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Riot Lore, PLEASE listen, just this once. Hear me out.

Shinjusuke··191 votes·11,406 views

I think you're seriously misunderstanding people's hate.

This has never been a "mashup" game, like Tekken vs Street Fighter, Super Smash Brothers, Jump Superstars, etc.

If these had been established characters BEFORE, and LoL had come about as a "hey, see your favorite characters beat each other up!", THEN you would not need a reason and could do what you're doing.

But that's not the case. The fact is, this game IS, and should be tied to the characters. No Summoners? Fine. No Institute of War, AKA League of Legends, for which the game is named?... What? I don't even. Just make a new game if you guys are bored of making LoL, don't trash this one's history.

I don't give two shits about axe-wielding soldier man, I care about Darius, the supreme embodiment of Noxian Ideals, who joins the league as an outlet for warlike tendencies.

I don't give a fuck about some Darth Vader impersonator, I care about Kassadin, the man who has seen the void, who lost his daughter to it, who was warped by it and joins to the league to fight vigorously against it's impending invasion.

For starters, in a game called League of Legends the League of Legends is core

Second, nobody cares about these characters when they're just random people who do stuff in a world

Third, providing no explanation to the 5v5 game, I don't care how you justify it, ruins the game, kills immersion, devalues characters, and is a bad decision. No matter what "lore" you do unattached to the game, it will feel like a spinoff, because it will be a spinoff.

I understand if you feel the Summoners and Institute are restrictive, because they are, because that is the entire point of their existence in the world. If you want to tear down the League, then do that. Make it an event or something. Make the first faction battle you guys have done in years, and through it bring the downfall of the institute and the summoner system. Have the world begin crumbling to the magic that is now going rampant, that the Institute was designed to stop. Do whatever. BUT TIE IT INTO THE GAME. Without being a part of the game it's pointless, because the game is the "core" of League of Legends' lore.

Make the world into one at war, like it would be without the institute. Make Nexus' be insanely valuable wartime artifacts, allowing immortality to those who control them. Make the battles be about 10 champions fighting to gain control over each other's Nexus, destroying it as the only way to permanently kill the enemy champions.

Sure, it might be darker, but that will enrich every character. Ezreal's lighthearted, cocky nature (which, now that you've ruined the character described by making him "embarassed", his total removal from the game is all that can be taken away from him) would be far more meaningful in a world trapped in wartime.

The summation of what I'm saying is this: I'm glad to see real lore development, and I'm glad to see you guys willing to take big steps, and, frankly, I'm glad to see the summoners and institute gone, but you are not enhancing the lore by separating it from the game entirely, you are ruining it. There are a billion less constrictive ways to keep them tied together than the summoner's/institute, there is no justification for you guys saying "pshh, yeah, dunno why these 10 guys fight each other" instead of making a meaningful connection to the game that started the lore in the first place and the characters in the world.

Sorry if that hurts your dream of a League MMO or a League Movie or whatever (hint: it COMPLETELY DOES NOT, but w/e). That's the reality, however. You guys trying to disconnect the game and the narrative is lazy, and it is going to do nothing but cheapen both.

All that said, if you guys decide to take a better route, you have all the support I can provide you. Just keep in mind EVERY time you guys have ignored people like me telling you you're making a BAD decision with lore, you've never done anything except completely disappoint the fans of lore you change. Particularly with regards to champs. Several friends of mine outright quit at Karma, who had been playing since beta. Had to convince my GF to stay after she saw how you immensely cheapened Anivia's character, and had to do it again just now with Skarner's character. LISTEN TO US FOR ONCE, JUST ONCE.

145 Comments

Arby09959 votes

It would be so simple, the League has failed, a new Rune War is dawning and the people of Runeterra turn to the many champions, heroes and horrors who've proven themselves on the Fields of Justice to defend them/abuse them as weapons to conquer their foes. Swain and J3 are on the warpath, the Void is coming and newcomers rise to turn back the dark tide, bring an end to everything, or simply line their pockets to prove themselves as a Champion. With your Institute in ruins, where do you stand Summoner?

too bad it ain't happening, neerner neener nah nah :P

PhoenixSlayer134 votes

Hmmm. Y'know, this is actually an interesting idea.

Maganar29 votes

Two hours ago this comment was posted. Only a few hours before that the devblog went up. Here is a fan, perfectly describing a viable way to approach this that isn't the LEAST BIT controversial or destructive to pre-existing lore, instead it actively "builds upon it" (something mentioned in a post by Carnival J way down on the topic, most people probably didn't see that one).

How is it after months of deliberation, Riot can not deliver something like this? How is there first announcement: "We're taking out everything you know about the game and its story except for the characters." It is disappointing.

I hope this thread, and PARTICULARLY the above comment, are paid attention to by the powers that be. There's all you need to kick off and "evolving world" storyline directly out of the old "more static" one (which I disagree with their call that it did not allow an evolving world in the past - just read issues of JoJ to see how the world was constantly shifting and changing politically in that lore segment, which is now apparently all retcon).

PhailRaptor14 votes

Not months. Years. 3 of them. That's when the League Judgements stopped. That's when Lore started disappearing. And this is where we are now.

Rew7119 votes

I've been playing for only a year and feel for all of this. I love to make up stories and if needed change one up to help another. If they really wanted to bring Azir through changing the Lores then there is a better way to do it. Add to the Lore. Make a paragraph somewhere allowing the two to be intertwined. Though it still isn't needed. There are champions that are friends or enemies yet they have no story in the Lore to explain it. Changing these Lores again is not needed as that must had been something that you thought might be easier for us to get through faster (by reading) and did this in good heart but a Lore is like a story. Its only better when it has enough explanation and it needs to have the character in and out of the game to be the same. You made this place (the Boards) so we could communicate, talk, and make ideas for LoL. If you ever feel the need to make changes. Why not ask on the Boards before hand? Or announce on the Boards as well. You created different ways to get in-put on ideas and different suggestions. These Lores have stirred a lot of tension. You really don't need to do nothing to them. If you are shortening them then I must say that, that is not needed and idiotic. If you do want them shortened then there are other ways. People don't want to lose the effect of the game. When you take something away that was brought up with this game, people feel for it and want to see it get better. But to cut it off is something else. It was Rammus' story that got me to get the guy. I would like to see Anavia's true story of origins. And for Trundle... I have no complaints for him and his new Lore. He's cooler and has a better story now.

Demonsolder2117 votes

What riot is currently doing is alienating their original player base with this new lore crap :/ i just dont get it was destroying the original lore really the way to go?

Arinax14 votes

This. I would even agree with this. Whatever summoners survived just help the champions reach the desires of the champion that they one had. Save the world from the coming destruction? Great! Grow and devour stuff? Fantastic, i'll support you all the way Cho, but just flat out removing the League from the history as if it didn't exist in the first place... really devalues everything that drew me into the immersion of this game. I fell in love with Riven's lore when she was released due to the judgement, why she fought, and what he real ideals were. How she was going to become stronger through the League so that she could make a change in the world. With a summoners help, maybe she could achieve something like that, but fighting a battle alone as we all know it so well from this game, is a losing battle.

DarkerGray30 votes

I personally think the new lore kills all the immersion you had with the game.

You are supposed to be a Summoner from the Institute of Justice, fighting for the political stability of Valoran and calling powerful champions who agreed to fight to your command. Now you're just a guy who likes to play Smash and has no actual voice in a fictional world.

With this, you're basically making the player feel further away from a world with already lackluster development. What the point of knowing Quinn's relationship with Talon if they don't mean anything to you?

The fact that the summoner is an actual character in the lore is what makes it special, not the amount of content it gets.

John Berserk3 votes

While it was a basis for lore that made sense in the beginning, it's still really restrictive for Riot today. Think about it, what reason would newer Champions have for joining the Institute and fighting for other factions? Why would Aatrox, Azir, Lucian, Thresh, Yasuo and others want to join this magical institute where they're just pawns to be used by Summoners in some small micro-war between factions?

The more Champions they add, the harder it becomes to find reasons that are interesting for them to join the League.

Shinjusuke14 votes

That makes sense and is understandable, but they're ruining so much more than that. They're turning the game into "Super League Brothers", where it's basically the equivalent of a crossover arena fighting game. Nothing matters or can even pretend to matter in the actual gameplay now.

Obviously you've probably read some of the posts in here, so I don't think I should give you a whole proposal thing, but the idea of a "post-institute of war" is an INFINITELY better situation and direction for the game, that makes sense, and accomplishes the separation Riot's after, without completely, I'm sorry, ruining the current game.

Maganar29 votes

Not true. I will take each character you mentioned as a case example.

Why would Aatrox? He believes conflict is artistry and, according to his lore, has shaped the history of Runeterra before - the League is the latest avenue he can use to influence the fate of this planet.

Why would Azir? Actually I don't have an answer for that yet because he has not been released, but I can make an educated assumption that he might want to try and reclaim the ancient influence he had, such as that over his empire.

Why would Lucian? Related to the next point, he would want to follow Thresh, to keep tabs on this foe, and to sway summoners to his cause so that they may have Thresh's protections as a League champion stripped, so that Lucian may purge this abomination from this planet.

Thresh? He loves to observe agony and suffering. Where would be a better place than where organized brutality takes place on a daily basis, and where he is invited to join in?

Yasuo? He would know that his quarry, the murderer of his master, would be an incredibly unique and talented being almost without parallel in skill, such as those currently in the League. Volunteering as a champion would allow him to observe other champions to try and determine if one (uh-oh Riven) might have been the guilty and being granted asylum by the Institute would allow him to evade further assassination attempts by Ionia, allowing him to spare the lives of his would-be killers.

You're view is closed-minded and unimaginative, but it's shared by the lore team, which is concerning. The last person you want writing the story for something you love is someone lacking imagination. There are countless reasons why any one person with the right skills would be drawn to a force as relevant to worldwide stability as the League of Legends.

mtman31817 votes

Thank you! I hate it when people say it's too hard to find a reason for new champions to join the league, yet it's so easy! Heck, it's even possible for Gnar (though it would require adding A LOT from scratch).

Jojoz21 votes

When the majority of the player base doesn't (and will never) care about the lore, why upset the dedicated minority that does? This is like if Magic the Gathering retconned planeswalkers.

You're pulling the rug out from under us, and I really loved that rug.item 3070

Demonsolder2111 votes

When the majority of the player base doesn't (and will never) care about the lore, why upset the dedicated minority that does? This is like if Magic the Gathering retconned planeswalkers.

You're pulling the rug out from under us, and I really loved that rug.item 3070

Excellent analogy my good sir {{summoner:2}}

Whitakker4 votes

When the majority of the player base doesn't (and will never) care about the lore, why upset the dedicated minority that does? This is like if Magic the Gathering retconned planeswalkers.

You're pulling the rug out from under us, and I really loved that rug.item 3070

I know, man...it really tied the room game together.

sp44121 votes

To Riot, I only have this to say.

You can do this.

You can retcon everything that you want.

You can completely and utterly strip players of any feeling of agency on the world.

But you need to do one thing in exchange for that.

DELIVER.

I expect constant updates to the lore, new stories constantly being told, characters developing and changing, intricate politics and cosmology, and basically make The Elder Scrolls look like shit by comparison.

This new direction is amazing because it frees you to do whatever you want? Fine, but don't you fucking sit on your hands doing nothing for eight months until the next regional event. Do NOT do anything until you do a Bilgewater event next year or some shit like that. You have your freedom, now use it, if you have any respect for your player base at all.

Whitakker9 votes

^This. My ire will lessen considerably if they actually start CREATING new stories, no matter the form or medium. You guys bought yourselves "freedom" from the restrictions that you claim the "summoners" and "Institute of War" brought on you (restrictions that you yourselves wrote into a corner)...now show us what you claim you're all itching to do with this new freedom.

We expect quality stuff in the future, Riot. Don't cock it up.

Athenes Lulu14 votes

If Rito mentioned that the newest Rune War destroyed the summoners, that would be great.

At least we have a reason to retcon that bullsh!t.

But no!! Not even something like that. It's too late... now how is Sona gonna address to the players now....?

Syvenon10 votes

This is literally what I thought about right away. No more "Only you can hear me summoner"

PhailRaptor8 votes

"You only need to click once, fool!"

Wicked Lulu9 votes

"You'll see more with your eyes closed." In all actuality, I'm not surprised. It's bound to happen. In accordance with the direction of their lore team with other departments, they can do better than this.

Cynicatt12 votes

It is a well thought out and heartfelt post. Unfortunately it will probably fall on deaf ears... or blind eyes... since it's text.

lorewise11 votes

There are elegant solutions to this "problem" and removing the Institute of War and Summoners is not one of them. For example:

It's called* League of Legends *right? Well then why not allow all of the lore and champion history serve as just that, a history, a telling of what was. Move the Institute and Fields of Justice to the future or make it the present but the champions themselves and the history of these champions could be Legends who no longer exist but are recreated within the Fields of Justice.

There's no reason that Champions have to be alive or present in "modern times". In fact this could lead to fascinating stories about the few "Legends" who are still alive.

There's just so much possibility being wasted by completely removing these concepts from cannon.

VardenSalad11 votes

This discussion boils down to this:

How does Riot fund their game? Money from players.

What does the absolute lowest common denominator player like more than anything? Winning.

What does the absolute lowest common denominator player dislike more than anything? Losing.

What happens when only a very, very small segment of your playerbase actually gives a shit about the direction of your game enough to make a way-too-fucking-long post in the comment section of a thread with no likes, upvotes, bumps, whatever? That group has no power. Because group size is power. And power is money.

So, to sum up, you have a very, very large fanbase you're currently pandering to that wasn't around in the beginning of your game to watch the current lore be put in place and integrate into the community. You want their money, but they don't like that they don't understand what's going on: why is X champ Y blah-League-blah-Darius-blah-Swain? They're confused and reactionary, fickle and quick to spurn novel ideas or concepts. But you need to keep them; they're already here, correct? What's the easiest way to not stop the hype-train? Do absolutely nothing different. Welcome to the past 3 years of League.

You also have an intensely rabid, but small segment that puts in the effort and cares about your game, why people do what they do in it, why the design looks a certain way; basically, why you built the game in the first place. This group has a voice out of proportion with its size. However, your game is large. These people were your lifeblood for the early times, but you no longer need them to sustain growth. "I will not be cowed by faithful since-beta lore nerds!" you cry triumphantly. "I can do whatever I wish; I have the money. I have the power. I can make it so that this group will never leave, because they never have before. These faithful beta-nerds will still be here."

You press go, and the machine prints money. You used to remember that there was a reason outside of just making money that the game existed, but you shrug and conclude that you must have made the product to make a buck, there can be no other reason to make a game, right?

Right?

333lom11 votes

Exactly. "Nobody cares about these characters when they're just random people who do stuff in a world." The new lore has no value, even if it's good, if it isn't connected to the game it's describing. The Institute of War was one of the core elements (I think it's the actual core), and taking it away destroys the essence of the game. This is no longer League of Legends. It's just some random MOBA game.

Alpharite10 votes

Riot please, I have NEVER been so desperate for a decision to not go through. A part of me died when you said that The league in LEAGUE OF LEGENDS does not exist. Please, please, please, look at the backlash!!!!! I beg of you guys, go back on this ill thought decision! You're destroying what makes League, LEAGUE!

Gorbache10 votes

I was wondering what the fuss was all about on the forums when I finally caught up on all the lore talk... And man this is disappointing! Personally I really liked the fact that we were summoners (and the voice action in-game about it). I really think reading all the comment that a very small minority likes the new direction. It's the second time I see a major fail from Riot recently (first one being when people complained about "Event Icons" not being available for IP). They need to listen to the majority when it's that overwhelming or they'll start losing customers.

Helmight9 votes

See, I think the primary problem I have with Riot's approach to storytelling is that they have failed to build on anything. Since I started playing League, all they've done is retcon things that they didn't like, despite the fact that it was rarely necessary. I guess now that the Lore's been reduced to rubble they can build all they want, but I do not have faith in their ability to do so given all that's happened already.

John Berserk8 votes

Expected another "RIP LORE FUKC U RIOT QQ" thread, and instead I got something that makes sense and something I agree with.

I think what Riot is doing, doing away with the old lore, is a good idea, because as both they AND you (OP) said, it is restrictive, and honestly kind of dumb.

However, while I was honestly perfectly content with them just...starting over, just like that, I do think this tying it into some kind of Runeterra-shattering event idea is much better, something that ties it into the current lore and basically sets the future up for a sort of "Part 2" to the ever-evolving story.

Some players will still be mad that you're doing away with the old lore, but oh well, cant please everyone I guess. However, I do think this would be the best way to go about it, with some kind of in-game/lore explanation, as opposed to just a logical from Riot explanation, outside of the game world.

CupcakeTrap8 votes

, I do think this tying it into some kind of Runeterra-shattering event idea is much better

You know, that's a really cool idea. I might use that for Factions — have an in-universe event in which the League is destroyed, leading into a new Factions saga in which the various factions are going at each other "for real" rather than on the Fields.

Shinjusuke4 votes

Hey c'mon now guys give me a LITTLE credit here :(

CupcakeTrap5 votes

Don't worry, we shall. I hereby promise you a Factions lore cameo as Summoner Shinjusuke if and when we have the League blown up during the storyline. Remind me.

mtman3188 votes

Welp, Riot has officially jumped the shark...

Voidzilla8 votes

My thoughts exactly on the matter.

Riot please, you once had a pretty great lore going for this game. It's such a shame to see that major parts of it seem to be getting thrown away.

Maganar8 votes

My opinion exactly, though I would contend we are not looking at "major parts" but literally the entire thing. Characters are not equal to story. This is entirely new story, discarding EVERYTHING and just using the same characters. The old lore was much better done than the credit the Riot reps are giving it, I wonder if these are the same people who wrote that lore and just had "better ideas" or if they are new people (which is what I suspect) somehow trying to make a point they can do better than their predecessors. If the latter is the case, they're just Huns gaping at the walls of Rome. They couldn't build that incredible empire, so they're just settling for destroying it.

g07h4xf007 votes

Rito is in a cycle of self-destruction with this game making it as worse as they can at every possible turn

AbiwonKenabi7 votes

This is coming from someone who whole-heartedly supported Riot's decision to change certain characters, like Karma, Trundle, etc. This is someone who actually enjoys the Sona rework. I'm Riot's support all the way.

Yet, I still COMPLETELY agree with the OP. Well-said.

Baron von Jiggly6 votes

So many holes this lore update brought that won't be fixed if they go through with deleting the institute and the summoners

The Red Warden6 votes

If they take away the league it leaves me with one question.

WHO THE HELL IS JAX NOW????????

sp4419 votes

"He's a blue guy who's really good at hitting people with a lamp."

That's his new lore.

The Red Warden7 votes

Well reading your post it did give me an idea for what hit new lore could be and they wouldn't even have to change any of his qoutes.

"Jax is a delusional mad man that carries a lamp post, who believes he is the greatest fighter in some made up league that only he knows about."

PsychoB0b6 votes

Why doesn't Riot do things like this? It's...ridiculous.

Hyrum Graff2 votes

I don't give two shits about axe-wielding soldier man, I care about Darius, the supreme embodiment of Noxian Ideals, who joins the league as an outlet for warlike tendencies.

What about Darius, the supreme embodiment of Noxian Ideals, who goes and wages war and kicks ass as an outlet for warlike tendencies?

I don't give a fuck about some Darth Vader impersonator, I care about Kassadin, the man who has seen the void, who lost his daughter to it, who was warped by it and joins to the league to fight vigorously against it's impending invasion.

What about Kassadin, the man who has seen the void, who lost his daughter to it, who was warped by it and actually goes and fights vigorously against it's impending invasion?

Second, nobody cares about these characters when they're just random people who do stuff in a world

Since we're making all the Super Smash Bros comparisons... so nobody cares about Mario and Luigi? About Bowser and Yoshi? About Princess

No matter what "lore" you do unattached to the game, it will feel like a spinoff, because it will be a spinoff.

the game is the "core" of League of Legends' lore.

I guess i just disagree with you here. Jinx has no explanation for being in the League, but I don't feel she's any less real or compelling or whatever.

There is no justification for you guys saying "pshh, yeah, dunno why these 10 guys fight each other"

This is something that people have been tossing around a lot. My question back to you is, has anybody actually established that we don't know why they fight?

What I see people saying is, "We need a reason why the Champions are fighting, even alongside their mortal enemies." They don't always realize that's what they're looking for, so they phrase it as "We need the League," but from their descriptions of what the League brings, I don't see any reason why it has to be the League.

How about we give Riot time to reveal the reason why champs are fighting in LoL, before we start assuming there isn't one?

Sorry if that hurts your dream of a League MMO or a League Movie or whatever (hint: it COMPLETELY DOES NOT, but w/e). That's the reality, however.

Why can't we have the best of both worlds? Find a reason for the champions fighting that also allows Riot to create another game with league characters, or a movie, or whatever.

Several friends of mine outright quit at Karma, who had been playing since beta.

But.. but... I love my new karma!

Maganar5 votes

What about Kassadin, the man who has seen the void, who lost his daughter to it, who was warped by it and actually goes and fights vigorously against it's impending invasion?

He no longer has a daughter nor has lost anyone to it, according to their announcement. All canon established in JoJ is no longer canon. So, as appealing as this Kass you have described may be, he is not a part of what Riot is about to give us.

And, yes, everyone has been complaining because we want a reason for a 5v5 fight between these characters, but if you read the Red posts on the devblog, they say that the story is no longer going to explain gameplay. The game is to be "just a game" based on these people who really do exist on a Runeterra that is in no way connected to the game environment. If that is not what they meant to say, they have very consistently miscommunicated to a degree that is highly improbable. Use the red tracker. It looks like it can be summarized as such "The game is just a game meant for screwing around with characters that would never end up in combat in this scenario in the lore we are establishing, but they will be involved in completely and totally unrelated stories. But your game? It's just a game. None of those matches have any basis in the world we are writing about."

It's frankly disturbing, and I don't think it's quite what you seem to think they are claiming it is.

dialMARK4acti0n1 votes

They said the same things when "Crisis on Infinite Earths" happened. But now it's totally cool and everyone hates "New 52"... Some people can be just so stubborn and unaccepting to change

Alpharite7 votes

This isn't change. This is destroying everything in the lore that we care about.

dialMARK4acti0n3 votes

So, you're seriously telling me your favorite part of the Lore was why everyone joined some game to explain why we play it?

Korazul10 votes

Yes because that is what it means to have context.

If they want to make Azir just a chicken that was an emperor and you get to use him to wack him at a little girl...fine.

But to me having the former Grand Emperor of the Sand of Shimura go into the League, after his kingdom was destroyed; to show the world that Shimura will not be forgotten. That this great emperor will even participate in this grand arena to show the Summoners the true power of the sands. That this feared entity is willing to stoop to the level of Peasants, of People unworthy to call themselves Legends and Summoners is what I want. I want Ezreal to have an emotional battle with Lux because he knows the power of Azir. I want Amumu to have an inkling of his past. I want Annie,Syndra, Xerath, Cho'Gath and anybody who dared thought they had true power to know Fear.

If Rito wants to make the story that Azir is this chicken and if he loses to Hiemerdinger its because this is just a game and games don't matter because this is a sandbox. Yeah sure enjoy the 2 weeks of new players followed by the 4 months of waiting till the next toy in the line to come out.

Personally Riot should beg to have a story as rich and as entertaining as possible. Riot should be on their knees to the writers asking them where they should go. Riot should be planning a reason for why Azir has awoken. Riot should be planning that Xerath Ascending, that the Runes are being activated again, that Ezreal has discovered that the last time Azir was active the first mention of runes was recorded.

So yes my favorite part of the Lore is why everyone joined some game. It keeps me up at night, I think about league on the train, I talk to my friends about Lore and story and all the little inconsequential things. But most importantly when people have conversations with me Riot should want me to talk about league not as a new champion pitch but as an opportunity to be apart of something bigger to feel a connection with the champions I play and the way I play.

Cause yeah you get 2 weeks worth of new people, but I bring 2 years worth of new people. People that I cajole to playing, people that I talk to , people that I want to interact with, people that could feel the same as I do about a game where people use chickens to hit little Girls.

dialMARK4acti0n2 votes

Man! I get it! YOU LOVE LORE! Me too. But c'mon... just because they're changing it up a little doesn't mean these characters can't interact and that Azir doesn't have a reason to have arisen to restore glory to the once great land of Shurima. I'm on the same boat here! But, I believe the writers over at Riot thought this was a good idea for a reason and the last thing they wanted was for their own "baby" to be able to grow and nourish on it's own.

And besides, the people that come to play the game, come to PLAY the GAME. And if they like that GAME, they stay for the GAME. People that only like LoL's story can still read it's lore. The old lore AND the new lore alike. It's just like a comic book. Old comics are not canon, but they're still a good read.... depending on the comic of course.

Korazul11 votes

I'm not disputing the reasons that Riot have to remove the Institute/JoJ/Summoners from the game. I'm sad that the True Metagame * (Metagame as beyond the game itself not powerlevel/balance) is being treated like a Immovable obstacle and the only way to solve the problem is to remove it from discussion.

Yeah Braum/Vel'Koz/Yasuo/Gnar don't really have an introduction to the league like the old days(maybe Yasuo can). The problem is that saying that people come to play the game only play the GAME is disingenuous at worst and misunderstanding at best. Right now we are talking about the game outside of a game (this right here these boards are the Metagame). So when Rito comes out and says the game is just a game and the LORE is a story apart from that; it worries me.

Because now Braum becomes mountain guy, Vek'koz becomes wierd tentacle hentai rape guy, Yasuo becomes wind sword guy and Gnar this weird Yordle/Hulk/ monster horror battling with fear, anger and transformation guy. Yes they were that before but now I can no longer have that discussion with all League players.

I can have it with you fellow Lore guy, I can have it on the boards here with Rioters, I can have it on the AMA for Dev blog: lore edition. But now when I go to PAX and meet Tryndamere and Ryze, When I go to Riot headquarters as a reporter, when I press enter on chat or when I press play on my LOL podcast. I no longer have that right to talk about lore. Because it no longer belongs everywhere. It's like Marksmen, no longer can I just use ADC as Global Lingo, ADC is now an inside joke, it's history and it's a representation of experience.

Lore to me represents importance. If you have lore you are important. Minion caster #21 doesn't have lore. But now because Rito wants Baron Nashor to be more than just this jungle monster that you take when you want to have the best buff in the game; I have to suffer not being able to talk to my teammates about the lore match up of Yasuo/Riven and that's what makes me sad. (Surely that conflict/storyline is as important as the Circumstance of why Baron Nashor is Worm in the jungle invading the north corner of the map).

And let me tell you I do not care about Baron Nashor, I care about Teemo, Gnar, Yasuo, Vi's Secret sister, the C person Caitlyn is chasing, I care about Veigar and Tristana getting together, I care about Jayce and Lux getting together, I care that Ashe and Tryndamere have a successful and more romantic Marriage. I'm Invested in those because I care about those things of my own choosing.

And to your point about comic books. I think that even the most jaded person can agree that Superman is an idea. He's the amalgamation of all those comic books, of all those good and bad movies, or that horrible game. Superman is the same when he is written by Alan Moore, J. Micheal Strantzcky (sp?), and Scott Snyder. He's the same when played by Christopher Reeve, Tom Welling or drawn by Jim Lee. But most importantly he is still Superman when he puts on a pair of glasses, suit and slouches. Because I can talk about all those Supermen with anybody, at anytime and anywhere. And that is what I don't like When I bring up Darius to the conversation I have to make the distinction between dunk-master Darius solo queue or Darius Heaven axe drop from the cinematic of New Dawn.

And as cool as that cinematic was I rather talk about how I bodied fools top.

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