magic ascended doesnt mesh well with people who hate magic with a passion.
Holy? If that was a argument then Lux would get through, her ability is light after all, but she doesnt as far as we know.
Stars Shaper1 votesHoly magic isn’t just shining but has healing and buffing properties. Lux magic is light, yes, but light in the sense of the visible electromagnetic waves.
Indeed we still don’t know if Kayle is from Demacia or just lives there, but in case she is Demacian by birth then we know for sure that Divine “magic” is something which Demacians feel to be right (Ascension morphs you in a way that depends from your ideals and beliefs, if Demacian wouldn’t want anything to do with Holy “magic” then Kayle would have been a warrior only character like Renekton).
Maisanai1 voteswe don't know what shape kayle will be in after her rework though. her current lore is not canon, so she may be something/someone different than before.
Stars Shaper1 votesShe will keep the angelic warrior theme and I can’t really see that realized without some sort of holy magic bound to it.
Maisanai1 votessource on that? Just doesn't seem to fit on the current lore is all.
Thefrostyviking1 votesCome to think off it we have nothing saying that they dont have some strange religion or are completely united in their thoughts about magic.
We only know they dislike magic overall and thats it, but it could very well be that some of them have some manner of magic types they deem to be "good".
Stars Shaper1 votesIt would make sense with Swain taunt to Garen which still isn’t really clear.
Thefrostyviking1 votesGaren ult is definitely 100% magic, i mean, giant sword of light falling from the sky outa nowhere? Suspiciously like Lux´s giant lightbeam.
His W is also highly questionable, it reduces his damage taken all around and the effects of CC.
Feels borderline like some variation of lux´s W.
Further considerations to the point that they are siblings and if magic runs in the family.....
And if Garen gets away with that chances are they have some rather weird definitions of what is magic and what isnt.
Stars Shaper1 votesIt's been stated that Garen ult isn't lore accurate (menaing that he doesn't have it in lore) and that his W is just a sort of effect derived by him acting courageous.
Antelath1 votes[{quoted}](name=Final Spark Lux,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=2wEWYVz0,comment-id=0000000100000000,timestamp=2018-07-24T18:12:35.200+0000)
True, I was just referring to the "spears of holy energy* part specifically. I know a thing or 2 about Demacia and it's magic laws...mostly because my brother and not because I myself have magical powers. I'm just your ordinary every day Demacian with no magical powers at all what-so-ever...
;D
Holy/Light is the embodiment of Justice and Righteousness, I doubt that they would see it as a Bad Thing.
Du Ma Mi1 votesThey got really nervous with the whole lux thing tho
Then again, what exactly is Garen's ultimate?
Knightmere3 votesBut their steel, (demacian steel), is said to have magical properties...
Final Spark Lux1 votesI recall it having ANTI - magical properties. Idk where you heard / read that tbh. If you have a source can you link plz? :3
Here's a source of them admitting they were hinting at anti-magical steel https://youtu.be/pxjiCFo0NZM?t=2m57s
Knightmere1 votesyea, but that in itself is a magical trait
Final Spark Lux1 votesCan you provide a source to back those claims? As far as I'm aware. something doesn't need to be magical to have anti-magical properties, and I've honestly never seen a source indicating otherwise in this situation.
Knightmere1 votesyeeeeeeeeaaaaa, I am just stating what u have stated... just added that anti-magic can be looked at as something magical, but as far as I am awere, there was only mentioned when the new demacia summoner icon was released so I guess it is to find at demacia lore, but the information concerning demacian steel is already very vague... It only said that demmacian steel was like normal steel, but that the environment it was gathered from (demacia) was magic repelling and soldiers wearing demacian armor therefore got a bit magic resistance...
But when something can't be scientifically explained, it is often just called "magic", and thats why there are magical properties to demacian steel. It was NEVER STATED BY RIOT that it had, only magic repelling, but they never gave a full good explaination to why it was, and what they said just sounded like "there was something special with the environment", something that actually sounds like magic itself, but I guess it would be confusing to look at it that way...
SEKAI2 votes[{quoted}](name=Final Spark Lux,realm=NA,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=2wEWYVz0,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-07-24T18:06:35.578+0000)
That would be magic though, which isn't allowed in Demacia. They'd end up being exiled.
And they would be.
Then at some point, Demacia would be invaded, with Lux heading out to seek the exiled knight.
She said "Look to my coming at first light on the 5th day. At dawn."
When the kingdom of Demacia is at its last legs, Lux returned on dawn of the 5th day, with a horn sound that would echo forever.
Lux would stand on the hill top and say "Demacia fights alone."
And the knight would emerge, saying "Not alone." And charges forward.
....
/copyright takedown.
Stars Shaper1 votesGaren ult though.
While ofc being 100% lore accurate is a plus, we already have a gameplay = noncanon standard.
Chembaron Yamada3 votesThis isnt about gameplay, but thematic. There is no need to let him throw light energyspears in the game, if the same effect can get accomplished by letting him just throw regular spears.
Gameplaywise, the spears being made out of light doesn't fulfill any purpose.
SEKAI2 votesThis isnt about gameplay, but thematic. There is no need to let him throw light energyspears in the game, if the same effect can get accomplished by letting him just throw regular spears.
Haven't you heard, the "rule of cool"?
Gameplaywise, the spears being made out of light doesn't fulfill any purpose.
Can be fixed by adding additional purposes, like if strike the ground it goes flashbang or some shit. Who knows. Let's of ways to play around ideas.
Stars Shaper1 votesThey can be simple metal spears (as the one he is wielding) with holy-lightning effects, there is no need of making them of pure light.
WacingTheFind3 votesNot magic, just justice.
FilDaFunk1 votes
?
What happened to her?
Final Spark Lux1 votesNothing happened. I'm a perfectly ordinary, normal, non-magical Demacian with absolutely no magical abilities at all what so ever. I work with a charitable organization where I help others without using magic because I totally don't have any.
Nervous laugh
Dokueki Kenshin1 votesWait, though. They still have that secret order for magic-wielding warriors, the one that pretty much was the only thing from Garen hacking his dear little sister’s head off with a broadsword. They use magic to hunt down and destroy dark magic.
rawiazam13 votes[{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=A8FQeEA8,discussion-id=2wEWYVz0,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-24T18:03:24.571+0000)
He/She (but I want it to be a he) should throw spears of holy energy and be able to joust as core mechanic.
"by the name of jesus" throws garen's ult sword
NocaNoha3 votesA slight issue might be that Quinn is already in the position of such champion.. the Demacian cooperation with wildlife? haha
Also, am not sure how would the champion move around, I mean.. sitting on a big bird and throwing spears while moving a bit left/bit right seems out of place for such a warrior and mounting/dismounting is already on Quinn with a different type of "bird"
He/she would have to move constantly at a higher speed to justify the theme.. and I don't think that would go along well with the league mechanics xd
Maybe rework Quinn into this type of warrior? :D
ChemicalBuster3 votesThey'd probably remove the helmet to give the champ more character.
Häxel3 votesas i saw it i thought: huh, quinn seems to admiring them and be like them one day. Or she is a special unit from this squat.
Knightmere1 votesPersonally, I dont think quinn share much with the "demacian raptors" except from the fact that she is from demacia and has a bird... Quinn is a marksman and a scout, who can seek out enemy positions fast and one who can attack in a blink of an eye before retrieving/falling back. When I see the "demacian raptors" I think more about a kind of cavalry. Something bigger, tougher, better armored, and something with much more mass that can deliver heavier charges. On the other hand, it can't be too heavy, or it wouldnt be able to fly, but demacian steel is light so that shouldnt be a problem...
Again; I think of the raptors as cavalry, with long spears that can pierce enemies it charges down or stab infantry from the height if its eagle(?), or just use the benefit of heaving a long weapon to attack other people from a distance (not throwing, that would better fit light cavalry, something I dont think this should be)
Häxel1 votesi mean, an airforce is an airforce. Even if there are diffrent units like scouts and main force ("cavalry") or in our system battle helicopters, jets, bombers etc: it all belogns to the airforce. And a pilot from a lesser rang can advace and become someday a pilot of one of the most admired planes. And thats what quinn is, she flys with valor threw the map and valoran.
what is your idea of a cavalry, especially ingame? So that someone sits on a dragon similar to how kled sits skaarl, sejuani on her boar or nunu on willump? Well considering that we already have quite some riders, lol is more of a 2d game so flying characters don't add much in realityand even if this dragonrider works with diffrent abilitys, the abilitys would probably similar to how quinn already feels with jumping lightly threw the air (this is cause old quinn also could do the same abilities with valor).
So yea, i personaly think such a character wouldn't add much and would be boring. Its jsut another archtype of military force, we have plenty of that and plenty unused too, many of the ununsed probably for good reason as it is just for storytellign to let the comunity show the wide of difrent stuff.
Knightmere2 votesAccording to you it would be boring to add another flying champion or another riding champion when we already have, like 2-5 who do the same? Well, wouldn't it be even more boring to add another champion who just walks... we already have over 100 of them... So what is your point? [sg-lux-2]
And I said cavalry, because that is a "medieval term", because there were only infantry, cavalry and artillery before and no airplanes or flying knights (suprising, right?), and a flying raptor sure isn't infantry or artillery, but it is a mounted warrior...
My idea on cavalry that already exist ingame, would indeed be something like kled or sejuani. Kled is the cantankerous cavalier, so cavalry. In game it doesnt have to make a difference wether its mounted or flying or not at all, just look at sejuani... But that would be boring indeed. But a really nice solution to the problem is just to go back to what cavalry actually is and what it is used for and take the essence or keypoints from it:
[sg-jinx]
Cavalry is fast moving, unlike infantry and artillery (surprise!)
Mounted soldiers have an advantage of being higher off the ground: while enemy infantry can hardly reach up to their knees with swords, a mounted warrior can easily reach for their heads... but 1 footman vs 1 cavalryman still has the advantage, so why have a lone rider in the first place? Point3:
Flanking. Cavalry is extremely good at flanking. THe champ could have a passive somewhat similar to fiora passive or shaco's backstab: u deal more damage to the flanks or back of an enemy. this could be achieved by the demacian raptor by having a form of jousting, (yes, I know
).
Cavalry charges, especially from shock Cavalry, have the ability to just neglect whatever armour the enemy is wearing. Even if their weapons doesn't pierce their armor, the footmen would suffer great injuries, some of them as blunt impact trauma. Ingame it could so easy as to just let the rider to deal true damage when charging.
but there are just so many possibilities... [sg-lux] Hard to cover them all
Chillee2 votesquinn kinda fills the demacian bird niche. But, if he RIDES the bird, he'd just be Sir Kled.
Knightmere1 votessoo, if a new champion rides anything at all, its just kled or quinn? Then what about sejuani? And Rumble? <3*[sg-ezreal]*
Chillee2 votesSejuani is from Freljord and rides a giant boar-like beast. Rumble is in a mech. Quinn is demacian and has a bird companion. Sir Kled wields a long weapon and rides a bird. Riot creates new champions and tries to make them unique as possible, a champion with the traits demacian and bird companion are already filled with Quinn. and an armor-clad knight on a bird aesthetic is filled with sir Kled. I never said any champion that rides something is automatically Kled or Quinn.
Knightmere1 votesWell, I certainly thought the demacian raptors was something of itself (nothing like quinn or kled), and with the last hope and trust I have in Riot Games, I honestly believe that the demacian raptors can fit a unique role in Runeterra.
Chillee1 votesYou trust Riot? They are destroying themselves. The only saving grace is reworks.
Knightmere1 votesWell, I said "with the last hope and trust", which means I only barrely, or better said: I wish I could trust them...
Jackom12 votesIt made me think of quinn and valor being reworked into a knight on a demacian raptor. Of course it'd be a totally different champion, but since Quinn is already taken around by Valor...
Roren from LAS2 votesI thought the same, i just love that armour, looks fancy [slayer-pantheon-rainbows]
SennaFirstPick2 voteswe can make quinn like him tho
Mokuto Bunshi1 votesRaptor+Spear+Fighter....
OH I KNOW!!!
Knightmere1 votesexcept I am only good at fighting with an axe
on my lizard... (raptors are not lizards, mate. Stay in school)
Knightmere1 votesso I am more like:
Lizard + axe + fighter
But there are alot of fighters, so the last one doesn't really matter that much...
Mokuto Bunshi1 votesSKARL IS TOO A RAPTOR! https://media.giphy.com/media/AP9VpWsOjpkDm/giphy.gif HE/SHE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE ARMS!!!
/s :P
