Reformation is impossible if it is really tied to reports.

SaltyToplaneGoat··1 votes·461 views

If I got it correctly, reformation goes as like X games without getting reported and stuff (following the "showing that you have improved"-logic, which initially does make sense), but whoever created this system most have forgotten that people do report people for literally everything. Reasons vary, from: "I don't like his face" to "Mimimi he pointed out my mistakes and now I'm salty", to "Shut the fuck up you imbecile what do you noob know of the game?! Reported! Enjoy ban!" (said the 3/14 Lee Sin Main, what a surprise). And that doesn't even account for premades spamming reports on you (luckily not so much an issue now that SoloQ is back). Or don't forget the classic: enemies reporting you when you stomped them a bit too hard for their liking.

Reports are flying left and right, that's the one thing that has never really changed since Season 2 (when I started playing) I guess. I mean, there was this short, mysthical time when the honor initiative came in, and suddenly everyone was like SUPER nice. It was creepy. No really, after two games without someone telling me to kill myself was I quite confused as SOMETHING must have been missing from my usually LoL-experience.

How the hell will I ever be able to get my Hextech chest privileges back like that? I have played now over a 100 ranked games (literally, check my match history. The break was somewhere in September if you wanna scroll all the way down) since my ban, not gotten a single warning once, not a single game of intentional feeding or other stuff that would have been at least remotely memorable in a negative way, at least that my own actions concerns. The everyday salt I experience in games is the same as always I guess.

And when you literally play over a 100 games and you still get no chance whatsoever... let's just say that it's not exactly motivating.

Oh, and don't give me the talk about how hextech chests are an "reward for sportmanslike players". If our generic joe average player, who is considered to consist to 50% of pure salt (some scientists say even more), gets it, then it is no "reward" in any way, but the standard.

29 Comments

G4LLOWSC4L1BR4TR3 votes

I've played since preseason 3 without ever getting a single punishment. If you get wrongly punished, send a support ticket and they'll undo the punishment. It's honestly not that hard not to get banned, no matter how many reports you get, because reports don't get you punished without manual review.

Astôlfo1 votes

Actually, reports can get you automatically punished. But said automatic checking system is extremely good at checking for validity of said reports.

G4LLOWSC4L1BR4TR1 votes

Ok, I haven't really got any experience with the system. Regardless, if you are falsely punished there's a way to get your account unpunished, so it really shouldn't be an issue for anyone.

koreansmurf87511 votes

but then In some cases go to mine its stupid and theres nothing behind it, just a bot looking for bad words with no thought

G4LLOWSC4L1BR4TR1 votes

As I've said, if you were falsely punished, contest it with support. If it was rightly applied, then I don't see a problem.

koreansmurf87511 votes

riot listening to ppl lul

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Not always tbh. Many still remember in the first days when the system went downright haywire and punished literally everyone. Not with bans, as that is still up for manual review, but with chat and ranked restrictions.

Yeah, but my problem is not with the punishment system, but rather with the reformation system, which seems to run on "reports recieved" and not "punishment done".

koreansmurf87511 votes

question, an automatic punish

canu get instantly perman banned like me? doesn't there have to be a 2 week or something first?

Astôlfo1 votes

Nope, you can get instantly permabanned for extreme behavior or third party program usage.

koreansmurf87511 votes

was my stuff to that extent? please read the context and keep in mind none of the first game was all chat and all to my 5 man friends in a call

bad arcade kitty1 votes

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I've played since preseason 3 without ever getting a single punishment.

it doesn't mean you weren't reported a lot you were, trust me

G4LLOWSC4L1BR4TR1 votes

I believe it, absolutely. But because they were either false reports or not consistent, I haven't been punished, and if I had been then I could just have gone to support and had any unjust ban removed.

bad arcade kitty1 votes

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I believe it, absolutely. But because they were either false reports or not consistent, I haven't been punished, and if I had been then I could just have gone to support and had any unjust ban removed.

and here is a case where reports which are not enough to get them banned still extend the pending rights restrictions on their account, it's completely different

G4LLOWSC4L1BR4TR1 votes

Unless I'm horribly mistaken, the only time that restrictions on your account are extended is when you're punished in some way, so if the punishment was unjust you can contest it. If that's wrong I'd love a source on it.

He said the last time he was punished was September, and the account drops a tier every three months, so it makes sense that he's not seen any change in his punishment level yet.

Astôlfo3 votes

You realize invalid reports don't count?

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Yeah, and who decides in that flood what's invalid and what not? Given by how "trigger-happy" people are with reports, a human would need shours to check every single game...

Astôlfo1 votes

? The automatic AI does.

Deep Terror Nami5 votes

The system is pretty damn good at weeding out false reports. If you are not being a negative person you'll be fine.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

It has been literally over 100 games. Still no change. I'm doubting the efficiency and accuracy of the system if I am honest here.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

It depends on your behavior and the severity of the punishment you had.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Well going by the message I got back then it was a ban because of ONE game of intentional feeding (only one game listed). Got me a 2 week ban, what is kinda weird because if I report people for that usually nothing happens.

Deep Terror Nami3 votes

Judging from past cases, it's going to take more than 100 games to work off ineligibility from a 14 day ban. This is normal and not due to you getting reported more, so just keep up the good behavior.

koreansmurf87511 votes

question, check out my post and tell me what you guys think

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

Very frequent use of hate speech, urging someone to kill themselves. That is all it takes to immediately perma'd.

koreansmurf87511 votes

can you read

what part of a 5 man in a call together cuz I was muted did u not get? THAT IS WHY I MADE THE POST

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

That doesn't matter. Riot doesn't know that, and you were reported for it. If you can get all the players in your group to submit a ticket (and reference each other's tickets) maybe Riot can take it out.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

So... how much more? This IS kinda stressfull ya know?

bad arcade kitty1 votes

well, to minimize the amount of reports... it's important! don't say a single word in game whatsoever "ss/mia" are ok though, but it is the only in-game exception you also can say "no" or "yes" in the lobby if you are offered a role switch yes, don't make calls "let's push mid", don't thank, don't try to cheer up your team like "we can win it", nothing of that a complete silence is the best defence in this game, you can even intentionally feed and will not be banned if your build isn't stupid as long as you keep silent

koreansmurf87511 votes

because that's smart

has anyone at riot seen any other game?

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