Okay Riot, WHY is the mia ping still allowed to be a perfect way to be toxic nonverbally?

Shinjusuke·4/21/2017, 12:49:17 PM·16 votes·1,994 views

I mean, c'mon, really?

Smart Pings have been in the game a long time now.

When're we going to get a ping that isn't something every asshole in this game can use to spam

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fucking constantly?

It's blatantly toxic, and it's not even something that is ever going to get caught by chat investigations because it looks totally legitimate outside actual gameplay.

Seriously, I feel like this is something that should've been noticed and changed ages ago, and I can't be the only one who gets irritated when some dumb asshole starts spam-pinging me ? FOR EVERY FUCKING THING THEY DISAGREE WITH. Or every thing they wanna whine about without getting caught. Or every single time you don't do EXACTLY what they tell you.

Seriously. This shit is stupid.

31 Comments

Octavia4/21/2017, 1:46:46 PM6 votes

Scary Door4/21/2017, 4:03:57 PM5 votes

{quoted}

I mean, c'mon, really?

Smart Pings have been in the game a long time now.

When're we going to get a ping that isn't something every asshole in this game can use to spam

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

fucking constantly?

It's blatantly toxic, and it's not even something that is ever going to get caught by chat investigations because it looks totally legitimate outside actual gameplay.

Seriously, I feel like this is something that should've been noticed and changed ages ago, and I can't be the only one who gets irritated when some dumb asshole starts spam-pinging me ? FOR EVERY FUCKING THING THEY DISAGREE WITH. Or every thing they wanna whine about without getting caught. Or every single time you don't do EXACTLY what they tell you.

Seriously. This shit is stupid.

If you consider a ping to be toxic behavior, just imagine the horrors you'll face when you get to be all grown up and go out into the real world.

I'm curious what will happen to some of these people the first time their boss yells at them.

Hey, I'm all for punishing people that make death threats or are flagrantly and repeatedly racist, but if we're going to make a big deal about a fucking ping then it's time we all started to grow some thicker skin, folks.

Besides, what would you do? Remove pings? How would you stop someone from using it to "bully" you.

My grandfather was in World War II, if he were still alive I wonder what he would have to say about someone being bullied, harassed or 'intimidated' by a question mark on a computer screen.

SecondAirbane4/22/2017, 5:05:59 PM3 votes

just turn ping volume off and say it all chat you have a dick then mute everybody

TrulyBland4/22/2017, 12:15:34 AM3 votes

Remove the mia ping and it will be the exclamation mark ping... People will always try to find "subtle" ways to be assholes to each other without being banned.

I say "subtle" because it really isn't. Of course it's going to be more difficult to detect than non-sarcastic harassment in chat, but in fact not much more difficult than people using sarcasm to insult their teammates. And I have seen both of these resulting in punishment. If I'm not mistaken, it still requires a manual review to get banned for these things, but the automated system is looking for patterns of behaviour rather than just looking for very strict pre-defined conditions. So with that in mind it's not unimaginable that the system could at some point in the future with high enough confidence deduce from context whether an mia ping was abused as a form of harassment.

As an extreme example imagine the following context: high amount of pings in short time, happens shortly after a teammate died, ping is applied to an ally or their corpse, all enemies are visible. That would be an instance of mia ping spam that could fairly easily be identified as negative behaviour, even by a machine. Is it easy to go from there to detecting more cases with the necessary amount of confidence? No. But it isn't really impossible.

Best way to help with patterns that are difficult to detect is to be specific in the comments as to why you are reporting people, and even if there were easily identifiable offenses in chat, describe any negative behaviour that was less obvious in the comments.

NGNL Asian4/22/2017, 1:46:36 AM3 votes

I do it to troll my friends lmfao

Truly Prideful4/22/2017, 5:15:46 PM3 votes

But I like to ? ping myself when I do stupid shit. :(

Kei1434/21/2017, 1:23:30 PM2 votes

it's not a perfect way to be toxic. Those that abuse such method of harassment will get 14-day banned when manually reviewed.

eazymakaveli34/21/2017, 3:17:02 PM2 votes

alt click then drags mouse to the left

YerroFever4/21/2017, 6:06:42 PM2 votes

I would say that there is a difference in how people perceive the world and it is clear that some people equate systematic and continuous pinging to "the first time their boss yells at them" because if a boss yells at you it's probably because you broke their rules, which you are subject to as they are your boss.... while a person on your team is more akin to your coworker. You all play by Riot's rules but you can do things that harass your coworkers and it should be addressed. If your coworker, during a meeting, stands up and slams the table 5 times in a row while you're talking, that's significantly more similar to this scenario. That coworker is intending to harass the coworker that is speaking, but it's disrupting the meeting for everyone in the room.

What this boss analogy fails to address is that pings don't just annoy the person, they annoy the team. 1 person's ping is heard by all 5 people on the team despite the intent that the systematic and continuous pings are intended to harass 1 person.

It's annoying to hear them even if you're not the intended target.

The person who spams pings is being disruptive to 3 other people while attempting to harass 1 person.

Harasser pings Target hears Bystander hears Bystander hears Bystander hears

CarlyRaeJepstan4/22/2017, 8:12:59 PM2 votes

don't make questionable decisions and int kills and maybe you won't get pinged mate. but for real if pings are so intolerable to you that you have a mini meltdown you need to take a step back and re-evaluate your life and mentality. it's not even toxic, and easily ignored.

Ramy Fleshlight4/23/2017, 9:35:16 PM2 votes

{quoted}

I mean, c'mon, really?

Smart Pings have been in the game a long time now.

When're we going to get a ping that isn't something every asshole in this game can use to spam

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

fucking constantly?

It's blatantly toxic, and it's not even something that is ever going to get caught by chat investigations because it looks totally legitimate outside actual gameplay.

Seriously, I feel like this is something that should've been noticed and changed ages ago, and I can't be the only one who gets irritated when some dumb asshole starts spam-pinging me ? FOR EVERY FUCKING THING THEY DISAGREE WITH. Or every thing they wanna whine about without getting caught. Or every single time you don't do EXACTLY what they tell you.

Seriously. This shit is stupid.

quit fucking over your team by making dumb choices and you wont get pinged

Raven Redeemed4/21/2017, 7:25:44 PM1 votes

What if they did not allow you to ping close to allies, dead or alive. It wouldn't be a perfect fix, but I think if people did not understand who someone was pinging about it would really take the wind out of those passive aggressive sails.

SeeingEyeHamster4/21/2017, 6:30:16 PM1 votes

I usally ping mia on a dead teamate once to basically ask them non verbally what happened. Usally 3/10 nowadays they think im toxic because of all the toxic pinging so im kinda mad