There's no reason for people who don't care, don't try, don't cooperate, or actively tilt their teammates to be allowed to play in the competitive game mode. So my question to Riot is, why are they allowed? If it were about reformation then there's Normals for that. Is it too much to ask to keep those on watch for toxicity away from those who actually care about trying to win with the team? [slayer-jinx-unamused]
AeroWaffle3 votesI mean, toxic players are not allowed to play period once they start getting the 14-day and perma bans.
Normal mode shouldn't become a dumping ground.
The Highest Noon1 votesI mean, toxic players are not allowed to play period once they start getting the 14-day and perma bans.
Normal mode shouldn't become a dumping ground.
Not that it's a dumping ground, I was just saying that if it comes to needing them to play to show that they're improving, they could play Normals instead.
Almost Creative3 votesAs much as I agree with you, there's some people who only play normals or don't play ranked at all to avoid the toxicity in the ranked environment.
Asterfix2 votesI feel like Toxic players should just be muted after their 14 day ban.
Kei1431 votesso ... if my ADC sucks, I'll start taking CS as support and carry.
That might tilt the heck outta the Marksmen, but the gold is really wasted on him cos he's always out of position and dies first.
So due the that strategic disagreement, should I be banned from ranked?
The Highest Noon1 votesso ... if my ADC sucks, I'll start taking CS as support and carry.
That might tilt the heck outta the Marksmen, but the gold is really wasted on him cos he's always out of position and dies first.
So due the that strategic disagreement, should I be banned from ranked?
If your ADC is doing bad, why not offer advice to help them do better? There's always a non-tilting way to handle things.
Quiet Dude2 votesWhy would he give him advice in ranked? If you're playing ADC in ranked and missing CS, then you should know the importance of gold. If I was an ADC in ranked and I knew I was flubbing with my last hits (which has happened), I would not be opposed to my support taking it cause clearly I'm not going to do well later on. I've even encouraged my supports in some rank games to take the gold if I'm sucking.
It shouldn't be tilting if you're a mature adult.
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It shouldn't be tilting if you're a mature adult.
Would a mature adult resort to doing things on their own without any conversation with their ally despite the other player's best efforts?
If you don't communicate and instead go against what your ADC asks because ->YOU<- think it's best, then yes. That's reportable. At that point it constitutes as griefing.
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Would a mature adult resort to doing things on their own without any conversation with their ally despite the other player's best efforts?
Sure, if it calls for it. A lot of people do that in the real world.
If you don't communicate and instead go against what your ADC asks because ->YOU<- think it's best, then yes. That's reportable. At that point it constitutes as griefing.
No, no it's not. If you're failing at your job and someone has to do it for you, feel free to report them. But to date, I haven't heard of one player getting a penalty for picking up their dead weight team mate. So I guess if it makes you feel better, go ahead. Need to assuage those hurt feelings.
Kei1431 votesIf they suck at CSing alone, I wouldn't need to take it (although I still would if it was clearly going to be missed).
I look at positioning and map awareness to determine whether I should change from a baby sitting support style to a carry support style.
If the bot laner keeps getting caught out with bad positioning, then a telling them to look at the mini map every time they try to get a CS won't change a thing at that current time. It'll take more than just 1 word of advice to change that habit.
exitforever1 votesWell it gives no chance at reform then, because normals will be filled with toxic players.
Chalze1 votesI believe this is somewhat a tilt post in the sense that you made this post while tilted by toxicity recently because, well, anyone would be able to see how this is rather unrealistic.
Toxicity is far too broad, thus, Riot's options are fairly limited. Toxicity is a social construct which is impossible to control. Besides, due to the amount of players, even the most regulated communities in any game will include one or two people who spoil the fun for everyone else.
Something like toxicity exists, has existed and will always exist. It's just not something you can rely on the devs to fix, especially something like human nature. The government/police can only do so much about criminals.
So all in all, you can ask for Riot to improve their systems and I believe they're doing what they can, but ultimately, not to discredit Riot, but by accepting the fact that toxicity is a social construct which cannot be regulated, it's best for you not to rely on Riot about matters like this.
Instead, what you can do is rely on yourself, recognize that toxicity is not personal in any way, and through realization and acceptance of other people's personal toxicity, overcome the effects of negativity.
I don't want to sound overly preachy, but honestly, if you make yourself impervious to toxicity, you'll not only be immune to toxicity in game but also outside of it, since human nature transcends League of Legends.
All in all, you can't rely on Riot, but you can always rely on yourself, as long as you allow yourself to be stronger than others. But I understand it's not easy, I have difficulty with this myself. But in the bigger picture and in the long run, it'll be much more rewarding. You're dealing with the issue yourself rather than pushing it aside.
Hope that helps!
The Highest Noon1 votesHope that helps!
Nothing you said changes the fact that people troll and intentionally feed, which is in fact Riot's "problem" to deal with. Philosophy is great but has no place being used against tangible issues. That's not a "social construct," that's a literal, objective detriment.
Chalze1 votesIt's Riot 'problem' to deal with, but it's not possible to get rid of. It will never be impossible to get rid of, not because of Riot, but because LoL is a competitive game. Every PvP will have toxicity, something that cannot be properly regulated. The only real way to fully get rid of toxicity is basically turn LoL into PvE where there is no real way to be toxic.
It's both the nature of the game and human nature, you can't fight it. Toxicity comes from frustration from competition which is entirely a social construct.
