Why people don't want to support? They get no support

Hay5eed·Jun 9, 2017·5 votes·707 views

Nobody respects the support. That's the problem. It's not like you don't have an impact on the game cause you really do its just that hardly anyone recognizes or even seems to understand how a support works (then again I'm in bronze level). Just today I had a Lee Sin call me a noon cause of my k/d....I was 1/8/12. Early game you have to fight your ad campaign to get relic shield procs, or they won't come with you to ward, or cone with you to destroy a ward. They won't help you out a bit and yet they'll flame you the second you make a mistake. That's why no one wants to play support, it's a role with a lot of responsibility, large champion pool, and complex mechanics, but nobody cares about you.

18 Comments

Just Blame JennyJun 9, 20174 votes

Speaking as a support main (currently silver), I feel support abuse is really exaggerated.

I rarely get crap from anyone. I get recognized for good plays plenty. And I definitely feel impactful in most of the games I play. Season 7 has its problems, sure, but one of the things I feel it's done well is make the support role feel more impactful.

I don't recall it being any different in bronze, frankly. I hate to sound harsh, but if you're receiving more criticism than players in other roles, or if you're receiving significantly less recognition, then you're probably not playing as well as you could be.

DrizzyJun 9, 20174 votes

i don't see it being exaggerated personally because one reason i lost interest in support is so much flame i got from many adcs. It is now imbedded in my mind adc is the most toxic role and i try to be super nice to my supports because of my experience summoner 31

you're probably right about not being able to play as well as i can be, but when you're trying to learn, you're not always very good

VictoriousBardJun 13, 20171 votes

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Speaking as a support main (currently silver), I feel support abuse is really exaggerated.

I rarely get crap from anyone. I get recognized for good plays plenty. And I definitely feel impactful in most of the games I play. Season 7 has its problems, sure, but one of the things I feel it's done well is make the support role feel more impactful.

I don't recall it being any different in bronze, frankly. I hate to sound harsh, but if you're receiving more criticism than players in other roles, or if you're receiving significantly less recognition, then you're probably not playing as well as you could be.

Agreed.

TranquiIityJun 9, 20172 votes

Im not even ranked but I fully agree since I went 0/1/10 and everyone was so happy with the carry and not me even though I saved them a ton of times and the team got an s when i got an a- for having the most kill participation tied

ZT XperimentorJun 9, 20172 votes

From what I've seen in gold (my roommate is gold), they still don't respect support players.

Xion The XIVJun 9, 20172 votes

For someone who was a support main since Season 3 to mid season 5 I had fun. you know until they said there can only be 3 wards + Pink at one time placed by someone. They need to bring back the ability to buy Boots Gold Item and then 25 wards. Anyways the support thing is exaggerated to a point. Supports don't get all of the love, but ADC can be turned against just as fast as the ADC flames the Support. I truly think the only SUpports that get flamed the ones that only fallow the ADC and never roam. Once my ADC is 3-4 kills ahead I used to go and annoy other lanes or piss off the enemy jungler.

KartagiaJun 9, 20172 votes

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For someone who was a support main since Season 3 to mid season 5 I had fun. you know until they said there can only be 3 wards + Pink at one time placed by someone. They need to bring back the ability to buy Boots Gold Item and then 25 wards. Anyways the support thing is exaggerated to a point. Supports don't get all of the love, but ADC can be turned against just as fast as the ADC flames the Support. I truly think the only SUpports that get flamed the ones that only fallow the ADC and never roam. Once my ADC is 3-4 kills ahead I used to go and annoy other lanes or piss off the enemy jungler.

The limiting of wards due "unfair advantage" intelligent and skilled players had over majority of idiotic adcs... This was the point Riot became openly vicious on support role along with community. This is normal for bullies and those who support bullies. When someone is seen too weak, you hold them in place when bullies beat them to ensure you are not beaten.

Fortunately this has changed on NA forum, but Riot has not done anything to ensure same happens to all regions. This is due simple fact RIot has no ability of leadership or governing large structures. They cannot their workers to change stance, and then do proper investigation change is really made.

Xion The XIVJun 9, 20171 votes

I never understood the "limiting Vision" to be a thing. We want to make it more competitive for more strategic and yet wards are placed in the same bush in every single game. How is that competitive when it's ward this bush only in this area. Least when we used to have 20-25 wards there was a positive and a negative to it. you are just straight less everything, but you get rid of the fog of war.

KartagiaJun 10, 20171 votes

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I never understood the "limiting Vision" to be a thing. We want to make it more competitive for more strategic and yet wards are placed in the same bush in every single game. How is that competitive when it's ward this bush only in this area. Least when we used to have 20-25 wards there was a positive and a negative to it. you are just straight less everything, but you get rid of the fog of war.

If you never understood value of vision, the I do not wonder you never understood losing it. You are among those against whom warding gave unfair advantage. You thing game becomes more tactical when it in reality becomes less tactical, as tactical options are limited. If you have to guess where to ward instead of warding where it is important tactically, the tactical options are more limited.

I do understand you cannot get it, as Riot has done it almost impossible to figure out good tactics from the information they provide. Due this, the tactics of the game is not understood, and Riot drummed K/D/A is used instead. And due Riot focus on kills, the two solely tactical roles, jungle and support, are despised. Kill-focusing laners want to get "important goal" themselves, thus jungle or support should not take kills. These kill-focusing players ignore the fact it is better for team that the jungler gets the kill as it helps whole team, and jungle gets less gold than laners. The kill gives laner free farm time, thus he gets more gold through it, but that gold is not shown in K/D/A.

KartagiaJun 10, 20171 votes

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Xion The XIVJun 10, 20171 votes

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If you never understood value of vision, the I do not wonder you never understood losing it. You are among those against whom warding gave unfair advantage. You thing game becomes more tactical when it in reality becomes less tactical, as tactical options are limited. If you have to guess where to ward instead of warding where it is important tactically, the tactical options are more limited.

I do understand you cannot get it, as Riot has done it almost impossible to figure out good tactics from the information they provide. Due this, the tactics of the game is not understood, and Riot drummed K/D/A is used instead. And due Riot focus on kills, the two solely tactical roles, jungle and support, are despised. Kill-focusing laners want to get "important goal" themselves, thus jungle or support should not take kills. These kill-focusing players ignore the fact it is better for team that the jungler gets the kill as it helps whole team, and jungle gets less gold than laners. The kill gives laner free farm time, thus he gets more gold through it, but that gold is not shown in K/D/A.

I know the importance of vision control. I had to get used to the new changes, but now a days it's already maximized the "Important" bushes are the ones that are warded. Tri-bush and River bush wards for bot lane or depending on how much time you want just before Dragon pit so you can see if they are coming from Mid or leaving their bot JG to gank bot from river.

Mid is a toss up depending on when you last saw the JG. Pink the bush connecting your JG and River or go for a Deep ward and Pink the bush behind Red Buff.

Top it depends on which side you are on. Red Side you can just pink the Tri-bush and it depends if you are pushing or not to either Trinket the River bush or a lane bush in case of lane ganks.

Jungling that depends on your play style. Until I can fight for Dragon Control and when Dragon is down put deep wards in their JG.

AtreiNeroJun 9, 20171 votes

The problem is that most supports get autofilled and many of them aren't good at it. I'm an adc main and I see it all the time. They mostly just pick what's meta and they think that's it. They don't ward, miss relic procs, don't use spellthiefs correctly, or when there is an eve jungle don't buy control wards. Support is the role no one wants to play, for some of the reasons you list, but also because many of them just aren't good. No one wants to play it because it is almost always autofilled.

On a side note, I know how to play support, and when i get it, I try and sync with the adc and the rest of the team. Most of the time it goes ok, but I can pin so many losses on supports who can't be bothered to either grow up, or just clearly have no idea what they are doing.

TranquiIityJun 9, 20171 votes

Your wards part is so true. I go mid and support so when I go mid, I usually have no vision to roam so its super risky for me, but when I tell them to ward, they either say no or they ward but then they stop after a while

KartagiaJun 9, 20172 votes

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The problem is that most supports get autofilled and many of them aren't good at it. I'm an adc main and I see it all the time. They mostly just pick what's meta and they think that's it. They don't ward, miss relic procs, don't use spellthiefs correctly, or when there is an eve jungle don't buy control wards. Support is the role no one wants to play, for some of the reasons you list, but also because many of them just aren't good. No one wants to play it because it is almost always autofilled.

On a side note, I know how to play support, and when i get it, I try and sync with the adc and the rest of the team. Most of the time it goes ok, but I can pin so many losses on supports who can't be bothered to either grow up, or just clearly have no idea what they are doing.

I am sorry to tell you this, but you are totally wrong in support play. Your view of supporting is totally based on the facts that you are adc main, and that you cannot grasp team work or team play. First mistake: support is not support of adc. There is no need to sync with adc. There is simple reason for this: support main players are tactically way more aware and skilled than adc main. Your talk proves this. Second: ADC has to do warding too. Your view of false kind of supporting is due the fact you are playing with another player who despise supporting as much you do. And who sees support as slave of adc. Neither of you can play with support or a support.

ADCs who can play support does listen support. The bottom lane mechanics is totally opposite non-support players believe. And the reason for despising support is mostly due Riot themselves. Riot focus on Kills season after season in their talk, and Riot inability to take stance against false information withing community. The current draft system made it even worse, as support was placed on bottom, and thus the way of unskilled players see support got fixed to ribbone and slave of adc, enforcing the common false belief.

Support duty is to help, but one part of helping is to tell adc withdraw. Most adcs see this as an insult to their Divine Mandate of Rule, and stop listening, and die. AFter death they start attacking the support as support did not save them.

ChiefManyDabsJun 9, 20171 votes

I agree with the above reasons and mindset.... ADC really does take advantage of the support as helping them early and confusing it with them needing to help just them.... alot of times i have ADC telling me how to play my support and what items to even get.... heck even summoner spells (they want ghost or barrier instead of heal so they spam me to take it.....) 1.ADC should always ward and get atleast one pink ward a game.... 2. ADC should adapt to support and not just expect the support to adapt to them... 3.Understand that the support is there to SUPPORT YOU and is doing plays with the mindset to keep you and your teammates alive not just themselves..... so give them a break when a mistakes happen..... 4. A "thank you/ good job" goes a long way when you want your support to listen to you.

as far as recognition goes It has gotten better... I used not get props as a support for saving ppl ever. only when i stole baron or dragon by myself as support would i get a good job or wow/nice.... now ppl will give you credit when they are low and you are the only reason they are alive

keep you chin up supports you are important and the team needs you mute as soon as you get shit talked.

AgeOfTheMageJun 9, 20171 votes

I don't see much flame towards supports anymore, but half the time I get recognized, half the time I don't. also it's hard to carry a feeding top/mid/jg etc as braum ._.

EssychuJun 10, 20171 votes

i play support so people can tell me how good i am and every single thing i do is praised.

if i feed and someone calls me out on it its not fair because im a support and im playing the hardest role with the hardest mechanics and i get verbally abused for it.

???????????

stop.

Hay5eedJun 10, 20171 votes

You sound like a Riven/Yasou main.

Anyways, why do I main support? It's what I'm used to. Me and my friend picked up League in season 4 and the only way we could play together in a method that felt cooperative was bot lane. He already had some adc champs and didn't like the support role so I became the support and it was so much fun. 3 years down the road we hardly play together anymore but that doesn't change the face that support is the role that I am most confident with, so why not main it?

You mock me by claiming that i play support to get praise....tell me how often a support gets praised? Does that make much sense to you?

I also never mentioned anything about feeding. Obviously if someone is dying so terribly often due to stupid plays it deserves to be pointed out.

I also never said that support was the hardest role, IMO that title belongs to jungle. Hardest mechanics? Depends on the champion (soraka, for instance, take a bit of team awareness but thats about it).

TLDR;

I don't play support to get praise and even if I did i would be disappointed 90% of the time

Feeding deserves to be recognized and reprimanded, no matter the role

Support isn't the hardest role, I think that Jungle is.

Judging a support by just citing their k/d and ONLY their k/d, not the k/d/a is totally unfair, since supports are not meant to get kills.