Okay... we are reporting this BoRK hack, and the board mods say it's "witch hunting" to post proof?
EDIT: Pendragon knows of the issue, I've made my point. Topic closed.
EDIT: Pendragon knows of the issue, I've made my point. Topic closed.
We're aware of the issue and actively working on a solution. Anyone who uses the exploit will certainly be punished appropriately.
Generally in that situation - additional reports do nothing to increase our awareness or improve our ability or desire to address it as quickly as possible, so at this point more than anything you're just raising awareness to more folks who might want to try it.
The other thing to note that "proof" in the sense of calling out an individual is certainly witch-hunting. We have technological means to identify and verify people who are doing this.
We're aware of the issue and actively working on a solution. Anyone who uses the exploit will certainly be punished appropriately.
Generally in that situation - additional reports do nothing to increase our awareness or improve our ability or desire to address it as quickly as possible, so at this point more than anything you're just raising awareness to more folks who might want to try it.
The other thing to note that "proof" in the sense of calling out an individual is certainly witch-hunting. We have technological means to identify and verify people who are doing this.
Not mentioning such a major issue that will clearly blow up and have large scale mention of it on the forums, Reddit, and other media sites won't measurably decrease awareness, either.
We've mentioned it in a bunch of places and it's pretty well referenced
We've mentioned it in a bunch of places and it's pretty well referenced
No offense but I am going to be blunt since Riot, general grouping since I'm not going to specifically blame individuals for dropping the ball, seems to be side stepping the issue of their poor communication and acting as if everything is Rosy.
If you mentioned it on Reddit, that doesn't count. This isn't a question or a thought, but a fact. That is not a proper channel to inform your players through, but Riot seems to clearly favor it over their own forums and this is an extremely well known issue.
Mentioning it in Server Status, a location not a lot of people are going to randomly check when servers aren't going downhill is not a proper way to communicate this and is not well referenced. Riot did not bother to mention this issue in the "Game Status" button within the client.
This isn't mentioned on the news page, in GD, or any other thread as a sticky or easily identifiable section or even as an actual announcement as far as I am aware rather then a reply to a thread.
The item is not disabled, or the active is not disabled if it is related to the cause. Don't know, personally, if it is as I'm not looking to exploit it and I haven't stumbled across a thread randomly dissecting the issue.
There has also been no communication it seems as to how those abusing it are going to be handled to take edge off of likeliness that someone will exploit this issue, regardless of how obvious this should be to users since many clearly don't get it.
No, you really haven't properly discussed/reported the issue to your community or what you are doing to handle it and proper feedback short of minor replies and possibly 3rd party contact (Reddit, Twitter, etc.). I would love to see a reply addressing this concern from you Pendragon as, frankly, I don't think anyone else other then Ryze (whom we never see) can give a proper reply on anyways. Perhaps Riot can use this situation to develop a guideline for players and Riot, itself, as to how they will handle and report these issues because frankly you guys are inconsistent and weak with communication, particularly since the new boards.
We've mentioned it in a bunch of places and it's pretty well referenced
No offense but I am going to be blunt since Riot, general grouping since I'm not going to specifically blame individuals for dropping the ball, seems to be side stepping the issue of their poor communication and acting as if everything is Rosy.
If you mentioned it on Reddit, that doesn't count. This isn't a question or a thought, but a fact. That is not a proper channel to inform your players through, but Riot seems to clearly favor it over their own forums and this is an extremely well known issue.
Mentioning it in Server Status, a location not a lot of people are going to randomly check when servers aren't going downhill is not a proper way to communicate this and is not well referenced. Riot did not bother to mention this issue in the "Game Status" button within the client.
This isn't mentioned on the news page, in GD, or any other thread as a sticky or easily identifiable section or even as an actual announcement as far as I am aware rather then a reply to a thread.
The item is not disabled, or the active is not disabled if it is related to the cause. Don't know, personally, if it is as I'm not looking to exploit it and I haven't stumbled across a thread randomly dissecting the issue.
There has also been no communication it seems as to how those abusing it are going to be handled to take edge off of likeliness that someone will exploit this issue, regardless of how obvious this should be to users since many clearly don't get it.
No, you really haven't properly discussed/reported the issue to your community or what you are doing to handle it and proper feedback short of minor replies and possibly 3rd party contact (Reddit, Twitter, etc.). I would love to see a reply addressing this concern from you Pendragon as, frankly, I don't think anyone else other then Ryze (whom we never see) can give a proper reply on anyways. Perhaps Riot can use this situation to develop a guideline for players and Riot, itself, as to how they will handle and report these issues because frankly you guys are inconsistent and weak with communication, particularly since the new boards.
^^^TRUTH Until I found this thread, I had NO IDEA that Riot was even aware of the issue, or was even trying to solve it. I googled it and found out exactly how they are doing the glitch, and apparently, it's a script injector, something we were told was impossible to do to the game, but now that people know it's possible, I'm sure there will be more and more script injectors being used to exploit the system. Right now as we speak there are lost of scripts to make infinite uses of Hydra's active, refund scripts to make you gain gold but keep the item, and even one for early surrender voting. Riot, just be straight with us, lying to our faces just makes us take everything you say as nothing but lies anymore, because we have no idea if you even give a damn anymore.
So how does it being mentioned here stop the information flow? You aren't being rational.
Beside the BotrK exploit it exist another cheat, that allow people to get more start Items
The other thing to note that "proof" in the sense of calling out an individual is certainly witch-hunting. We have technological means to identify and verify people who are doing this.
Look I'm against calling people out as much as the next guy... but the term "witch hunting" implies that there is no substance to the claims.
For curiosity's sake, are you actively punishing the people I've seen that duo queue with these accounts as well? All of the Riot posts I've seen state that they will punish the people using the exploit (as a permaban), but I have not seen it directly expressed that the people duoing with those accounts will also get permabanned or stripped of rewards.
Are you guys tracking everyone these accounts duo with and punishing them if they duo more than once with the offending accounts? (Someone who duoed once could claim that they didn't know their "friend" or acquaintance would use the cheat in one game, but I think if they duoed with them any other times after that they would be knowingly complicit in using the hack to gain an advantage)
at this point and time i'd like to thank riot for having the most useless members working for them and say goodbye to league of legends...because i refuse to play this game when you people aren't doing anything to fix the situation....i said it when u guys hired him ghost crawler ruined wow and now hes ruining LoL....funny how since he left wow to work for league wow has started to be good again and league has had nothing but troubles since his arrival....i will say this though i swear if my post is deleted or my account is banned i'm going to be having to speak to the owners for a lawsuit because i want this post to make the players aware of the bs that has started and when it started.........good day to you and to the loyal players i guess ill see u all on wow csgo or smite since this game in my eyes is gonna be dead within a month . THANKS GHOST CRAWLER
They banned 3 of my accounts from the boards...for attempting to report this exploit. My friend also was banned trying to report a WarWick that was doing it earlier tonight.
http://www.reddit.com/comments/t4vko/ranked_hacks_no_cd_on_summoners/
Riot is deleting peoples posts on their forum...and banning them. Let your voice be heard on reddit...if you get banned from forums. These exploits are spreading like wildfire...wont be much of a season 5 left, if this keeps up. Only automated responses to any tickets opened....
Talk about asshole-ish.
They should stop every one of these threads all they do is hurt the game. Just go send a support ticket instead of supporting exploits.
They should stop every one of these threads all they do is hurt the game. Just go send a support ticket instead of supporting exploits.
Support tickets only get automated responses with no real action. I don't condone hackers, but maybe if this shit spreads it'll light a fire under riot's ass to do something about it.
I feel like, the more we are left out of the loop, the more hacks and scripts come out of the woodwork, which is why we keep making these posts because NOT EVERYONE KNOWS THEY ARE AWARE OF IT. They don't have any big post-it sign besides one small thread.
Support tickets get automated responses because the people riot employs are working on it... all you have to do is send the ticket and you've made them aware. You are completely condoning hackers your actually supporting them. Whenever you increase visibility of an exploit to the gamers by lets say making thread after thread even when they are deleted, you are only giving more and more people the ability to cheat... on the other hand when you send in a support ticket to riot you are helping them.... stop supporting hackers and let riot do their job
where were you when the servers where DDos for two weeks? when entire teams were dropped and no loss forgiven was redeemed for players in ranked matches? You think everyone rushed to the tickets no it was the forums that finally got someone off their coffee break bc that's shared among the players - the piggy banks- and if the piggybanks dont think that a game runs properly they wont buy if you have a problem league doesnt care - go ahead and try to address something with them - but if league players as a whole have an issue and start leaving for another moba that will be coming out in the future by another great company that has been making great games since say 1991 then they might work harder to make sure things like this dont happen
I remember loss forgiven was turned on.... I don't see how this has anything to do with you supporting hackers but I dont mind you bringing things up in the forums to enact positive change. Its posts like these that have purely negative consequences i have problems with
maybe riot might actually implement a kick system for all the trolls,afk and oh wait great Hackers
They have addressed the issue and are working on it.
However, just because you caught someone cheating in the game does not mean you can break the rules of the forums. It clearly states in the Universal Rules to send in a ticket instead of making a thread about it due to the problems it causes. (ie: Publicizing the hack, public shaming a player, etc).
And no, I'm not saying the player that is hacking should go unpunished (since they will most likely be banned).
"publicly shaming", I don't see how it is public shaming simply to SHOW pictures and videos, of what's happening. People can come to their own conclusions, if they are ashamed of their actions, it's because they feel like they did something wrong
what is Riot's Legal Definition of "shaming a player"?
Under what do we send the ticket as - do we report a certain way.. or go out of? Bc I just ran into another player abusing the Bork hack just today - surprised me since I thought this was being handled and I just took another ranked loss bc of it - will my loss be redeemed after a negative kda kha quads my team at just the right time and pushes for the win - I'm salty as shit about this and I'm doubting anything will be done
what is that all about? what we didn't follow your terms and agreements when we called you out for having a fualty system?
If the videos you're linking show specific players, then you are going on a witch hunt, whether you're trying to, or not. I'm sure Riot knows about the hack and is working on a fix. Moderating your content doesn't mean they're supporting hackers.
It's like if someone you know does [insert non-socially acceptable thing here], and you run an article in the newspaper about it. You then say you were simply raising awareness that there are people who do [insert previous thing here]. Even if that thing is harmful, it's pretty rude to call people out on it in public.
The difference is, "socially unacceptable" is equal to "AFKed and then reported me because troll". Actually hacking the game (assuming that this was an actual hack and not a bug) is equivalent to armed robbery, or assault, etc. in terms of this game. Even if it was my friend doing these crimes, I would still report it to the police (that is the other big difference; reporting an incident of hacking on these boards is reporting it to an authority, not like flaunting their crime to a newspaper for bad publicity). It is in no way rude of him to try to get the only people who can fix the issue to be aware of it and actually fix it.
It's like if someone you know does [insert non-socially acceptable thing here], and you run an article in the newspaper about it. You then say you were simply raising awareness that there are people who do [insert previous thing here]. Even if that thing is harmful, it's pretty rude to call people out on it in public.
I don't see anything wrong with calling people out on killing poor, starving children. (This is a metaphor.)
There's a difference between something not being "socially acceptable" (for example, having different beliefs) and something being just plain illegal.
That isn't witch hunting, that's making the authorities and general public know about extremely illegal activity. If they're gonna stop people from doing it, they shouldn't name it after something in real life that was just killing innocents, because this is the opposite of that.
If the videos you're linking show specific players, then you are going on a witch hunt, whether you're trying to, or not. I'm sure Riot knows about the hack and is working on a fix. Moderating your content doesn't mean they're supporting hackers.
witch hunt implies that there is no substance to the accusations.
Pokeboy0522 is one of the user of this hack
My thread was also got deleted. I posted a video proof on it and riot's reason to delete it : "Reporting a player" when I was actually trying to tell Riot about the hack has gone viral and it's everywhere.
http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/ETJn5qBz-hackers-in-ranked-proof
My thread had to be in GD but we have over 300 views and screenshotting all the hackers.
just send in a support ticket with details and your proof. There is no need to make a public display.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCKE1Jw4ZYg&feature=youtu.be
This Happend to me just now I dont know what I feel about loosing 19 lp in gold rank , we were ahead but then the warwick started hacking and lost us the game I wish I this guy gets banned or something or I coudl atleast get my lp back ...
so basically, what I'm gathering from Pendragon anyways, Riot won't stop the issue right now even though it is causing problems right now.
Supposedly the new map was supposed to come with stronger security measures to prevent shit like this. awkwardly long pause
Additionally, they won't communicate the problem effectively to any of us unless we call them out on it.
I'm not terribly sure what to believe. Riot seems too concerned with laying the smackdown on people who don't say anything in chat, but still get chat penalties, to worry about people who hack games and cause legitimate issues.
so basically, what I'm gathering from Pendragon anyways, Riot won't stop the issue right now even though it is causing problems right now.
Supposedly the new map was supposed to come with stronger security measures to prevent shit like this. awkwardly long pause
Additionally, they won't communicate the problem effectively to any of us unless we call them out on it.
I'm not terribly sure what to believe. Riot seems too concerned with laying the smackdown on people who don't say anything in chat, but still get chat penalties, to worry about people who hack games and cause legitimate issues.
Well. To stop one of the exploits while working on a fix, they'd have to disable every active item in the game. Which would cripple a lot of roles and champions.
Additionally, they won't communicate the problem effectively to any of us unless we call them out on it.
I'm not terribly sure what to believe. Riot seems too concerned with laying the smackdown on people who don't say anything in chat, but still get chat penalties, to worry about people who hack games and cause legitimate issues.
Just found this:
http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/bug-report/Y4i3zKfI-game-breaking-bughack?comment=002b
What's witch hunting?
What's witch hunting?
There was a time in human history where people strongly believed that witchcraft was real, and innocent women would be accused of being a witch... and because of fear, mobs of people would agree she is a witch and they would BURN THE PERSON ALIVE.
So let me see if i got it right...
Witch hunting; on this context, is basically blaming someone for using hacks when he isn't?
Sorry, i'm dumb ):
So let me see if i got it right...
Witch hunting; on this context, is basically blaming someone for using hacks when he isn't?
Sorry, i'm dumb ):
u are almost right.
witchhunting is when you blame someone for hacking/exploiting/toxic and show everyone online their name. it doesnt matter if the person was actually hacking or wasnt. (that person can be right or wrong doesnt matter)
Except witch-hunting in any context isn't about exposing someone's name. In modern day contexts it's a campaign directed against a person or group holding unorthodox or unpopular views, especially when you apply it to the context of playing a game. Otherwise twitch streamers, and anyone who posted videos or pictures of LoL gameplay, would be a witch-hunter as soon as someone in the game does something unpopular(including themself). If these players did something they are ashamed of, we did nothing to make them feel shamed, we merely posted gameplay of pics of unpleasant experience we had playing the game.
Here are two videos of hunglowharry using the BOTRK hack... It's the second time ive played with someone who hacked during ranked games...
http://raptr.com//moveit124/news/546643c128739093e2/moveit124-instant-replay-5
http://raptr.com//moveit124/news/546643ceae61817591/moveit124-instant-replay-6
Luckily this time it was on my team this time, not on the enemy...
I've read through quite a bit of what was said here and just wanted to drop my opinion in. First and foremost, players have the right to know an exploit exists and is being used. "But then more people will use it!!!" the burden here is not on us for informing the players about it, but Riot for allowing the opportunity for such an exploit to exist. This is doubly appropriate considering Riot will not retroactively be fixing the damage it has caused. If Riot won't look out for us, we have to look out for us.
Supposedly this thing has been happening for months...think of all of the hours of play, ELO, etc this thing has caused. If Riot won't handle it then it is our responsibility to bash them over the head with it until they do.
This entire topic is what, in my opinion, is wrong with modern day Riot. Scroll through a couple of pages of GD or boards...there are so many real issues affecting the majority of the player base, almost all of them going completely ignored and, if not, are just being told "we have more important things to do right now, we'll get on it eventually".
What are we going to do about 4v5s? When is "everyone experiences the same level of afk and trolling" going to stop being an approrpriate response? When are bans going to be about strategic play and not banning FOTM/known to be OP champs? Why does Lucian get removed from pro tournaments AND is acknowledged to be problematic, but he remains in ranked play? When does East coast get a server? When will Sion work fully? When will the various loading in screen bugs be handled? And that's just a few of the very real, rather important questions I've seen in the past 12 hours on these boards. No whining, just a want to actually be able to play the game as intended.
Well I went to play a game on my smurf which I am leveling and everything is fine and dandy bot lane but then a wild nasus appears and literally without once touching us Proceeds to Botrk me and my friend to death. He had no items at the time either and at the end off the game had a warmogs. His name was LoLlolLoLllll and in the after game chat started typing in a foreign language. It was a very unpleasant to say the least and makes me wonder how many other people are using this exploit.
I also searched him up after the game on lolking and it says he is level 0 and that he has won every game he has played.