Rallying for reports on a player is reportable

Auroramancer·Jul 24, 2016·45 votes·2,405 views

Can a Rioter create a stickied thread or at least reply here to confirm, so that there is an easy to access Rioter post about this?

I've had to explain to many players in the last few days that asking for reports on other players, in all chat or in team chat, is reportable. They either don't believe me, say that it's hearsay, or want source, and I can't find it easily. But I have seen Rioters comment on punishment threads, listing "rallying for reports" as an offense.

43 Comments

SmokedAlmondsJul 24, 201615 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/dBcmRkNo-why-the-reportingban-system-will-never-be-fair?comment=0002

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=dBcmRkNo,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-07-22T17:41:28.314+0000)

I'm happy to shed some light on this.

It only takes 1 report for a game to be reviewed. Punishments (for verbal types) are based entirely on the contents of YOUR chat.

Getting reports beyond 1 does not increase the chance or speed of a game being reviewed. So, the next time you encounter that player spewing off hate speech, just mute them and report them after. There is no reason to ask other players to report them.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/x8RLLENa-pleas-for-help-in-player-behavior-and-toxic-community-fall-on-deaf-ears-with-riot?comment=0000

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=x8RLLENa,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-07-21T02:11:42.491+0000)

It only takes a single report for a game to be reviewed. I'm not sure why you think, or where you heard that something takes 3 reports.

You will end up reported for asking for reports on others because there is no need for it. The only reason to ask for more reports is to flaunt it in the person's face that you are reporting them.

AuroramancerJul 24, 201610 votes

Nice find man. Appreciate it

LuxannaVeritasJul 25, 20161 votes

:O I didn't know about this!!! I always thought (and was always told) that they more reports filed against someone, the higher the chance someone looks at it!

Wish this was easily accessible information though... now I feel bad for asking others to report...

Hey, OP, you do know that this isn't common knowledge for league players atm, right? I beg of you, if you come across someone like in your original post again, don't report them just because they're rallying for reports.

If you tell them that it's a reportable offense, and they act toxic afterwards, I would report. However, if they ask for a source or don't believe you (in a nice way), it's way more probable that they truly don't know. Of course, I'll make an effort to do the same and spread the word.

NappyXIIIJul 25, 20161 votes

Isn't this a matter of transparency in Riots system rather than an at-fault of the player base? This should be made clear to all players through the system itself as well.

LuxannaVeritasJul 25, 20161 votes

Absolutely; I forgot to add that to my comment. :/

As I mentioned above, this information is not "easily accessible." Currently you can find it by digging through board posts... this needs to be somewhere more noticeable.

AuroramancerJul 25, 20161 votes

I've come across both kinds of players.

There are those who are salty af about being told that what they did was reportable and they then lash out again.

There are also those who consider the idea that it is reportable and dont act toxic afterwards.

But yeah, this is why I'm asking for Rioter source/confirmation, so that players can actually know this.

Lestat S46Jul 25, 20165 votes

Thats dumb as hell. If only one person reports, yes check out the report and do what is required. If the same person got reported 6 times in the same game he clearly did something fucked up. and if it doesnt move him up to be reviewed faster then it should mean a harsher punishment if he pissed off 6 people enough to report him.

redfeenixJul 25, 20161 votes

exactly, espeically if its people from BOTH teams reporting. that should set off a red flag in the system.

Jesus is SaviorJul 25, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lestat S46,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=n71oTFrf,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2016-07-25T01:21:37.366+0000)

Thats dumb as hell. If only one person reports, yes check out the report and do what is required. If the same person got reported 6 times in the same game he clearly did something fucked up. and if it doesnt move him up to be reviewed faster then it should mean a harsher punishment if he pissed off 6 people enough to report him.

Some people report for things that aren't against the rules.

eg: picking non-meta picks and then doing bad with them

bill84Jul 25, 20161 votes

But if they actually did something that fucked up, wouldn't riot find that while they are reviewing it and give that person a harsher punishment?

Pika FoxJul 25, 20162 votes

Its less so about the reports per game, and moreso about the games reported in a window of time.

If youre reported 9 times in 1 game every year (playing 1000 games a year) is one thing. Being reported 1 time in the last 9 of 10 games shows more of a pattern.

Obviously two extremes, but still.

yZebr ZuJul 25, 20161 votes

Not really, got 4 or 5 man reported once for toxic( all I did was say how top should help to teamfight not farm at full build already. The enemy team joined in too and i got chat restricted for 10 games. May not change time to review, but it changes other things.

SmokedAlmondsJul 25, 20161 votes

Getting punished after a 4 or 5 report game doesn't at all tell you that the multiple reports were the reason you got punished. At best it suggests it, but even that is a stretch.

The fact that you got reported 4 or 5 doesn't doest tell us anything about how many were needed to trigger the review that led to your punishment.

ZyvuxJul 24, 20166 votes

The reason people ask for reports is because many seasons ago that is actually how the system worked iirc: the more reports someone got, the faster their case would be reviewed in the tribunal, and the the more reports in a game, the more likely that it will be one of the games reviewed in their case. I still do think that, even though they state only one report is enough to flag a game, that more reports in a single game will make that game be prioritized for review compared to a game with much fewer reports. The issue is, if they ever make a statement about it, it'll just restart the report bandwagon, which is why they only state that one report is enough to flag a game. It's obvious that constantly asking for reports is considered "toxic", but it will be a while until that behavior dies out, especially with older players who were around when bandwagoning reports made the game be reviewed faster.

CrazFight Jul 24, 20164 votes

Its fine to say "ok, lets just report this riven after" Its different to say "Fuk this riven, "all chat": Everyone report this bitch trolling riven"

BigBellBruteJul 24, 20164 votes

Well if they're asking legitly, then it shouldn't be reported and you should report who they ask to. If they're lying, you should report the one asking. . If you don't know whether they're lying or not, well no action should be taken.

DG BanksJul 24, 20161 votes

yeah and lets all just hope and assume that everybody runs on the honor system lmao

Ashe JungleJul 24, 20163 votes

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Well if they're asking legitly, then it shouldn't be reported and you should report who they ask to. If they're lying, you should report the one asking. . If you don't know whether they're lying or not, well no action should be taken.

Asking for reports is basically a way of harassing someone. That's true gardless of whether that person deserves to be reported; it's also annoying and distracting for everyone else. Two wrongs don't make a right.

WimbledofyJul 25, 20163 votes

it isn't harassment. It's only harassment if you say it in a harassing way like "report this something being a little something, he should just kill himself." But if you got a guy afk or someone running down mid intentionally feeding and you just say "please report X for afk" there is no way you could call that harassment.

Mistress MadokaJul 25, 20162 votes

Another way to do it is just say something like ":/ x is afk"

90% of the time AFKs are reported regardless of whether you ask or not

Ashe JungleJul 26, 20161 votes

{quoted}

it isn't harassment. It's only harassment if you say it in a harassing way like "report this something being a little something, he should just kill himself." But if you got a guy afk or someone running down mid intentionally feeding and you just say "please report X for afk" there is no way you could call that harassment.

At the best case, when someone is legitimately running down mid and intent feeding, asking for reports is (A) useless; a single report is all that is needed to trigger a review and (B) potentially annoying for your teammates. Like, I (your teammate) already know they're running down mid and feeding. I'm trying to ignore that so I can still enjoy the rest of the game ; I don't need you reminding me of how they're feeding, too.

At worst, they're not actually intentionally feeding; they're just having a bad game. You know how it feels when you're having a bad game and someone's yelling at you in chat, calling you a feeder? Asking for reports feels just like that, except worse, because you're asking other to join in the harassment.

Maybe you only ever ask for reports in the first scenario, but the second one is all too common.

DG BanksJul 24, 20161 votes

i have heard that as well , but after I report people for: spamming please report Player X in all chat: I never see a punishment for it. That I know of at least.

SmokedAlmondsJul 24, 20162 votes

You will never see other's punishments the overwhelming majority of the time. Those pop up messages are not a good metric for anything. They are not meant to tell you every person you report gets punished, just periodic reminders that they do work.

DG BanksJul 24, 20162 votes

i read from a riot support member that the report is sent to you if you were involved in the game that triggered their punishment. Like the chat restriction sends you the 3 games involved in the punishment but you only get the message if you were in the last game that actually triggered the punishment. so what im saying is i never get the pop ups when I report people for the spam report calling in all chat. But there is many reasons as to why I wouldnt be getting them. like if it wasnt in the most recent game...

SmokedAlmondsJul 24, 20162 votes

Most punishments are the result of more than 1 game. No matter how many games a punishment was for only the person from the last game that triggered the punishment gets the warning. This also only includes punishments by the instant feedback and there is some to suggest that if more than 1 person report in the final game, not all will be notified as I have seen quite a few people mentioned they were grouped with someone and both reported a person and only 1 got the message.

Not getting the message doesn't mean anything.

DG BanksJul 24, 20161 votes

im aware not getting the message doesnt mean anything , all i said was i have never gotten a message when reporting for the spam calling for reports

scazzmanJul 24, 20161 votes

from my understanding. asking for reports is "toxic" however the system wont punish you for it unless you hurl insults on the side, do it every single game, ask for reports 50 times in a game or are coming off a 14 day ban.

ArakadiaJul 24, 20161 votes

Why is it a bad thing?

AeszarckJul 24, 20161 votes

{quoted}

Why is it a bad thing?

Because it only takes one report for a game to be reviewed. Asking for reports is unnecessary because you'll be reporting the person, and it's harassment since you're telling the person that he or she deserves to be reported. Though that may be true, it's completely unnecessary, and you can keep it to yourself like any other insult.

ArakadiaJul 25, 20161 votes

Doesn't feel like an insult. I'll change my ways.

redfeenixJul 25, 20161 votes

Meh I think its okay to vent your frustrating and ask the enemy team to report a player. Thats just the natural part of the game ie the losing team says: gg report singed for toxic, or gg report cho for feeding , or gg report yorick for AFK. I think thats totally fine.

Whats not fine is harassing / forcing people into reporting people.

What do you think. I think that saying gg report lux or something shouldnt be bannable at all..

scazzmanJul 25, 20161 votes

{quoted}

Meh I think its okay to vent your frustrating and ask the enemy team to report a player. Thats just the natural part of the game ie the losing team says: gg report singed for toxic, or gg report cho for feeding , or gg report yorick for AFK. I think thats totally fine.

Whats not fine is harassing / forcing people into reporting people.

What do you think. I think that saying gg report lux or something shouldnt be bannable at all..

i agree with this.

"report lux for toxic" - should be ok

"report lux for toxic or i report all 9 players" not ok

redfeenixJul 25, 20161 votes

oh wtf is that whats going on ?? LMAO hahah rofl. report her or i report EVERYONE! that would sound so srs IRL eh.

AuroramancerJul 25, 20161 votes

I'm not basing this on my opinion, I'm basing it on what a Rioter has said on the issue, and just looking for Rioter confirmation/source on this for other players to see

Mandang0Jul 25, 20161 votes

Classic Riot bs.

Want to inform the players that only 1 report per game is needed? Fine. Want to encourage players to spread the word? That's great. Make asking for reports a punishable offense? Nooooo.

This whole part about "flaunting" seems more personal projection than anything. Perhaps the players asking for the reports legitimately don't know only one report per game is counted (how would they unless they read the forums?!).

Hell, now that I think of it, why DOES Riot limit it to one report per game? So long as the multiple reports aren't coming from the same premade, I don't see any abuse case, and I think there's valuable data in distinguishing between the support that gets reported by his butthurt ADC in a game they win anyway and 4 reports against the Tyler1 that runs it down mid because his support made one small mistake.

Laqutis BotJul 29, 20161 votes

I agree that multiple reports should carry more weight than individuals (except premades), but the main reason asking for reports is bannable is because you can have games where someone is doing badly because they are outmatched or whatever, and suddenly one person on your team starts blaming them and claiming they are trolls 'report x feeding on purpose', and some teammates will see they indeed have a 'terrible' score and report the person even when they did nothing wrong but have a bad game/ bad matchup. Not only that, but when someone starts saying report x, the other players will often start blaming x for everything going wrong in the game, like bad team fight, suddenly everyones saying 'x is shit, x is trash at y champion' etc.

Asking for reports for someone who is genuinely trolling or creating a terrible attitude in chat/with ping spamming is not necessarily bad, but I think it's more often someone asking for reports just cause they don't like them or they're having a bad game, or want to blame someone else for their own mistakes as well.

ToastersaotJul 25, 20161 votes

I had a Support Lee Sin Int feeding mid lane, with the enemy obviously picking up on it. I asked please report Lee, as he was trolling. The enemy did so when I asked.

Pika FoxJul 25, 20161 votes

Id state that it depends on context (like literally everything that comes with reporting).

Asking for people to report someone who AFKd or DCd or whatever is likely fine.

Asking for people to report someone you just dont like, and repeatedly doing so when you were a part of the confrontation isnt, especially if you ask the enemy team to report someone who did literally nothing in all chat, so theyd have no proof of it.

Essentially, like everything else, depends on what was stated, how it was stated, etc.

Mistress MadokaJul 25, 20161 votes

Ahh yes. Reminds me of a few days ago When Yasuo wanted to Report me for Scripting (Disclaimer: I wasn't scripting.)

"Wow ok Morde scripting pls report"

But the funniest part of it all

Was that Yasuo was on My team.

I Go Pew Pew PewJul 25, 20161 votes

Yeah, I disagree with it.

(disagree that it should be reportable, not that it is)

warpenguin555Jul 25, 20161 votes

hell i still do it. downvote if you want but im not seeing how asking for extra reports is toxic

Laqutis BotJul 27, 20161 votes

I understand that a certain type of asking for reports is bannable: "report fizz feed/troll" etc

but what about in ARAM when we get bots in our game doing really badly like 0/20/0 doing nothing but turret diving over and over, sometimes I'll say 'report bots' or 'if you see botting in pvp, report it plz' at the end without saying their name, I wonder if they would consider this asking for reports.

I would never ask for a 'new/bad or annoying' player to be reported, but if they are a bot they need to get banned ASAP.

AuroramancerJul 28, 20161 votes

That is like the singular exception where it is always okay