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A proof that the system dosent work (The leaver system ban) and riot only ban for "toxicity"

Phuc Dat Bich··1 votes·1,230 views

So i was playing a game (if you go on my match history the VI game) so we were having a TF that decide to feed because of his own reason so he was just walking in to the enemies and dying so we all decide to report him and move on even the enemies say that they will report him!!!

Half way through the game the enemy mundo start acting cocky and spamming in all chat about how we need to surrend and "open mid" and how we should all just afk and in the end he type "GG EASY"

So i report them both because both of them deserve a BAN

But guess what mundo got his ban i got the notification in the first i didnt knew who was banned but now after a couple hours i check the accounts and i see that this mundo got banned because he havent play any other game but i check TF account and i see 3 more games played and he still have 1/11 2/12 0/10 scores with KARMA this time

And i am asking yeah sure saying "GG EASY" is bad and acting cocky is bad too but this person destroy a game by FEEDING and 3 more and riot still havent take any action

So this is a proof that riot only bother if someone is a bit "toxic" if someone destroy games they just dont care and now i have proof for that

I am not gonna make name calling but like i say for more information check my account and see for your selves

So what the excuse here riot? "He was having bad game"? he say in chat "i am gonna feed" he buy mobility boots and he was running in to the enemies dying

22 Comments

ModWuks5 votes

I can understand your concerns, but from what I'm aware, the Intentional Feeder detection system is in its early live deployment stage, and when a system that could potentially suspend a player for their actions is implemented, Riot tends to ensure the system is working the way it should by manually reviewing cases in which Summoners are flagged. In this way, the system continues to learn "intentionally feeding" behavior while avoiding false positives and suspending innocent players. If you reported the player for Intentionally Feeding and/or the system flagged the player for intentionally feeding, chances are that the report will be looked at by Riot regardless and a punishment will be served if applicable.

Phuc Dat Bich1 votes

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I can understand your concerns, but from what I'm aware, the Intentional Feeder detection system is in its early live deployment stage, and when a system that could potentially suspend a player for their actions is implemented, Riot tends to ensure the system is working the way it should by manually reviewing cases in which Summoners are flagged. In this way, the system continues to learn "intentionally feeding" behavior while avoiding false positives and suspending innocent players. If you reported the player for Intentionally Feeding and/or the system flagged the player for intentionally feeding, chances are that the report will be looked at by Riot regardless and a punishment will be served if applicable.

the problem is that this person is still allowed to play games and destroy games when 9 people i think because all the enemies agree to report him even the toxic enemy mundo reported him and this person still continues play games and he destroy 3 more games as you can see in his match history

So this person is still allowed to destroy games and riot take no action about it

But the moment a person say something "bad" in chat riot insta ban the person

That why i say that riot really need to fix their system yeah toxic players should be banned but when someone is feeding/trolling they need to be INSTA banned too and not allowed them to play more games and destroy more games

And a little more back story about this game to make you realize what kind of mentality this TF was having to realize how much games this person have destroy and i am pretty sure that was the reason why he feed in the next 3 with karma

He say that if the enemy or us pick fiora or mundo he would feed HE SAY it in champ select HE SAY IT in game and he start feeding

And riot still ALLOW to this person to play but when mundo was a bit toxic in chat they insta BAN HIM

Dont you see a problem with that?

ModWuks2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vârg Vikernes,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=nfhxAvBM,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2015-12-07T22:26:51.574+0000)

the problem is that this person is still allowed to play games and destroy games when 9 people i think because all the enemies agree to report him even the toxic enemy mundo reported him and this person still continues play games and he destroy 3 more games as you can see in his match history

So this person is still allowed to destroy games and riot take no action about it

But the moment a person say something "bad" in chat riot insta ban the person

That why i say that riot really need to fix their system yeah toxic players should be banned but when someone is feeding/trolling they need to be INSTA banned too and not allowed them to play more games and destroy more games

And a little more back story about this game to make you realize what kind of mentality this TF was having to realize how much games this person have destroy and i am pretty sure that was the reason why he feed in the next 3 with karma

He say that if the enemy or us pick fiora or mundo he would feed HE SAY it in champ select HE SAY IT in game and he start feeding

And riot still ALLOW to this person to play but when mundo was a bit toxic in chat they insta BAN HIM

Dont you see a problem with that?

Again, the issue isn't that the system gave him a free pass or that the systems don't exist to implement instant suspensions. It's that Riot needs to make sure that their system works in 100% of the cases that are detected before punishments are distributed. Otherwise, it's going to be a huge mess to deal with when a bunch of people who perform poorly are permanently suspended and need to be unsuspended. In which case, the system would need to go down again, and it'll have to be re-reviewed to see what went wrong.

Phuc Dat Bich1 votes

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Again, the issue isn't that the system gave him a free pass or that the systems don't exist to implement instant suspensions. It's that Riot needs to make sure that their system works in 100% of the cases that are detected before punishments are distributed. Otherwise, it's going to be a huge mess to deal with when a bunch of people who perform poorly are permanently suspended and need to be unsuspended. In which case, the system would need to go down again, and it'll have to be re-reviewed to see what went wrong.

A-You still havent explain to me how you have that blue name

B-I didnt say that the system need to go and perma ban everyone who have bad scores but when a case is so obvious that the one i say here and still this player is online and he can play when he have already TODAY destroy 4 games and in 1 i was witness i think it starting to be a problem dont you think

ModWuks1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vârg Vikernes,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=nfhxAvBM,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-07T23:03:53.893+0000)

A-You still havent explain to me how you have that blue name

B-I didnt say that the system need to go and perma ban everyone who have bad scores but when a case is so obvious that the one i say here and still this player is online and he can play when he have already TODAY destroy 4 games and in 1 i was witness i think it starting to be a problem dont you think

A) The Blue name comes from being an Arbiter, one of the volunteer programs under the Riot Games Volunteer Programs. For more information about this program, check out the thread here.

B) In which case, you're more than free to submit a ticket to Riot Games Player Support, but either way, a Rioter will probably need to review the case before a punishment is applied. While these cases may be open-and-shut cases, this player unfortunately isn't the only negative player in League of Legends, and it does take manpower to manually review these cases. If this person is in fact intentionally feeding, I'm sure that when a Rioter reviews this case, you'll see the player won't be feeding anymore.

Jubbinaut1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vârg Vikernes,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=nfhxAvBM,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-07T23:03:53.893+0000)

A-You still havent explain to me how you have that blue name

Here's your explanation:

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/opVBd7rZ-introducing-the-arbiters

Colgate Gator3 votes

This isn't proof, but testimony based on your rambling.

Phuc Dat Bich2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Postal Badger,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=nfhxAvBM,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2015-12-07T21:44:11.273+0000)

This isn't proof, but testimony based on your rambling.

how is not a proof when i provide both of the fact about both of this players?????

Jubbinaut1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vârg Vikernes,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=nfhxAvBM,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2015-12-07T22:22:12.058+0000)

how is not a proof when i provide both of the fact about both of this players?????

Proof would require a significantly larger sample set. Hell, meaningful evidence would require a larger sample set. A single case study with no control factors or accounting for bias should never be used to draw conclusions - merely to inspire questions.

SmokedAlmonds2 votes

This is not intentional feeders being ignored. Intentional feeding is ridiculously more complex than chat issues. Thus harder to detect.

Everyone doesn't get caught, but if you look around the forums a bit you can see people are getting banned for intentional feeding. So your premise that they only ban for toxicity is completely false.

Phuc Dat Bich1 votes

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This is not intentional feeders being ignored. Intentional feeding is ridiculously more complex than chat issues. Thus harder to detect.

Everyone doesn't get caught, but if you look around the forums a bit you can see people are getting banned for intentional feeding. So your premise that they only ban for toxicity is completely false.

dude in that game we have an OBVIOUS case of feeding and riot did nothing about it and this person like i say he destroy 3 more games by feeding with karma (Check his account)

But the moment i report someone for "toxicity" he got insta banned

If that is not a problem then i dont know.....a person goes a game and destroy the game by feeding and riot is like "yeah all cool we will take time we would give him time to feed in more games and destroy more games and maybe we would ban him maybe..."

And then "OH MY GOD SOMEONE SAY SOMETHING "BAD:" IN CHAT? INSTA PERMA BAN NOW THIS IS BAD THIS IS SO WRONG HOW HE DARE TO SAY SOMETHING BAD IN THE CHAT"

I say it many times a toxic person have a counter is called mute

A feeder/troll he dosent have a counter

i mean if i wanted i could just easily mute mundo in that game and it would have been over but i report him because he was spamming alot in all chat for no reason so screw him

But i couldnt do anything about this TF and his feeding

So yeah riot need to realize that feeders/trolls is BIGGER problem than a toxic player

SmokedAlmonds1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vârg Vikernes,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=nfhxAvBM,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2015-12-07T22:20:46.882+0000)

dude in that game we have an OBVIOUS case of feeding and riot did nothing about it and this person like i say he destroy 3 more games by feeding with karma (Check his account)

But the moment i report someone for "toxicity" he got insta banned

If that is not a problem then i dont know.....a person goes a game and destroy the game by feeding and riot is like "yeah all cool we will take time we would give him time to feed in more games and destroy more games and maybe we would ban him maybe..."

And then "OH MY GOD SOMEONE SAY SOMETHING "BAD:" IN CHAT? INSTA PERMA BAN NOW THIS IS BAD THIS IS SO WRONG HOW HE DARE TO SAY SOMETHING BAD IN THE CHAT"

I say it many times a toxic person have a counter is called mute

A feeder/troll he dosent have a counter

i mean if i wanted i could just easily mute mundo in that game and it would have been over but i report him because he was spamming alot in all chat for no reason so screw him

But i couldnt do anything about this TF and his feeding

So yeah riot need to realize that feeders/trolls is BIGGER problem than a toxic player

Parsing chat is just a much simpler task than evaluating behavior. Im not saying he wasn't intentional feeding or that it wasn't obvious to you as a person. It is just hard for an automated system to determine the difference between doing poorly and intentional feeding and they consider reducing false positives more important than catching everyone.

Chat infractions are like smiling for the camera while robbing a gas station.

Trolls being worse than toxic players is purely an opinion. I would say 1 troll is worse than 1 toxic person but In my experience toxic people are significantly more common making it a bigger issue.

Sky of Smiles1 votes

Its unfair to the Mundo.

Hello I am Bird1 votes

As far as I know, the Riot bot takes a few games to ban for intentional feeding.

Also, maybe the Mundo wasn't banned and just stopped playing for a while. #Thoughts

Phuc Dat Bich1 votes

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As far as I know, the Riot bot takes a few games to ban for intentional feeding.

Also, maybe the Mundo wasn't banned and just stopped playing for a while. #Thoughts

i got a notification after i report them that "a player was banned bla bla" so if you think that i a havent report anyone the last 2 days it one of them

And the one continue playing game the other not so you know the fact talking

and no according to riot they make the new system for feeding and afking insta ban when someone is feeding obvious but i dont see happening here and like i say he didnt do bad he say "i am gonna feed" and he start feeding....

FHMarshy1 votes

Sadly, it is actually harder to detect intentional feeding vs being bad. If you are bad, that's not a reportable offense, while intentional feeding is. However, in this case, your TF actually bought items and right items if you might, so it makes it even HARDER to detect the trolling.

On the toxicity prong, I believe mundo is banned not solely because of your game alone but from multiple reports from multiple games. That he deserves.

Phuc Dat Bich1 votes

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Sadly, it is actually harder to detect intentional feeding vs being bad. If you are bad, that's not a reportable offense, while intentional feeding is. However, in this case, your TF actually bought items and right items if you might, so it makes it even HARDER to detect the trolling.

On the toxicity prong, I believe mundo is banned not solely because of your game alone but from multiple reports from multiple games. That he deserves.

he say in chat "i am gonna feed" he buy mobos first item and he was running in to the enemies dying

and he was toxic at the chat too

He wasent having a bad game HE CALLED it that he would feed so if riot check this game they would see that he SAY IT and even the enemies agree to report him in the first 2 minutes where already was having 5 deaths because he was TPing and dying and turret diving at lvl 1 and dying

HE SAY IT

FHMarshy1 votes

That is a whole nother story then.

I guess Mundo was reported more from toxicity in this case. (From more games i meant)

Zombiemaster1 votes

Okay, so 1 person hasn't gotten banned yet for intentionally feeding. 1 person among millions of players is not proof that Riot doesn't ban for intentionally feeding. In fact, there is actual proof that Riot does ban for intentionally feeding on this very board. I know there is a post somewhere here where a person has gotten banned for doing so.

ModWuks2 votes

{quoted}

Okay, so 1 person hasn't gotten banned yet for intentionally feeding. 1 person among millions of players is not proof that Riot doesn't ban for intentionally feeding. In fact, there is actual proof that Riot does ban for intentionally feeding on this very board. I know there is a post somewhere here where a person has gotten banned for doing so.

Confirmed. The Intentional Feeding detection is now/will be part of the Instant Feedback system.

http://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answer/131708836802

DJColdCutz1 votes

This is why I never use the "intentionally feeding" report option. rito's system for banning people who feed isn't as good as their system for banning people for toxic language, and many people get mad and report someone who just sucks for "intentionally feeding" which makes it harder for rito to take those reports seriously. By using the "intentionally feeding" category, you are less likely to get someone banned who deserves it and more likely to decrease the weight of your reports because rito might mistake your ticket as a false one.

Usually people who intentionally feed also are negative with their words, so I am still able to report them for that. I just never tick the "intentionally feeding" box ever.

Saint of SlN1 votes

if you reported a guy just for being a little cocky and saying "gg easy" then you're a bigger jerk than he is. that wasn't harassment, or offensive, or threatening. it was kinda dickish, but not anywhere near a reportable offense. verbal harassment, flaming, being toxic, etc, is when someone is being obviously insulting throughout the game. It seems like you can't say a single word without someone reporting you, these days. people can't even take polite criticism, or suggestions. you can't even press the enter key without someone crying to rito support staff about how mean you are. quit reporting people over nothing.

edit: your summoner name is phuc dat bitch and you're reporting other people? Riot didn't ban you the second they looked at your name? You're right, the system is flawed.

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