if people are complaining about a troll or afk in allchat. and it's blatantly obvious. and someone on the enemy team calls you "salty" "crying" or does anything that remotely resembles mocking or taunting. im going to report you right along with that troll for "unsportsmanlike conduct"
My Sea Cow2 votesthat's awful when someone is rude or rubs it in when you have an afk or dc on the enemy team. I absolutely hate it when my opponent has an afk or dc because it's no longer a fair game, which makes it not fun to me.
Unward491 votesI rub it in by walking up to your fountain and starting a dance party.
JRobin311 votesWhether it's blatantly obvious or not is irrelevant. After you've heard the complaints (aka "crying") once or twice, does anyone really want to hear the complaints again and again every five minutes of the game just because it's still true? Yeah, no thank you... unless I get to have popcorn... if I get popcorn, then salt away!
FYI: complaining about your team in all chat is called "airing the drama" and is not regarded favorably by RIOT. If you encourage the enemy team to report your teammates, then you are opening yourself up to potential punishment.
scazzman1 votesWhether it's blatantly obvious or not is irrelevant. After you've heard the complaints (aka "crying") once or twice, does anyone really want to hear the complaints again and again every five minutes of the game just because it's still true? Yeah, no thank you... unless I get to have popcorn... if I get popcorn, then salt away!
FYI: complaining about your team in all chat is called "airing the drama" and is not regarded favorably by RIOT. If you encourage the enemy team to report your teammates, then you are opening yourself up to potential punishment.
not necessarily asking for reports but "we have an intentional feeder/afk" and neither of which makes it ok to mock the enemy team who is already obviously not in a good mood. and i hate how when someone is being negative. the current meta is "throw gas on it so they keep raging and get banned"
JRobin311 votesI get what you are saying about throwing gas on the fire and yes there are players out there who are trying to provoke their opponents into a rage. But reporting people for using the words "salty" and "crying" because they "remotely resemble" mocking and taunting is definitely not cool in my book. And I don't like that you seem ready to report players for something that ordinary.
scazzman1 votesI get what you are saying about throwing gas on the fire and yes there are players out there who are trying to provoke their opponents into a rage. But reporting people for using the words "salty" and "crying" because they "remotely resemble" mocking and taunting is definitely not cool in my book. And I don't like that you seem ready to report players for something that ordinary.
these are the majority of the time i see it used and all 3 are toxic
all : player x "player z is afk" all : player y "enemy team" player x is just salty player z ...................
player x can i get gank 10 minutes of no ganks and being camped by the enemy jungler and multiple assistance pings player x can i PLEASE get a gank player y" jungler" cry more noob
all : player x "player y "troll" is feeding all : player z "enemy team"reporting player x for salt" all : player y "troll" cry more"
JRobin311 votesthese are the majority of the time i see it used and all 3 are toxic
all : player x "player z is afk" all : player y "enemy team" player x is just salty player z ...................
Not a toxic use of the word salty: not a manifestation of subconsicous malevolence or psychosis, and not even report worthy.
player x can i get gank 10 minutes of no ganks and being camped by the enemy jungler and multiple assistance pings player x can i PLEASE get a gank player y" jungler" cry more noob
The word cry isn't really the issue here. The issue is the jungler is "cry more" is an encouragement to keep complaining, whereas "stop crying" would be communicating that the jungler doesn't want to hear the complaining. The use of the word "noob" is report worthy, but not a strong indicator of toxicity. Telling a player that he is new to the game isn't really an expression of subconscious malevolence or psychosis. So that means that you read the toxicity into the statement.
all : player x "player y "troll" is feeding all : player z "enemy team"reporting player x for salt" all : player y "troll" cry more"
Again "cry more" is encouragement to to keep complaining. Why not say "stop crying" or even "stop crying please". A player can make "gj" be "toxic" by using it everytime a teammate fails instead of when he succeeds. Saying "reporting player x for salt" is a report threat (similar to how you started this thread with a report threat). It is a passive-aggressive call to report, instead of a direct call to report. The word "salt" in this case refers to what the player is reporting. If a player said "Reporting Player y for feeding". The word "feeding" wouldn't be any more reportable than the use of the word "salt", but the report threat is reportable, because it is a passive-aggressive call to report. Again we aren't really seeing toxicity here. There isn't really a subconscious malevolence or psychosis involved. Player X just wants Player Y to stop feeding. He isn't expressing a desire for bad things to happen to player y. Player z really just wants his team to stop being salty. And Player y really just wants to play the game without other players harassing him (assuming that he isn't actually intentionally feeding in which case it would be toxic, but intentional feed is actual not that common).
So to sum up, the words "salt" and "cry" aren't really at issue here and definitely aren't toxic. You are arguing that these words are guilty by association with reportable statements which is a logical fallacy. Moreover, you appear to be confused about what is toxic vs reportable. Although toxicity is reportable, not all reportable offenses are toxic.
You want to use a "remotely resembles mocking or taunting" criteria to decide whether to report players and it seems to me like you are over-reacting to negative experiences in a way that has the potential to cause your reports to lose value.
scazzman1 votesNot a toxic use of the word salty: not a manifestation of subconsicous malevolence or psychosis, and not even report worthy.
The word cry isn't really the issue here. The issue is the jungler is "cry more" is an encouragement to keep complaining, whereas "stop crying" would be communicating that the jungler doesn't want to hear the complaining. The use of the word "noob" is report worthy, but not a strong indicator of toxicity. Telling a player that he is new to the game isn't really an expression of subconscious malevolence or psychosis. So that means that you read the toxicity into the statement.
Again "cry more" is encouragement to to keep complaining. Why not say "stop crying" or even "stop crying please". A player can make "gj" be "toxic" by using it everytime a teammate fails instead of when he succeeds. Saying "reporting player x for salt" is a report threat (similar to how you started this thread with a report threat). It is a passive-aggressive call to report, instead of a direct call to report. The word "salt" in this case refers to what the player is reporting. If a player said "Reporting Player y for feeding". The word "feeding" wouldn't be any more reportable than the use of the word "salt", but the report threat is reportable, because it is a passive-aggressive call to report. Again we aren't really seeing toxicity here. There isn't really a subconscious malevolence or psychosis involved. Player X just wants Player Y to stop feeding. He isn't expressing a desire for bad things to happen to player y. Player z really just wants his team to stop being salty. And Player y really just wants to play the game without other players harassing him (assuming that he isn't actually intentionally feeding in which case it would be toxic, but intentional feed is actual not that common).
So to sum up, the words "salt" and "cry" aren't really at issue here and definitely aren't toxic. You are arguing that these words are guilty by association with reportable statements which is a logical fallacy. Moreover, you appear to be confused about what is toxic vs reportable. Although toxicity is reportable, not all reportable offenses are toxic.
You want to use a "remotely resembles mocking or taunting" criteria to decide whether to report players and it seems to me like you are over-reacting to negative experiences in a way that has the potential to cause your reports to lose value.
The issue i have with "cry" or "salt" is a. They are both used only when someone is clearly upset and serve no purpose other than to egg the person on and even just simply invalidating them can have a negative impact. and "cry" imparticular is condescending as well. Because it implies immaturity. in my opinion its no different than gg ez. It serves no purpose other than to antagonize. And it' s really just a passive aggressive way of saying "shut up"
Zaryelle1 votesNot a toxic use of the word salty: not a manifestation of subconsicous malevolence or psychosis, and not even report worthy.
The word cry isn't really the issue here. The issue is the jungler is "cry more" is an encouragement to keep complaining, whereas "stop crying" would be communicating that the jungler doesn't want to hear the complaining. The use of the word "noob" is report worthy, but not a strong indicator of toxicity. Telling a player that he is new to the game isn't really an expression of subconscious malevolence or psychosis. So that means that you read the toxicity into the statement.
Again "cry more" is encouragement to to keep complaining. Why not say "stop crying" or even "stop crying please". A player can make "gj" be "toxic" by using it everytime a teammate fails instead of when he succeeds. Saying "reporting player x for salt" is a report threat (similar to how you started this thread with a report threat). It is a passive-aggressive call to report, instead of a direct call to report. The word "salt" in this case refers to what the player is reporting. If a player said "Reporting Player y for feeding". The word "feeding" wouldn't be any more reportable than the use of the word "salt", but the report threat is reportable, because it is a passive-aggressive call to report. Again we aren't really seeing toxicity here. There isn't really a subconscious malevolence or psychosis involved. Player X just wants Player Y to stop feeding. He isn't expressing a desire for bad things to happen to player y. Player z really just wants his team to stop being salty. And Player y really just wants to play the game without other players harassing him (assuming that he isn't actually intentionally feeding in which case it would be toxic, but intentional feed is actual not that common).
So to sum up, the words "salt" and "cry" aren't really at issue here and definitely aren't toxic. You are arguing that these words are guilty by association with reportable statements which is a logical fallacy. Moreover, you appear to be confused about what is toxic vs reportable. Although toxicity is reportable, not all reportable offenses are toxic.
You want to use a "remotely resembles mocking or taunting" criteria to decide whether to report players and it seems to me like you are over-reacting to negative experiences in a way that has the potential to cause your reports to lose value.
No they are not guilty by association, just that usually the people that are worth reporting are also using those words excessively. Either way they don't need to be said and are not going to result a positive response from almost anyone. I already said I wouldn't report anyone solely for using those words, but they are not positive words and it's usually only a small part of their negative attitude in the game.
As the other guy said, they are usually interpreted as condescending by whoever they're directed at, you can use other words that serve the same purpose and aren't interpreted as negative.
It's just like someone calling someone a noob vs calling them garbage. They both mean the same thing in gaming - bad at the game, but garbage is always interpreted as a worse insult than noob, yet people choose to use the word garbage because it will offend the target more than just calling them noob. Some people will even say 'I'm noob' about themselves because it's not even considered that negative, but you won't see anyone calling themselves garbage.
That said, if someone is actually feeding, saying they are intentionally feeding is not negative, but the people that use feeding are usually just saying it to insult someone who is dying a lot. If someone is complaining all game, then saying they are crying is not really a bad thing, but that's not when people actually use crying. They just use it to piss someone off who is complaining about something legitimate, or may not even be complaining at all.
Zaryelle1 votesI get what you are saying about throwing gas on the fire and yes there are players out there who are trying to provoke their opponents into a rage. But reporting people for using the words "salty" and "crying" because they "remotely resemble" mocking and taunting is definitely not cool in my book. And I don't like that you seem ready to report players for something that ordinary.
I don't believe I said I would report any player using the words,but it is more the context - which is that I usually see them using it when it doesn't even apply, when in fact they are the ones being salty. These specific 2 words bother me because I see them specifically used to for lack of a better word, piss people off who are already pissed off for a legitimate reason, and it does more harm than good.
Ah here's what I said "If people are excessively using antagonizing words on purpose like 'salty' 'crying', I will report them at the end." Yes, excessively, as in using it when it doesn't even apply and telling your team they are crying or salty for invalid reasons is just as bad as flaming, they are intentionally trying to piss someone else off, and I don't see how you could interpret it any other way when they typically it is used in the context below in quote:
these are the majority of the time i see it used and all 3 are toxic
all : player x "player z is afk" all : player y "enemy team" player x is just salty player z ...................
player x can i get gank 10 minutes of no ganks and being camped by the enemy jungler and multiple assistance pings player x can i PLEASE get a gank player y" jungler" cry more noob
all : player x "player y "troll" is feeding all : player z "enemy team"reporting player x for salt" all : player y "troll" cry more"
What scazzman just posted is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Almost no one ever calls out the person raging all game and tells them they are crying/salty, it's usually an innocent person just asking for ganks or saying something like wrong masteries, and someone starts saying they're crying or salty or whatever and turn it into something it wasn't even to begin with. In my experience, it's usually the trolls or people that are generally making the game a bad experience who are the ones using those words. It's pretty easy to recognize them because they use those words on a regular basis, and way too often when it doesn't apply to anyone in the game but themselves.
I rarely, rarely, report anyone, maybe like 1/30 games at the maximum, and I've never reported anyone for just saying those words, but for other behavior they are doing in the game, and typically these are the same people overusing the words like salty, toxic, crying, etc.
Zaryelle1 votes@JRobin Complaining about your team =/= complaining about an AFK and nowhere did he say he was complaining all game you just threw that in there
You are part of the problem using words like salty and crying to refer to any instance in which someone is upset. That is one of the worst things you can do in this game that is actually 'toxic'. Exaggerating shit when someone is upset doesn't help either.
JRobin311 votesComplaining about your team is complaining about your team. If the AFK is part of your team and you complain about it, then that means you just complained about your team.
Using words like "salty" and "crying" is not a form of mocking or taunting. These are words that refer directly to people who are upset and people who are complaining. That's just what those words actually mean. If someone on the enemy team tells you that you are being "salty" or that you are "crying", it isn't really an insult!
The OP seems to be ready to make reports on other players doing "anything that remotely resembles mocking or taunting" and appears to include using the descriptors of "salty" and "crying" as part of that. This indicates to me that the OP might be a bit out of touch with what these words actually mean and I don't want to see the OP making reports about things that aren't significant.
Sure, if players actually mock or taunt, then by all means report them! But reporting players for using the words "salty" and "crying" and moreover doing so in a situation where that is actually what is happening in the game and on top of that calling it mocking and taunting? No. No. And uh No. Let's report actual mocking and taunting please and not things that "remotely resemble" it.
You say that "complaining all game" is something that I threw in there. But often these sorts of complaints are continuously made throughout a game. This is a common pattern in the behavior when it occurs - not an unusual one.
Zaryelle1 votesWhat you said would be mostly true, but most of the time when I see people saying 'salty' or 'crying' they are misusing it horrendously. They use it ANY time someone is even complaining about the most minor thing like someone says 'picked wrong masteries' and that's warrant for someone else to say they're salty and crying all game. I see it all the time. That in itself makes crying an salty a mocking word, because I almost never see someone actually use it appropriately,
and honestly usually the people that are using the words 'crying' and 'salty' are the ones who are actually being salty and crying all game. Typically some asshole is raging the whole game, then someone finally replies calm down or stop flaming and then the person who was raging all game says some shit like 'cry more salty b1tch', when they were the ones who were actually crying/salty all game. I almost never see someone actually apply it how it should be used, to the person who was raging all game.
They are indeed mocking words in this sense, and it will always cause more harm than good. If you actually use these words on a regular basis, please stop, they are the freaking definition of toxic in the way people use it in online gaming, no matter what you say it is almost always meant as an insult, and it's usually not even true to the person they're calling salty.
Someone has an AFK, they are upset, you really think the best idea is to throw more fire at them by calling them salty? Then that explains your entire attitude about it right there. If you actually think people don't take it as an insult, you're in denial.
JRobin311 votesI rarely say anything to players on the enemy team when they complain about their team, but I've seen plenty of these kinds of exchanges. If they take it as an insult when someone tells them they are crying or being salty, then that just shows that they have a real problem with their attitude. On the other hand, if you call someone a "b1tch", then it's not the same as just saying someone is being salty... I mean that's an actual insult - not just a description of behavior that is actually occurring in the game.
It's obvious from this thread that some players think that being called salty is an insult. So I'm not in denial that there are players that actually think that. I think that these players maybe the ones that are truly in denial. They don't want to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, their whining attitude is a problem and so they get offended when someone else bothers to point it out to them...
You want to say that my attitude is the problem, but I think that maybe the problem is players that let their emotions overrule their objectivity and want to witch-hunt-report others that call them out on their negative behavior.
I'll repeat it again so that it's very clear to you and anyone else that reads this: When someone says you are being "salty" (particularly when you are), it isn't generally a punishable offense. When some calls you a "b1tch", it is generally a punishable offense.
Do you understand the gravity of what the OP said? The OP made a classic League of Legends "I will report you" threat. I see threats like this in games all the time. He has an axe to grind. It sounds like he's on a witch hunt. The next time this situation occurs, is the OP going to report someone for telling the complainer that he shouldn't "cry" so much? For using the word "salty"?
I don't make reports often but when I do I try to make sure it's for something with substance and not something that "remotely resembles" a behavior I dislike because I have an axe to grind. Please consider what I've said: It's fine to report players for their behavior, but please try to make sure the behavior actually fits the report.
Are you offended because someone was actually trying to demean you? Or are you just offended because someone was pointing out your behavior and it upsets you that he may be right?
Zaryelle1 votesIf people are excessively using antagonizing words on purpose like 'salty' 'crying', I will report them at the end. It's not offensive, but it affects a lot of people in a negative way and it's just not needed, it's words like that that have no purpose except to piss someone else off.
Almost every time someone uses 'salty' or butthurt or crying it's not actually true, they're just trying to start shit or they are toxic as a result of someone else being toxic to them.
That and most of the times when people are using the words 'salty' or 'crying' they are actually the ones being salty/toxic. People nowadays use 'salty', and 'crying' to apply to any situation in which a person is mad or upset, and it's just annoying. I refuse to reply to anyone using those words on a regular basis.
Like someone is mad they have a 4v5 and you tell them they're salty.. what is the point really, how pathetic can you get (referring to person in the game, not you OP)