Literally have a 25 game chat restriction right now because a troll reported me.

Barkley··5 votes·916 views

The chat log they provided me isn't even toxic. Unless you consider one swear toxic, and saying someone is trolling (when they were, whole team reported him, he just started afk farming 6 mins into the game. 3x reported at least, maybe 4 or 5. Legit troll.)

I am a toxic player. I have been toxic in the past. I have been suspended, I have been chat restricted before. And I never come on the boards to say anything. I'm aware that I can be toxic, and I'm usually like "yeah. I deserved it."

But this here? This is bullshit. 25 game chat restriction. For this. LMFAO.

GG rito. WP. Meanwhile, the kid who really, actually was trolling probably gets away scott free.

Barkley: i went back and watched some of my old twitch highlights from when I used to stream, back on the old summoners rift... this ga Barkley: game used to be ugly AF Barkley: season 1.5 Barkley: preseason season 2 Barkley: the league of cleavers? Barkley: no. Barkley: diana no sum Barkley: can i get a gank plz Barkley: graves here 3 times Barkley: im not saying you didn't Barkley: im asking for help Barkley: dont take it personal Barkley: catch mid plz Barkley: guyts Barkley: just stay by turret Barkley: im gonna report you for trolling if you dont go back bot and play under your tower. Barkley: dont come fuck up my lane just cuz you lost yours Barkley: jinx Barkley: whole wave at your turret Barkley: right now Barkley: you could be farming Barkley: gg. bot fed too hard. Barkley: report this rakan. been afk farming bot for like 8 mins now Barkley: doesn't ever help Barkley: why even play this game if you're just gonna give up after 5 mins Barkley: go pllay minecraft or something Barkley: ornn Barkley: you ralize they're pushing our inhib right Barkley: we can't push Barkley: lol Barkley: while you defend your outer turret Barkley: game could be fuckin over by now if this rakan wasn't trolling. Barkley: but honestly this rakan could come back right now and play the best rakan you've ever seen from this point forward Barkley: and i'm still reporting Barkley: so w/e Barkley: nah. Barkley: just peel for me instead of trying to get the kills yourself Barkley: work together. Barkley: u guys just let camille chase me down Barkley: either ornn or ww needs to stay with me Barkley: i'm not pointing fingers man Barkley: im saying one of you Barkley: idc which Barkley: wow Barkley: draven literally 2 shot me Barkley: just /ff and report this rakan. Barkley: waste of time Barkley: and jinx, his duo buddy Barkley: for also trolling and not surrendering Barkley: oh cool, then I just got two random trolls on the same team Barkley: lucky me

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General Esdeath 4 votes

All game you're just harassing Rakan and Jinx

Barkley3 votes

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General Esdeath 2 votes

lmao snowflake. Next he's gonna call me a cuck or sjw. Nah, you're toxic and harass people. Read your own logs

Barkley: im gonna report you for trolling if you dont go back bot and play under your tower. Barkley: dont come fuck up my lane just cuz you lost yours Barkley: jinx Barkley: gg. bot fed too hard. Barkley: report this rakan. been afk farming bot for like 8 mins now Barkley: doesn't ever help Barkley: why even play this game if you're just gonna give up after 5 mins Barkley: go pllay minecraft or something Barkley: game could be fuckin over by now if this rakan wasn't trolling. Barkley: but honestly this rakan could come back right now and play the best rakan you've ever seen from this point forward Barkley: and i'm still reporting Barkley: so w/e Barkley: just /ff and report this rakan. Barkley: waste of time Barkley: and jinx, his duo buddy Barkley: for also trolling and not surrendering Barkley: oh cool, then I just got two random trolls on the same team Barkley: lucky me

This is more text of harassing in one game than I've typed in years.

Barkley1 votes

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lmao snowflake. Next he's gonna call me a cuck or sjw. Nah, you're toxic and harass people. Read your own logs

Barkley: im gonna report you for trolling if you dont go back bot and play under your tower. Barkley: dont come fuck up my lane just cuz you lost yours Barkley: jinx Barkley: gg. bot fed too hard. Barkley: report this rakan. been afk farming bot for like 8 mins now Barkley: doesn't ever help Barkley: why even play this game if you're just gonna give up after 5 mins Barkley: go pllay minecraft or something Barkley: game could be fuckin over by now if this rakan wasn't trolling. Barkley: but honestly this rakan could come back right now and play the best rakan you've ever seen from this point forward Barkley: and i'm still reporting Barkley: so w/e Barkley: just /ff and report this rakan. Barkley: waste of time Barkley: and jinx, his duo buddy Barkley: for also trolling and not surrendering Barkley: oh cool, then I just got two random trolls on the same team Barkley: lucky me

This is more text of harassing in one game than I've typed in years.

If these were just two random players I was talking to like this for no reason at all, id agree with you. But they were legitimately, actually trolling. Its not a case of me calling people trolls because I didn't like an item they bought or I thought they were bad players.

They were legit trolling.

If you wanna side with them, that's your prerogative.

Makes you just as nonsensical as the chat restriction these two ACTUAL trolls got me.

General Esdeath 1 votes

"Trolling"

How so? Because one was farming and one was afk? Farming is a legit strat, and instead you can just, I don't know, report them?

Barkley1 votes

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"Trolling"

How so? Because one was farming and one was afk? Farming is a legit strat, and instead you can just, I don't know, report them?

I did. We did. Team did.

One was running around in other peoples' lanes spamming emotes and stealing CS during laning phase, screwing everyone, and the other AFK farmed all game as support.

If you don't think that's trolling, I guess we have varying definitions.

General Esdeath 1 votes

If the adc is trolling why wouldn't the support farm up? And again, why flame them? Say nothing, and report. That's it. Easy as that.

Barkley1 votes

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If the adc is trolling why wouldn't the support farm up? And again, why flame them? Say nothing, and report. That's it. Easy as that.

If that's what happened, I wouldn't have a problem. But the Rakan literally just AFK farmed the whole game and even said in chat "I'm not helping." or something along those lines, its been nearly 2 days, I dont remember.

General Esdeath 1 votes

Then report him for unsportsmanlike. Seriously, the more you describe it, the worse it sounds for you.

Barkley1 votes

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Then report him for unsportsmanlike. Seriously, the more you describe it, the worse it sounds for you.

I have to disagree with you. There are many more people on this thread that support my claim than those who refute it.

The only people I said anything remotely negative to the entire game were the two kids that were legitimately trolling, and nothing I said was outside the bounds of decency.

You're focusing on what I said to the individuals that are/were trolling. (none of which i'd personally deem as 'toxic', but to each their own opinion)

What about the 3 of us in that game that were subjected to their antics? What about how we felt? What about the time that they wasted for us?

Does that not matter?

What you're suggesting is that the people who are being trolled just sit there and take it and don't do anything other than report them at the end of the game, which everyone knows never accomplishes anything. As many people have stated here, the system is automated and ineffective. The only defense people like me have is to defend ourselves in the only medium we have available to us - chat.

I could have told them to kill themselves. I could have called them nasty names. I could have done all kinds of toxic, horrible things - things I've done before and been temp-banned for.

But I didn't. And I haven't for a long time.

What you're saying is that I sit there, wasting 40 minutes of my life, silent. Quiet. Submissive. Just take it and move on. Don't say anything, don't do anything. Just click the "report" button that I know is completely ineffective. Just use the measures in place that I know (and everyone knows) don't work, and that should suffice.

I'm sorry, but I'm not just gonna roll over and let some angsty tweenies waste 40 minutes of my life, then waste a few more minutes of my life using riot's bullshit reporting system that never works.

I said my piece. I feel I said it respectfully and within the bounds of the absolute joke we call the "summoners code."

I'm sorry you don't agree with me.

General Esdeath 1 votes

Of course the 3 of you matter, but do you think insulting them will stop them? They WANT your attention. Want to know what would have changed? YOU wouldn't be chat restricted. They're probably getting punishments, as are you, but now you gave them the satisfaction of your response.

pro rusher 21 votes

So you are saying that: "i am gonna report you for trolling if you don't go back to your lane and farm under turret." Is a good reason for him to get banned, becouse adc decided to go farm mid lane at 10 min mark? Can't wait to see you trying to play when somebodey is 0/4 and comes to your lane and starts farming in early game. He is so not trolling right?

Saying: "i am reporting you becouse you troll" is toxic? I can't tell if you are just very high elo, that never saw a troll in his life, or just very very VERY bad player, that thinks support should be farming bot, and adc should farm mid. If rakan at least backed off bot after feeding, so mid laner could go farm bot, they still had a chanse of winning.. i have seen your other posts and you basicly think saying: i' am reporting you for inting" should get banned, not the troller, that is inting.

General Esdeath 1 votes

I've already dealt with that, know what I did? I asked him to go back, and he didn't. So I reported him, I didn't flame. And look! I'm not punished while he was! Magic!

Barkley1 votes

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I've already dealt with that, know what I did? I asked him to go back, and he didn't. So I reported him, I didn't flame. And look! I'm not punished while he was! Magic!

I mean if you read the chat logs, I didn't flame anyone. Nothing I said was directly insulting or toxic.

I told her to get out of my lane, I told her I'd report her, and I said I was reporting rakan, and I said we'd have won if rakan wasn't trolling.

I didn't call anyone names, I didn't berate anyone, I didn't flame them all game for how they were playing... nothing. yet here I am.

General Esdeath 1 votes

I told her I'd report her, and I said I was reporting rakan, and I said we'd have won if rakan wasn't trolling.

right there

pro rusher 21 votes

So you say that telling an 0/30 troller, "i am reportig you", is a good reason to get banned? You know about the 330 games 0% win rate premades right?

General Esdeath 1 votes

Stop right there, you're trying to justify harassment on a case to case basis vs a robot. That's what scans your logs. So stop trying to be the crusader to end trolling, just report them, move on, don't harass people. Also, how do you know they're premade? Judging by your logs they said they weren't...

pro rusher 21 votes

Stop trying to be the crusander to end trolling

So you should be fine with somebodey trolling in your team, and just let him troll, no matter how much you want/need this win.

Ahm obviusly you have no idea about 300+ games premades, hat had 0% win rate?

General Esdeath 1 votes

Let them and report them. Again, waiting on proof of this 0% win rate claim.

Escheton4 votes

Given your attitude in the chat and here in this thread; I'm guessing this is your standard state of being. And conduct in most of your games. So you were probably punished for quantity, not quality. Tone it down, stop being so angry all the time. It doesn't help anyone, especially you.

Barkley1 votes

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Given your attitude in the chat and here in this thread; I'm guessing this is your standard state of being. And conduct in most of your games. So you were probably punished for quantity, not quality. Tone it down, stop being so angry all the time. It doesn't help anyone, especially you.

I doubt it. After receiving a 14 day a few months back, I've done everything I can to improve my behavior. I've spent a lot of money on this account and don't wanna lose it. What you see here in this chat log is about as bad as I ever get these days.

That said, it's poor practice to punish someone for nothing because they've previously exhibited punishable behavior. From a psychology perspective, it's not only ineffective, but detrimental.

Escheton2 votes

Well, thats good. But do remember that asking for reports counts as harassment. Harassing people, also counts as harassment. Might I ask what elo you are playing at? You seem to be expecting a certain level of skill from your team-mates, then raging when they disappoint that expectation.

Barkley1 votes

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Well, thats good. But do remember that asking for reports counts as harassment. Harassing people, also counts as harassment. Might I ask what elo you are playing at? You seem to be expecting a certain level of skill from your team-mates, then raging when they disappoint that expectation.

As seen in the examples here, as long as my team mates are trying, I'm generally fairly supportive. The only players I "harassed" were the two that were flagrantly trolling.

To answer your other question, I'm currently gold 5. I don't think that matters though, since this was a unranked game.

Escheton2 votes

If it was unranked, aka normals, one can expect people to not be tryharding on their main. But trying out new things, and subsequently not being so great at it for a while.

Equally, your own mmr for normals is probably lower than your ranked mmr. And so, more likely to actually encounter new accounts. Or just people relatively new to the game and/or role. Not even mentioning all the changes due to Runes Reforged.

TLDR: Lower your expectations, and don't assume people are trolling because their performance is kinda bad.

Barkley1 votes

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If it was unranked, aka normals, one can expect people to not be tryharding on their main. But trying out new things, and subsequently not being so great at it for a while.

Equally, your own mmr for normals is probably lower than your ranked mmr. And so, more likely to actually encounter new accounts. Or just people relatively new to the game and/or role. Not even mentioning all the changes due to Runes Reforged.

TLDR: Lower your expectations, and don't assume people are trolling because their performance is kinda bad.

You must have missed the part where they were literally, actually trolling. I don't flame people who play badly, especially not in norms. All id ever do in that situation is make a recommendation for how I think they should play, as I've done here in this very game.

As i stated in a comment on this very thread that you apparently missed, our jinx was spamming emotes and running around in people's lanes after feeding 8 (or however many. A lot.) kills, and our Rakan was AFK farming bottom lane from 8 minutes into the game onward and never stopped. May as well have just stood on the fountain. He admitted to it in chat, and I'm sure he was reported for it by multiple team mates.

One of these two people who were ACTUALLY trolling reported me for the given chat log, and I got punished and they probably didn't.

When I say I've been previously toxic, I mean previously. Like months and months ago. As I stated, I don't want my account banned, so I've modified my behavior.

I suppose a rioter would say I'm "reformed"

You shouldn't make assumptions based on limited information. You just come off as pedantic and soapbox-y.

CreampEye2 votes

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Barkley2 votes

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Correction, because a troll reported you AND you entered chat that triggered the system. Chat doesnt stop trolls dont use it.

Their behavior system is and always has been asinine.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Don't pay any mind to cream. They fabricated a gigantic lie about running a 'bait-banning operation,' they have been going around the boards claiming credit for every bait-ban that has been posted about. Kind of like how a certain organization claims credit for every act of terror committed around the world even those that they have nothing to do with. They're just doing it for attention.

That said, their point that "chat doesn't stop trolls." is completely correct. You're better off ignoring a troll and reporting them after the game, instead of letting your anger show and thus putting yourself at risk for punishment.

Barkley1 votes

The match history for the game, in case anyone feels compelled to track down the Ornn and Warwick and ask them their opinions on the matter.

(I doubt anyone will or would, but here it is anyway)

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2645005235/39030581

Papa Francko1 votes

Just to look at this link to see the 138 cs Rakan, Says everything.

ViciousSummoner1 votes

This isn't even remotely close to being a chat restriction. The system/whomever looked this over probably just didn't care enough and slapped on the restriction just to get it over with. Sure the chat does escalate at one point or another, but it's never high enough to be considered restriction worthy. The situation/context is more annoyed rather than full on Ornn W.

Sorin Alucard3 votes

its literally automated

and the program is ineffective

Barkley1 votes

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its literally automated

and the program is ineffective

Right. And how many posts like mine have to come up before they do something about it?

Maybe when my 3yo starts playing in a few years, they'll have changed it.

Probably not.

Sorin Alucard1 votes

i suspect not much will be done about it

It would cost money to employ actual humans to review game replays

And it would take A LOT of humans to match the amount of games in the playerbase that report

Barkley1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sorin Alucard,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=yQ1vXBz4,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2017-11-15T00:17:26.062+0000)

i suspect not much will be done about it

It would cost money to employ actual humans to review game replays

And it would take A LOT of humans to match the amount of games in the playerbase that report

I don't feel like it would take much more than a simple glance at the chat log to see that the punishment is unjustified.

As many have stated, sure, the chat escalated at times, but nothing about it was toxic, and it certainly is not restriction worthy.

Papa Francko1 votes

I was the Warwick this Rakan was huge Troll. All he did from all game was farming and doing nothing useful for the team. Those kind of player are making the league community worst and making the game less fun. Barkley wasnt in wrong. The Rakan was in wrong and deserved a penaltie.

Barkley1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Papa Francko,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=yQ1vXBz4,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2017-11-15T03:19:53.537+0000)

I was the Warwick this Rakan was huge Troll. All he did from all game was farming and doing nothing useful for the team. Those kind of player are making the league community worst and making the game less fun. Barkley wasnt in wrong. The Rakan was in wrong and deserved a penaltie.

Thanks man. Appreciate the support.

Barkley1 votes

And furthermore, this game promotes chatting with team mates, and yet the most common thing you'll ever hear on the "Player Behavior" threads is "Just don't chat ever. Don't say anything. To anyone. Ever."

I'm sorry, but if a system you're promoting as "necessary" for your game to work properly is basically shunned by the community as a "report trap," at what point do you take your design back to the drawing board as a failure?

Because people have figured out that it doesn't matter what you say, someone will find a way to report your for it. You could say "Hey, I really think you should have pushed top instead of farming scuttle crab."

And that's "toxic" to someone, somewhere. And they report you. And you might not get chat restricted for that single offense, but then it happens again... and again... and then, because instead of saying "I really think you should have pushed top instead of farming scuttle crab," you instead say "I really think you should have fucking pushed top instead of farming scuttle crab." BAM.... you're 14-day banned.

Because the system sees "fucking" and says "this player is toxic," even though you had a completely valid and relevant point. You just happened to use a curse word.

You know what? That's how some people talk. There's no disrespect behind it. There's no toxicity behind it. Its just the way some people talk.

I talk to my own mother that way. I have since I was 14, maybe younger, and I respect the shit out of my mom. I respect her more than anyone.

Did you see me say "Fuck you, you fucking piece of shit, I hope you fucking die?" No. Did you see me say "I fucking hate you, you dumb motherfucker, eat shit and kill yourself?" No.

I wasn't disrespectful. I used cuss words casually and in regular conversation, as is my right as an adult in a country that celebrates free speech.

But I digress.

My point is, how can a game promote chatting and player communication, and then punish players for chatting and communicating? Have you ever been out in the real world? People talk in all kinds of ways. People swear, people say really nasty things.

There's no "report" button for words you don't like in real life.

I'm a US Navy veteran (USS Antietam, San Diego, 2007-2012), and I can tell you from experience, teamwork and team building don't revolve around censorship. Teamwork and team building revolve around modifying YOUR OWN behavior to suit the needs of the group, not pointing fingers and crying and complaining because something someone said hurt your feelings. If someone says something you don't like, you know what the best course of action is? You ignore them. You ignore them, and you get the fucking job done. Like an adult. What the fuck are words? What do words matter? Just tune them out and move on.

Oh hey! Look! Riot actually implemented a system that allows you to do just that! How convenient!

Actions are a different thing entirely. Actions mean something. Actions cannot be ignored. Actions affect others, positively and negatively. If this were the Navy, and someone was purposely screwing everyone, we have ways to take care of that. Ways you don't need to worry about. Just know they're extremely effective, and there aren't many repeat offenders.

But you can't do that on league. All you get is chat. All you get is words, because the report system is garbage. You can't take care of the problem yourself. Not to mention, a perma-banned person can just start over with a fresh account in a matter of a month or so, and be right back to their bullshit behavior. So what does it matter to these people? They're probably on their 4th account already. What's a 5th? It'd be like if that kid that got "taken care of" in the Navy appeared the next day without a scratch on him and just started screwing everyone all over again. There's no fix. There's no cure. There's no effective solution. The kid who wants to screw everyone can just continue doing so unimpeded.

Shit, if this chat restriction is any indication, the system actually CATERS to the people that want to screw everyone. Here I am, chat restricted for being annoyed at yet ANOTHER game where cancerous players perform ACTIONS (not chat, not words) to ruin a game - while the person performing ACTIONS (not chat, not words) to ruin a game gets away Scott free.

I assume they got away with it, because recently Riot implemented a nifty little message window to tell you when someone you reported got punished - and I haven't seen shit.

So to summarize, I disagree with your "just report them" mentality. It doesn't work. It never has. Not in 6 years of me playing this game. (Leona was new when I started)

Only innocent people get banned because of chat logs and premade group reports, while the trolls silently commit their crimes, immune to punishment because there's no record or trace of their behavior, because Riot doesn't employ people to randomly and secretly watch people's games.

And I'm not saying people shouldn't be banned for chat... saying things like "kill yourself" or going off on cuss-laden tirades is completely unacceptable, and rightfully punishable. But that's not what happened here. That is not what I'm guilty of - although its certainly what I'm being punished for.

Riot should not rely on bots and algorithms to do the job for them, which are (community opinion, and probably fact) completely ineffective. Ask anyone who plays this game that's had any sort of experience with the behavioral system - themselves, or otherwise - and they'll tell you its garbage. It doesn't work.

Toxic players can keep being toxic, because there's virtually no punishment - just create a new account after you get perma-banned and its like nothing happened! Sure, you lose some money, sure you have to level up the account, but what's that take.... a month? Less? Shit, recently they even patched the leveling system so it's even FASTER for perma-banned players to hit 30 again and start trolling again. A smart design choice, at a time when they were highlighting all they were doing to make LOL a less toxic game, they did the ONE THING that would guarantee ZERO progress towards less toxicity.

I have been playing on this account since July 2011, and I think I've trolled one game, ever. Thousands of games. Probably 3500+ games of League, and I'm fairly certain I've only trolled one game, ever. And I did it just to see what it was like, and I felt horrible.

Every other game I've played, I played to the best of my ability. As I should. As everyone should.

So forgive me if this comment, or the chat in question may seem a bit annoyed (but not toxic!).

I've been dealing with this garbage for quite some time, and have yet to see any reasonable results.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Whoah dude that was a lot to go through. Ok I'm going to respond with as much useful information as I can because I can see that people have given you misinformation about a lot of stuff.

  1. The people in player behavior threads who tell you to not chat are just people who were punished and did not understand why, or they are people who were unwilling to change their behaviors and thus felt they were being persecuted simply for talking when actually it was for talking in a harassing manner.

  2. You seem to think that people's reports all hold equal weight. Are you aware that false reports get thrown out? So if the only thing you said to your top laner the whole game was one comment about how they should have pushed instead of taking scuttle crab, and they reported you for it, the system would throw out their report because it can tell that what you said was obviously not harassment. side note - if you want teammates to make a different decision it helps to talk in terms of the future instead of using past tense. Many people will see the past tense and assume you are trying to blame them, and then they will get defensive and argue back instead of listening. Obviously this is irritating and asinine, but it's how people are. If you want to work around it try saying, "hey next time the enemy top laner is gone from lane, can you push into their turret before you go to farm scuttle?" I've found this is much more effective for making people listen to me, maybe you can find similar success with the same techniques.

  3. I agree that alternate accounts are a huge problem. It frustrates me to no end that Riot has not done more to curb the use of alternate and smurf accounts. If you are as frustrated as I am, perhaps it would help us both to search for ways to help Riot track players across their alternate accounts when they get punished on one account and switch accounts to avoid their sentence.

  4. The IFS (that message that tells you when a player you report is punished) does not notify you every single time a player is punished. It depends on if your game was the last straw that led to their punishment or if it was just one more game that contributed to the case against that player. Here is an example, imagine a troll plays 3 games today. You are in their first game with them and you report them because they threw a tantrum, and they were running it down mid, and they were flaming teammates. In their second game they are matched with 9 other players, and you are not a part of this match. The IFS notices that the player was reported in game 1 and so it evaluates their behavior in game 1 and adds it to the case against the player for trolling. In game 2 they exhibit similar behavior and are reported again by several people. Then while they are in the middle of playing game 3, the IFS system reviews game 2 and adds it to the case against the player. This has finally built a strong enough confirmation that the player is consistently a problem, so the IFS triggers and notifies the players in game 2 that a player they reported was punished. Players in game 1 on the other hand, were not notified, even though their reports contributed to the case, simply because it was not the triggering game for the system. At the end of game 3 the troll receives a message saying they were punished and they are restricted based on the punishment given (for example a 14-day ban for feeding, or a chat restriction for flaming).

  5. it seems like you think the number of reports affects the likelihood of punishment for a game. That is actually not the case. Riot Tantram has come forward on the boards and explained the code he wrote for it, saying that it only checks if there were any reports, rather than checking how many reports were submitted for a particular player. So premades do not have a higher chance of successfully reporting you and getting you punished.

  6. The reason chat offenses are punished more frequently and easily than action-based offenses is because chat offenses are easier to track and identify. It is much harder to efficiently determine if a player's actions were those of a tilted player having a bad game, or the actions of a troll maliciously trying to antagonize their teammates. It's unfortunate, but not an intentional oversight by Riot. They simply have more trouble tracking and punishing game trolls than they do with tracking and punishing chat trolls. I hate it too, and I've recommended plenty of ideas for how to implement a better system that could detect behavior patterns from in-game events and actions in addition to chat, unfortunately it is difficult to get players to come together behind the idea and advocate it so that Riot can see the idea and attempt it.

Barkley1 votes

Who are you replying to, pro rusher? I don't think any of those things... And I don't have any other posts like this one.

I think you're talking to someone else, but I'm not sure who

Pycaso Deetus1 votes

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Barkley1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pycaso Deetus,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=yQ1vXBz4,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2017-11-15T18:56:19.434+0000)

That's what you get for your past actions that have added up.

Get punished now for nothing, because I dd something a while ago that I already got punished for and served my sentence.

Solid mentality. You're a sharp one, I can tell.

Barkley1 votes

At the end of the day, though, I stand by my statement that nothing I said or did in this game was punishable.

Xurreal1 votes

I'm sorry, but this is just.

You cursed out your teammates in a disrespectful manner. You probably caused at least Rakaan to mute you.

You complained a lot about this game instead of trying to stay focused. Your lack of focused caused or helped keep someone else from focusing.

I would say that you probably want to refrain from such comments as

#Barkley: dont come fuck up my lane just cuz you lost yours and #Barkley: im gonna report you for trolling if you dont go back bot and play under your tower. as well as #Barkley: go pllay minecraft or something

Comms like these tend to convey the message that: not only were you intentionally inflammatory but you also saw either yourself as above these people, or saw them as being useless and intended to let them know.

Telling someone not to play League is offensive on its own. It is clear these people were having a bad time in bottom lane from your coms, but your coms were also vicious and without remorse or consideration for the people's feelings involved. Everyone deserves respect on the rift, professional-level skilled people or otherwise.

You seemed to not show any respect for people you have not met before, and this is what prompted them to report you when your speech towards them got out of hand (yeah i know it is text, but say these things outloud as if you were talking to someone face to face and this all takes on a whole new level of instigation).

If you feel that someone is trolling your games, you mustn't pass judgement on them in that game. That is not our job. Our job is to play the game, not condemn, judge, or diagnose individuals we meet on the rift.

In a more blunt matter of speaking, you violated the Summoner's Code (i know this sounds corny, but it is strictly agreed to by everyone who signs up for League of legends).

If you signed up for League of Legends, why do you feel the need to argue with anyone? Just play the game. That is all that you have to do.

We are not anyone's Judge, Juror, or executioner. We are peers. You offer your advice, and beyond that you let it go and simply report after the game.

Barkley1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Shin Evelynn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=yQ1vXBz4,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2017-11-16T02:14:13.314+0000)

I'm sorry, but this is just.

You cursed out your teammates in a disrespectful manner. You probably caused at least Rakaan to mute you.

You complained a lot about this game instead of trying to stay focused. Your lack of focused caused or helped keep someone else from focusing.

I would say that you probably want to refrain from such comments as

#Barkley: dont come fuck up my lane just cuz you lost yours and #Barkley: im gonna report you for trolling if you dont go back bot and play under your tower. as well as #Barkley: go pllay minecraft or something

Comms like these tend to convey the message that: not only were you intentionally inflammatory but you also saw either yourself as above these people, or saw them as being useless and intended to let them know.

Telling someone not to play League is offensive on its own. It is clear these people were having a bad time in bottom lane from your coms, but your coms were also vicious and without remorse or consideration for the people's feelings involved. Everyone deserves respect on the rift, professional-level skilled people or otherwise.

You seemed to not show any respect for people you have not met before, and this is what prompted them to report you when your speech towards them got out of hand (yeah i know it is text, but say these things outloud as if you were talking to someone face to face and this all takes on a whole new level of instigation).

If you feel that someone is trolling your games, you mustn't pass judgement on them in that game. That is not our job. Our job is to play the game, not condemn, judge, or diagnose individuals we meet on the rift.

In a more blunt matter of speaking, you violated the Summoner's Code (i know this sounds corny, but it is strictly agreed to by everyone who signs up for League of legends).

If you signed up for League of Legends, why do you feel the need to argue with anyone? Just play the game. That is all that you have to do.

We are not anyone's Judge, Juror, or executioner. We are peers. You offer your advice, and beyond that you let it go and simply report after the game.

I "cussed out" my team mates? What? Because I said one swear word? We have varying definitions of "cussing someone out," you and I. I don't agree that I "cussed someone out" because I said "Don't come fuck up my lane" instead of "Don't come mess up my lane." Functionally, the two sentences serve the same purpose. I just happen to use a cuss word. I'd hardly call that "Cussing someone out."

Some people cuss, man. Welcome to real life. If I said "Fuck yeah, that was great!" you wouldn't bat an eye. I didn't say "Fuck you kid, go fuck yourself." I didn't say "I fucking hate you, motherfucker." I didn't say anything of the sort. I said "Don't fuck up my lane" as in "Don't stand in my lane spamming emotes and stealing all my CS because you're trolling."

If I "feel" that someone is trolling my games? There's no "feeling" here, bud... they were legit trolling. I don't say people are trolling when they're not playing well. I don't flame people for not playing well. I say people are trolling when they're ACTUALLY trolling. I flame people when they're purposely ruining the game for everyone because they think its funny or fun, and I didn't even "flame" anyone here. I stated I was going to report them if they continued trolling. You are operating off of limited information.

If you'd taken the time to read the thread instead of just instantly forming your judgement, you'd see that I provided context for my remarks. The jinx, when I said "I'm gonna report you if you don't go back bot" was standing in my lane spamming emotes and stealing cs. When I told her to leave, she went top and did the same thing, and almost died. Spamming emotes the whole time. She lost her lane badly and decided she didn't want to play anymore, and so she started trolling the game. The rakan in question here literally said in chat "I'm trolling now."

These are not just random players that I believed didn't play well, or bought an item I didn't like, or "KS'd" me or whatever other dumb petty bullshit people gripe about on this forum. These were real, legitimate trolls.

Telling someone not to play league is offensive? I'm sorry, but from this point forward, I'm going to tell every single person that ever enters a game and purposely tries to ruin it for everyone that they shouldn't play league. Wanna know why? Because they shouldn't. I was unaware that recommending someone go play something else was "offensive."

Why do I feel the need to argue with anyone? Who did I argue with? Where is the argumentation in all of this? I said my piece, and I kept playing to win. I didn't sit there and type the whole game and just go off on a huge tirade and refuse to let it go. I said what I said, and then I played. There was no argument.

I seem to not show respect to people I haven't met before? You're damn right. Respect is earned. And I'm not going to respect someone who's purposely wasting 30-40 minutes of my life because they decided its fun, funny, or satisfying. Respect everyone on the rift? Everyone on the rift deserves respect? People who get their jollies off by ruining everyone's experience don't deserve respect, my friend. I'm sorry but I'm just not going to agree with you there.

You're making a lot of assumptions, and really, REALLY jumping to a lot of conclusions with virtually no information. You don't know me, you weren't in the game, you don't see the entire chat log, and you don't have access to a replay. So to make character judgements based off what you see (especially the ridiculous and farfetched ones you're making) is quite surprising for someone who ends their post saying "We're no one's judge, juror, or executioner."

For someone who believes that, you sure are judging.

Xurreal1 votes

My apologies, sir. It may have been by a troll, and that troll may have been punished as well. But you did deserve escalation to the next tier of punishment.

Again, my apologies.

But I'm not here to argue. That is not my cause. I want to help keep people from getting their accounts Permanently Banned. It is a painful experience I've had to deal with 1st hand recently. I don't wish that on anyone. But when it is deserved due to consistent disrespectful behavior... it is deserved.

Best regards.

Barkley1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Shin Evelynn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=yQ1vXBz4,comment-id=000d00000000,timestamp=2017-11-16T05:25:37.457+0000)

My apologies, sir. It may have been by a troll, and that troll may have been punished as well. But you did deserve escalation to the next tier of punishment.

Again, my apologies.

But I'm not here to argue. That is not my cause.

Best regards.

That's your opinion. I'm fighting it tooth and nail. I 100% believe this chat log is not toxic, and the punishment unjust.

Xurreal1 votes

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