I wanted to make a post about the tribunal, but I'm not sure which sub-comm I should make it in. Suggestions?
Also, is my comfusion because I'm silly, or because we need a new sub-comm?
@Tamat (also, who else should I be tagging here?)
edit: typo unintentional, but left intact because puns OP
December 2015 edit: aaaand done
MackleDoge1 votesI imagine if there isn't a specific sub-community that jumps out screaming "Put your post here!" then you should probably just put it in Miscellaneous. The problem with repeatedly introducing new sub-communities is that you could end up with the current issue on GD, which is everything gets posted in one place and sub-communities are largely ignored by players and Riot employees.
Hyrum Graff1 votesI don't know if this issue will ever happen on the CB, because everything shows up on the main page, which is where I imagine most people who want a GD-like experience will go to find threads to reply on.
Restated:
The "everything in one community" problem only happens when that community is the only place to get visibility. As long as you can get visibility in other subb-comms, there shouldn't be an issue.
Sir ArmaMalum1 votesPossibly @Bear Hat Alice, @Bob Llama as well. I'm not entirely sure myself on who is officially on the Beta Team or just has a small bit of jurisdiction within it.
I would say default to Misc., as there are is no behavior themed sub-comm right now, which Tribunal would inevitably fall under imho. Personally I would love one, and I could see it getting at least some traffic, but it may not foster as positive an atmosphere as wanted.
MackleDoge1 votesInb4 Tribunal sub-community is full of people complaining about their entirely deserved bans and it just becomes an entire circle jerk.
Sir ArmaMalum1 votesyuuuuuup, if the player behavior sub-forum in vBulletin is a precedent it wouldn't end well without a very tight leash so it probably won't happen. which is sad, because I find player behavior very interesting. But I'm just weird like that so meh. lol
Hyrum Graff1 votesNo tighter a leash than they're currently holding on GD right now... have you seen the #Rekt threads recently, where a player is complaining about their bans or restrictions or whatever, and WookieCookie or someone comes along and posts excerpts from their chat history?
Furthermore, if this actually becomes a problem, they could implement a feature like this to stop it:
Any player posting in the 'Player Behavior' subb-comm who received a punishment recently can now elect to have their chat history in games that they got reported in (essentially, what the tribunal sees) linked to in their post.
This way, if you got punishments that you think weren't justified, and you elect to post your tribunal history information, other people can go read it, see that you actually were toxic, and disregard you. If you don't post your tribunal history, everyone's just going to say "no proof" and ignore you.
On the flip side, if you weren't actually toxic, people can upvote you, the issue can come to Riot's attention, and they can remove the punishment.
Sir ArmaMalum1 votesBut doesn't the whole idea of community "appealing" fall under the whole point of the Tribunal? Having the ability to get a second second chance from the community is kind of unnecessary and possibly abusable imho. I'm not saying the Tribunal will be 100% perfect, but if someone can't get a ban removed/prevented via tribunal and then a Support Ticket, then I personally don't believe they should be given yet another chance where they get to 'explain their actions'. Most of the time judgement of actions are best left without written explanation and justification, imho.
Hyrum Graff1 votesBut doesn't the whole idea of community "appealing" fall under the whole point of the Tribunal?
Yes, it does.
Having the ability to get a second second chance from the community is kind of unnecessary and possibly abusable imho. I'm not saying the Tribunal will be 100% perfect, but if someone can't get a ban removed/prevented via tribunal and then a Support Ticket, then I personally don't believe they should be given yet another chance where they get to 'explain their actions'.
Well, for one, have you seen how immensely popular what I'm characterizing as the #Rekt threads are? In some ways, it's fun to see justice be served (and, let's be honest, the vast majority of posts like this WILL be from toxic people hoping for a ban removal).
I think the strongest argument for it, though, is that seeing consistent cases where the tribunal (or the system that Riot is using in the meantime) is right bolsters the community's faith in the system.
Most of the time judgement of actions are best left without written explanation and justification, imho.
Because actions should speak for themselves? (ie, the idea that it's never justified to flame - if you're flaming in response to a flamer, you both deserve to be reported)
Hyrum Graff1 votesI'll just drop this here; check out the responses if you doubt how much the community enjoys these threads.
Sir ArmaMalum1 votesLol, honestly I really do like these as well, the Rekt is strong with that one. It's just I don't like the idea of giving a legitimate reason to post whining like that OP in the forums.
Buuuuuut, I guess if there was a disclaimer of "you may be Rekt", the ones willing to brave the well-warned humiliation deserve a third chance. I could get behind that.
Hyrum Graff1 votesTwo additional things I'll drop here:
Sometimes, things actually slip through.
Consenting to be #Rekt by the community, by posting your chat logs, is a much more sustainable long-term solution to forum post complaints, than Rioters personally looking at and posting chat history. There just aren't enough Rioters to go around.
wintersedge911 votesriot's idea of that is to show out of context chat logs so they didn't really fix the issue
Hyrum Graff1 votesriot's idea of that is to show out of context chat logs so they didn't really fix the issue
tbh, while there are some games where context matters, the majority of the time I don't care if they were feeding or flaming you first, I expect you to mute and/or report and let the system handle them, instead of making it so my game now has two toxic players instead of one.
Tamat1 votesFor now I'd post it in Miscellaneous. In the very near future we are going to be doing a much better job at defining each sub-community. Until then, when your content doesn't really make sense anywhere, post it in Misc.
Thanks Hyrum Graff!