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No, seriously, vote doctoring/brigading

Sir ArmaMalum··10 votes·1,180 views

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/r3irX00j-riot-message-to-riot-regarding-crit

^^This thread

I am the last person to go out of my way to single out and accuse someone, but they're not even being subtle. They just recently jumped from ~20 score to 50 now, as well as nuking any comments speaking against the post.

To state again, I'm a fan of the conversations happening in the comments but the post itself is setting a very bad precedent when this if allowed to keep happening. Worst part is I can't access a pertinent report feature for this kind of action as it is not spam, harrasment, incorrect board or otherwise.

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Remlap12234 votes

Yeah SAM, not gonna lie, I'm at the point of abandoning the boards. The last 2 threads and ten comments I made that weren't memes got buried because I dared to disagree with the hive mind. Same shit kept me away from the Hearthstone forums. I came here to have a CONVERSATION about game mechanics. Instead I get called a troll or a bronze scrub by a Silver V player with a chip on their shoulder and a major superiority complex because I said something that the Boards hive mind disagrees with.

A staple feature of my comments (especially recently) is pointing out the hypocrisy and backpedaling the circlejerk of the boards is capable of, but I'll give credit where credit is due and say that the early adopters of the boards called out this reddit style upvoting nonsense into question as a repeat of the just cancerous meme infested Facebook page of League. And lo and behold, we were right. Over the past 2 months, the amount of meme posts on the front page have doubled, and perhaps tripled. The variation between upvoted posts has gone from different every week to the same content worded differently by the different members of the boards with the same hive mind. It's disgusting really. It's especially sad when awesome forum goers like SAM and YordleBait make really awesome posts about lore and game mechanics, only to be drowned out by:

  • OMG NERF LEE SIN GG RITO'S FAVORITE IMMUNE TO NERF BAT
  • WHY U GOTTA RUIN ME CASSY RITO I HETE U
  • CRIT IS BROKEN AND RITO IS STUPID FOR KEEPING IT!!!1!
  • CHECD OUT ME EPCI MAYMAY GUIZE

Honestly Riot, it's time to go back. These boards have been a dismal failure from the beginning, and what was originally a mild inconvenience has turned into a cesspool of toxicity and shitposting.

Sir ArmaMalum3 votes

Honestly this is the first time I've seen my name shortened to SAM, and now I'm a bit surprised no one used that abbreviation sooner....ah well.

Anyway, I'm afraid I'm not seeing it the same way. I agree with you there are more low-effort posts on the Boards, but that simply comes with more traffic inevitably. Most of the people you mention are still posting, they're occurrence is just getting diluted by the Boards getting more popular. Funnily enough Pendragon just recently mentioned on client chat that we're right on the money for previous vBulletin traffic amounts, and while I won't say the current average post health is good I will say it is much better than what vBulletin used to be.

I suggest to give other ordering options a try and to not let the entire page of posts color your interpretation of individual posts. It's true there will always be a few shit-posts on the Hot front page, just the nature of the beast, but at the same time I've always seen one or two very good posts there as well. Some that I've even missed on my regular patrol of 'new'. mi ramfan's meta-breaking post for example is a great post that was at the very top for the last two days and just now losing momentum.

Remlap12232 votes

Perhaps you're right, however the point I'm trying to make is that with the increased traffic, the boards' flaws are now starting to become more pronounced. This idea of vote doctoring has been an issue from the beginning, but it's been an isolated issue for the most part. Now, things like this are commonplace, and it's gotten to the point where downvotes have gone from being isolated to troll posts or flaming, to people who simply disagree with the hive mind of the boards. Case and point was with your comment on that thread, there's absolutely no way that the votes should have fluctuated that much. This is primarily because the new attitude on the boards is upvote to agree, downvote to disagree, and that has some serious fundamental problems. Because of the nature of upvotes garnering more views and traffic, people are less likely to make a post about a controversial opinion because it quite frankly is a waste of the energy required for keystrokes.

I mean, what incentive would I have theoretically make a post defending the Cassiopeia changes (I don't agree with them for the record) if all I know that is going to happen is that I'm going to get downvoted to oblivion the instant I post it, and the few people who take the time to reply call me a retard or a troll? Certainly doesn't make me want to use the boards, that's for damn sure. This is generally why reddit is considered shit, and only the subreddits are the ones that have any sort of value to people because people are passionate enough about a certain subject to overlook how piss-poor the boards are. Hell, even the reds, you know, the people in charge of making the boards in the first place, are shying away from it and making long winded posts about why that is. Despite my agreement with the boards on how much Stashu and CertainlyT have fucked up, I completely understand why they aren't going near it. It doesn't matter what they say anymore because they boards have painted them as the enemy. If their posts aren't downvoted to oblivion and not reciving any traffic, they're getting flamed by the people who are automatically colored by "this post has too many downvotes click to view", which instantly puts a bias in people's heads about the content being wrong, and as such are more willing to go with the groupthink. This isn't conspiracy theories, this is fundamental psychological principles. The boards literally reward people for flaming, shitposting, and circlejerking.

I agree that it isn't completely hopeless, and that I should stick to recent and new, but I have to ask, what is the point for putting a bunch of time and effort in extremely deep and thought provoking posts that you have shown time and time again to be capable of, when I can just make a thread saying GG LeeSin FREE WIN OP FUCK RIOT that will be Garenteed to get twice the upvotes and front page time of your top rated post?

Deep Terror Nami3 votes

Ok looking again, many comments have an abnormally high downvote count for neutral or friendly and positive comments. I'm much less skeptical now. It's just sad that some people base their personal worth on upvotes on a public forum, so much so that falsifying it makes them feel superior.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

Also, I just noticed a "Lifetime Upvotes" on profile pages. Is that new or did I miss it before?

Sir ArmaMalum2 votes

It's relatively new, within the last 24 hours. Pen made a post about it here.

Also, that post doesn't really strike me as a measure of personal worth but more of artificially supporting an argument. The crit debate is an ongoing and I beleive cool discussion to be had, but as the OP is in the side for change they meet with a lot of flak without much, if any, justification besides "I don't like change".

Which is actually the main thing that pisses me off about this particular thread. There are a lot of good discussions happening in the comments and the OP has overall hurt his side of the argument a lot with this action, not to mention put all of that dialogue at risk for deletion. All while screwing over the mods who are either left with the choice of deleting said thread and the resulting flak of that or leaving it be and setting a precedent of allowing vote farming. Granted that can also be attributed to the choice of Mod strategy at this point but I'd rather not get into that kettle atm.

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