Intentionally Feeding 1 game, or Going AFK 1 game out of like 200-300 games?
Seriously question because next time I am trolled to the point where a person steals my role and makes me unable to play the game without feeding, since I get punished for trying to play a awful game, I am thinking about just pulling the modem from the wall and calling it a night.
Sarutobi4 votesThat seems rather childish if you ask me. Dont get me wrong, having your role stolen sucks, but there are better ways to deal with it than feeding or AFK. You dont resolve the problem.
Sniper 03 votesNeither of these will get you instabanned... How about you just call it a night after the game dude. There are three other people who don't deserve that shit.
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Ada Wong1 votesI totally agree with both of you, and what Riot was telling me in the support ticket because by all means they are right, as well as the two here telling me that its childish, and shouldn't go afk obviously.
The problem, if I am playing a (Specific Champion) for a specific role, and the person griefs me when the game starts by taking a role because I choose to do something off meta they didn't think was okay so they ruined the game trolling, by all means Riot is correct that doesn't give me the right to troll.
However I don't think Riot is taking into account that I am playing a off meta champion in the first place for a specific type of lane phase /playing, and with the troll griefing the game, if I even try to play like I did when I was trolled, I feed, and feeding got me banned in the first place for not giving up on the game.
Yes I am aware of my Azir Game prior to that not being so great, and that was never intentional, and Riot told me the reason I got banned was because of my last game played, but my last game I did poorly and fed in was the first game that started the investigation by the automated system, so there I have a choice between Risking a 2 week ban in the future again after getting my punishment level down again, or going AFK.
Obviously I would never afk if there is a chance to play the game for example, if I went "Lee-Sin Top" Which for me can be easily played as a Top, Mid, and Jungle, if the player did this and I was trolled I would obviously be able to play and perhaps not do as great but I likely wouldn't feed 14 times on it so there would be no problem.
It then comes down to the point where you either "Feed the enemy because your role is stolen" or "Go AFK" and not play, personally I would rather try playing the game, but I really don't like getting banned for 2 weeks because a player flat out chooses to troll and there really isn't shit I can do about it.
Pretty much there are around 10 days on my suspension and to me that is nothing because I went 4-5 months without any restrictions and reset it all before anyways, and hextech chests are crap to me anyways so I don't care about that, but still the point of the matter what to frigging do when trolls have so much power in a game, like honestly if the user who did this thought I was trolling with a off meta pick which Riot said was legal they should have just let me be the one to get into trouble, I also have no doubt that they likely got suspended too given the fact I haven't seen them play the last days which is great I hope they did get punished too, and I hope they never do it again, but still a game I could have played and not been banned for 2 weeks if it wasn't for the damn troll.
SmokedAlmonds1 votesThe problem is those are not the only two ways to handle the situation. w/e strategy you had in mind at champion select is not the only thing you can possibly do in a game. Ok, you chose sona top with smite with the intention of using that to pressure the enemy jungler. That doesn't mean the only thing you can do for the rest of the game is fight them in the enemy jungler. You are fully capable of, for example, dying in their junlge 2 or 3 times and realizing that it isn't working. The issue isn't so much the feeding, but rather the blatant lack of any attempt to stop. You were sona, one of, if not the squishiest champion in the game trying to pick fights in the enemy jungle. If those 14 deaths had been in your own jungle while they invaded you and killed you 14 times or w/e then we would be having a different conversation.
I heavily questioned riots decision to reduce your permanent ban to a 14 day ban the first time. After the second there was little doubt that the original punishment should have stood. I don't know how to think anything other than you are going to be a problem until you are permanently banned after reading this thread.
The thing to do when there is a troll is to play out the game the best you can. And that does not mean die to the enemy team over and over until it ends. After 2, 3, 4 deaths, especially if they are to the same thing, you need to change what you are doing. Whatever idea or strategy you had is simply not working. At that point your only goal should be to stop the bleeding. I hate ADC and I am terrible at it. I can't remember exactly how I ended up ADC in this particular match, but I did. I got stomped in lane as expected. At death 3, I just stopped trying to fight, or going anywhere that I could be trapped in a fight. If that meant miss CS, than fine. There was 0 chance of any net benefit to the team for me to go anywhere that could get me killed. I was literally chanting on skype most of the rest of the game "Stand in the back, kill towers" I kid you not. 20+ minutes of me changing that anytime I saw an enemy.
Ada Wong1 votesThe problem is those are not the only two ways to handle the situation. w/e strategy you had in mind at champion select is not the only thing you can possibly do in a game. Ok, you chose sona top with smite with the intention of using that to pressure the enemy jungler. That doesn't mean the only thing you can do for the rest of the game is fight them in the enemy jungler. You are fully capable of, for example, dying in their junlge 2 or 3 times and realizing that it isn't working. The issue isn't so much the feeding, but rather the blatant lack of any attempt to stop. You were sona, one of, if not the squishiest champion in the game trying to pick fights in the enemy jungle. If those 14 deaths had been in your own jungle while they invaded you and killed you 14 times or w/e then we would be having a different conversation.
I heavily questioned riots decision to reduce your permanent ban to a 14 day ban the first time. After the second there was little doubt that the original punishment should have stood. After this thread I have no doubt that you are going to continue being a problem in league if you are allowed to.
The thing to do when there is a troll is to play out the game the best you can. And that does not mean die to the enemy team over and over until it ends. After 2, 3, 4 deaths, especially if they are to the same thing, you need to change what you are doing. Whatever idea or strategy you had is simply not working. At that point your only goal should be to stop the bleeding. I hate ADC and I am terrible at it. I can't remember exactly how I ended up ADC in this particular match, but I did. I got stomped in lane as expected. At death 3, I just stopped trying to fight, or going anywhere that I could be trapped in a fight. If that meant miss CS, than fine. There was 0 chance of any net benefit to the team for me to go anywhere that could get me killed. I was literally chanting on skype most of the rest of the game "Stand in the back, kill towers" I kid you not. 20+ minutes of me changing that anytime I saw an enemy.
Cool, then you tell me my other options besides going AFK.
. I won't duo without an actual comp being setup at champion selection, and serious players because this is what got me banned the first time forced roles which is why I went 4-5 months without getting any restrictions playing solo roles.
You tell me that I could only die 2-3 times in their jungle, this might be absolutely true if I took defense runes, and attack damage, or played a different champion for top in the first place, but I was setup for solo lane phase only, and not taking our allies jungle but rather going for his I tried to jump on him first time It didn't work, then just getting caught a bunch by him with no other options open.
Yeah exactly I would have rather have quit the game already, but I choose to play it and not being able to play well at all I feed because of it, I agree though if I knew I was going to be trolled, I could have went something else and done a hell of a lot better than 0/14.
But in a case like this what the hell do you do if you don't do duo, do you go AFK, do you try to play the game its really frustrating to have to deal with this type of stuff.
I heavily questioned riots decision to reduce your permanent ban to a 14 day ban the first time. After the second there was little doubt that the original punishment should have stood. After this thread I have no doubt that you are going to continue being a problem in league if you are allowed to.
I hate wasting 20 minutes of my time because of a troll too
And as long as I am not trolled I fairly think I can reset my account back to a level 1 restriction again within no time so I don't think its a big problem.
My biggest concern is future games if I decide to go a off meta somewhere, and players do this again and the game isn't really playable, I am still thinking my best bet is just to pull my modem and avoid feeding all together, something I know I will get banned for if I do it a lot obviously, but I don't want to get banned for feeding its stupid, and it makes me favor the penalty system of DOTA 2 more, when a person disconnects, everyone can leave, and no one else takes a penalty, makes me think more of how League should work.
SmokedAlmonds1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ada Wong,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=vAmHjwfe,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2016-04-21T07:09:49.447+0000)
Cool, then you tell me my other options besides going AFK.
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{quoted} The thing to do when there is a troll is to play out the game the best you can. And that does not mean die to the enemy team over and over until it ends. After 2, 3, 4 deaths, especially if they are to the same thing, you need to change what you are doing. Whatever idea or strategy you had is simply not working. At that point your only goal should be to stop the bleeding. I hate ADC and I am terrible at it. I can't remember exactly how I ended up ADC in this particular match, but I did. I got stomped in lane as expected. At death 3, I just stopped trying to fight, or going anywhere that I could be trapped in a fight. If that meant miss CS, than fine. There was 0 chance of any net benefit to the team for me to go anywhere that could get me killed. I was literally chanting on skype most of the rest of the game "Stand in the back, kill towers" I kid you not. 20+ minutes of me changing that anytime I saw an enemy.
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. I won't duo without an actual comp being setup at champion selection, and serious players because this is what got me banned the first time forced roles which is why I went 4-5 months without getting any restrictions playing solo roles.
You tell me that I could only die 2-3 times in their jungle, this might be absolutely true if I took defense runes, and attack damage, or played a different champion for top in the first place, but I was setup for solo lane phase only, and not taking our allies jungle but rather going for his I tried to jump on him first time It didn't work, then just getting caught a bunch by him with no other options open.
Yes, things like defensive runes, ad, playing a different champ could have reduced the amount you died in the enemy jungle. But those are kinda usless sentiments. You were sona, with the runes and items you had. You could have only died 2-3 times in their jungle if after those 2-3 deaths in their jungle you thought for half a second about what you were doing and realized it wasn't working and did basically anything else.
Yeah exactly I would have rather have quit the game already, but I choose to play it and not being able to play well at all I feed because of it, I agree though if I knew I was going to be trolled, I could have went something else and done a hell of a lot better than 0/14.
This isn't about the troll. Yes he is a problem too. But the issue at hand is your response to situations. The choices like champion selection aren't even that important. Those decisions were done by the time the issue of the troll came up. The issue is what you did after that.
But in a case like this what the hell do you do if you don't do duo, do you go AFK, do you try to play the game its really frustrating to have to deal with this type of stuff.
You play out the game the best you can. You evaluate situations and strategies the same way you always would. You realize when things like "running into the enemy jungle non stop" aren't working. And you stop doing those things. Im half tempted to just suppirt you afking because even for your teams sake, they would be better off with you gone than intentional feeding or I guess if you are still claiming that it wasn't intentional then gross neglegence. But I can't do that. You need to learn to handle these situations better or literally never play without a group of 5.
The fact that you are even trying to figure out what other disallowed behavior you should use to get punished less is rediculous. You have seemed mostly reasonable until this thread so I can only hope that you think about this more.
Ada Wong1 votes.
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Yes, things like defensive runes, ad, playing a different champ could have reduced the amount you died in the enemy jungle. But those are kinda usless sentiments. You were sona, with the runes and items you had. You could have only died 2-3 times in their jungle if after those 2-3 deaths in their jungle you thought for half a second about what you were doing and realized it wasn't working and did basically anything else.
This isn't about the troll. Yes he is a problem too. But the issue at hand is your response to situations. The choices like champion selection aren't even that important. Those decisions were done by the time the issue of the troll came up. The issue is what you did after that.
You play out the game the best you can. You evaluate situations and strategies the same way you always would. You realize when things like "running into the enemy jungle non stop" aren't working. And you stop doing those things. Im half tempted to just tell you to afk because even for your teams sake, they would be better off with you gone than doing that. But I can't do that. You need to learn to handle these situations better or literally never play without a group of 5.
Okay so if the game was 20 minutes in and I didn't die 14 times but I was totally useless to my team, and level 5 because of being unable to clear jungle early would I still have gotten banned?
Like I agree with playing the best a player can in a game total I died like 8 times if I counted correctly to enemy players and the rest just trying to farm the damn jungle to be of use.
What I was trying not to do as well was take our jungles farm and put him behind either, because I would be griefing him too and that isn't something I want to do.
But yeah Thanks for the advice, like I agree with it all, but just so many uncertain things in a game like this, besides its rare that this has happened anyways like the first game ever that a player has actually done this to me so hopefully it wont happen again.
SmokedAlmonds3 votesYou probably wouldn't be banned no. But I'm not suggesting you just hide in your own jungle till the game ends so you don't get punished.
I am talking about changing your attitude and learning to continue trying to win, even in an adverse situation. You need to come back. Step one is stop the bleeding. That means you should basically never be in their jungle. Only in places with good team support and vision. Then you need to find ways to get whatever farm and xp you can WITHOUT taking it from your team. Your own jungle is a good place for that especially golems. Mostly you are just going to leave your lane till they push it and just get what you can when they leave. Sometimes sacrificing your tower so you can be at the safer second tower is helpful.
Even if you think this stuff makes you useless...being useless is better than being a drain. But you gain your usefulness back. Once you are team fighting your lesser damage and shorter lifespan just make you less effective. Even in your weak state you are either going to be left alone because you are the least threat or they are going to waste time trying to go after the easy kill leaving the rest of your team getting less focus.
Astôlfo1 votesYou should never have to find out, because you really shouldn't be doing either.
KVbqbFsC8e1 votesAFKing will never get you banned, but you will get low priority ques 5 games at a time.