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Which Game do you honestly think I was Intentionally Feeding on More?

Ada Wong··1 votes·998 views

This game where a player took my Role, and made the game unplayable because I went off meta top, to my knowledge Riot doesn't punish for off meta, and if I wasn't trolled and forced to jungle this which I tried to farm enemy jungle and couldn't with no clear then I wouldn't have died 14 times or have as awful stats as this (IMO) this game is worse than the game Riot also thinks I intentionally fed playing Azir Mid and doing awful with it within recent games.

Like I am not accusing the player who went top lane and trolled me for Intentional Feeding either because honestly I think they just gave up, and didn't respect what was laid out at champion selection to begin with, but the real question is how to get Riot to see and understand that players doing this can impact the performance of other players in a game in a negative way.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2160904213/37682357?tab=overview

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The game where I went Azir after seeing someone else and playing him god awful

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2152130061/37682357?tab=overview

Honestly I put in an appeal, and Riot is even questioning my second game here for intentionally feeding...

I was under the impression that players didn't get punished for doing bad but it appears Riot is questioning players games now for having bad games when suspended for intentionally feeding...

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2151015244/37682357?tab=overview

Is riot going to start punishing players who have no frigging idea what they are doing, I am not calling the enemy Lux an Intentional Feeder because honestly I do not believe they are not but me getting fed off them because they lacked the skills to understand what they needed to do wait until I used my (E) before binding me and getting fed off me plus no help from the jungler, how can you blame a person for doing awful in a few games on their histories. (But since I knew this, and since I am fast at it, I could just wait until lux tosses out her (Q) at me then jump on her and kill her every time leaving her with like no defense because (E) on a kat can go over a Lux (Q)?

Honestly I can understand my last game being label as an Intentional Feeder, and Last year when I had a 10-15 game loss being called an intentional feeder because of forced roles with idiots in my eyes, but since the new role system I have not had as much of a loss streak in 4 maybe going on 5 months, or been banned for Intentional Feeding until 2 days ago, so yep makes perfect sense?

17 Comments

disregardable2 votes

www.replay.gg/search/na/ada wong#2149921970

Watched your replay. Ban deserved.

Ada Wong2 votes

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www.replay.gg/search/na/ada wong#2149921970

Watched your replay. Ban deserved.

The one where I died 18 times?

disregardable1 votes

Yup. Don't even bother making up an excuse. I watched the whole game.

Ada Wong1 votes

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Yup. Don't even bother making up an excuse. I watched the whole game.

not even seeing that in my match history on the site.

And Riot said I was banned for feeding my last game with Sona anyways which was the game i was trolled in.

I just clicked match history link I dont see this game ?

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA/37682357

disregardable2 votes

replay.gg links it if you click "show details".

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2149921970/1?tab=overview

Ada Wong1 votes

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replay.gg links it if you click "show details".

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2149921970/1?tab=overview

Cool thanks it still doesnt show in regular way of viewing I will have to see if I can download and look at it myself, but if I remember correctly this wasn't intentional feeding.

You also have to keep in mind that half my games are idiots who argue so I /mute all everyone I cant hear what anyone says.

SmokedAlmonds2 votes

Honestly after watching that fiora game I don't even know what to say. How can you call your team mates when you have games like that?

I really would like an answer to this, what made you think that you as a level 11 Fiora that is 5/14/2 could fight the level 16 tryndamere that is 17/5/8? It isn't like his kills being similar to your deaths is an accident. You had to know he was fed.

I mean you are massively behind that entire game because you basically die, right click the enemy wolves or red and die in their jungle over and over again, the entire game. Near the end you straight up walk up and attack an inhib turret without minions and just die after hitting it like twice.

Your words just do not match up with your play at all. Just like disregardable, I watched the whole thing. This isn't just "looks bad on paper". If you are telling me that fiora game isn't intentionally feeding, I don't know what to tell you. Other than you need to find a way not to tilt so hard that your play literally becomes indistinguishable from intentional feeding.

Ada Wong1 votes

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Honestly after watching that fiora game I don't even know what to say. How can you call your team mates when you have games like that?

I really would like an answer to this, what made you think that you as a level 11 Fiora that is 5/14/2 could fight the level 16 tryndamere that is 17/5/8? It isn't like his kills being similar to your deaths is an accident. You had to know he was fed.

I mean you are massively behind that entire game because you basically die, right click the enemy wolves or red and die in their jungle over and over again, the entire game. Near the end you straight up walk up and attack an inhib turret without minions and just die after hitting it like twice.

Your words just do not match up with your play at all. Just like disregardable, I watched the whole thing. This isn't just "looks bad on paper". If you are telling me that fiora game isn't intentionally feeding, I don't know what to tell you. Other than you need to find a way not to tilt so hard that your play literally becomes indistinguishable from intentional feeding.

1.) Is there a way I can view the game without League OF Legends opened Can't watch the replay because the account is suspended obviously and it won't let me watch in Fire Fox which i installed the 45 client version.

2.) I would love to answer this I need to go back into the damn game and look at it though, if I remember correctly I took a different off meta build in this game and went mid with it for a different type of play, I don't remember the exactly what happened though would be easier to answer this if I could go back in and look at a replay of the game, so any way I can view outside?

What I am curious about is "Why I am behind, I don't really remember that but I looked on the history and it says I was ahead at 6 minutes in, what I want to do is go back into the game and see exactly what was going on so i can honestly look at it.

3.) True I need to play her better for sure, not sure what the factor was in this game of why I started doing bad it says I played on the 6th of this month though.

. I still don't think its this game that got me banned for feeding though, I think the automated system to filter out those who "Intentionally Feed vs "Just playing very awful" checks through multiple games that the player has played and looks to see if a user does the same thing over and over, and over again for example.

. A player who plays one champion over and over again and feeds

. A player who was feeding from the start of the game didn't get first blood etc and dies to the same champion over and over again.

. A player who is behind many levels compared to other players

. A player who dies over and over again

I think the automated system checks through Intentionally feeding cases by (Stats) of the game and rates them over a certain amount of numbers, and then if a player actually (Does as bad as I did my last game with Sona) gets banned for (Feeding) because usually a player who does this bad is (Intentionally Feeding) but what the system failed to take into account for is the fact that I was trolled hard in the game by a player stealing my role, and this is where a GM needs to take a look at the game and see that I am correct that the player did go into to lane and grief and make adjustments to the system.

Like I could understand having a much worse match history this month doing this as intentionally feeding, and would love to go back and review this game if possible, because if Its the one I am thinking about I am not sure I play many games there was a reason for doing this awful I would need to see it though to be sure, but obviously if I was intentionally just going to feed for sure I would not have even bothered to get the first kills, although I can see something happened at around 10 minutes into the game which is what I would like to go back and take a look at, but I am guessing I got caught in the jungle with smite on playing the off meta way and he popped his ultimate on me just guessing.

I honestly think we all did a good job feeding the Tryndamere anyways but something I have to work at doing better for sure is making sure the enemy's ultimate is down kinda hard to do in solo queue, because if it were my friends on teamspeak we would call when an ultimate is used, mark it down, and know when to fight and not for example.

SmokedAlmonds2 votes

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1.) Is there a way I can view the game without League OF Legends opened Can't watch the replay because the account is suspended obviously and it won't let me watch in Fire Fox which i installed the 45 client version.

Not as far as I know.

2.) I would love to answer this I need to go back into the damn game and look at it though, if I remember correctly I took a different off meta build in this game and went mid with it for a different type of play, I don't remember the exactly what happened though would be easier to answer this if I could go back in and look at a replay of the game, so any way I can view outside?

What I am curious about is "Why I am behind, I don't really remember that but I looked on the history and it says I was ahead at 6 minutes in, what I want to do is go back into the game and see exactly what was going on so i can honestly look at it.

You started out 1/0/1, then you hit level 6(roughly 12 minutes in) and just never go back to lane. You just run into their jungle and die over and over. The only thing limiting your deaths from this point to the end of the games is basically your death timer plus the time it takes to find someone from the enemy team.

Nothing was really going on at that point. You were doing fine mid. At 9 minutes you gank bot and die in an incredibly bad tower dive. I'm willing to write this one off as red mist. You basically never go back to lane after this. You have 31 of the 53 cs you end with. That is why you fall behind.

3.) True I need to play her better for sure, not sure what the factor was in this game of why I started doing bad it says I played on the 6th of this month though.

The play in that game is so far beyond needing to play better on a champion. I cant see a single indication that you did a single thing to stop feeding. You never stop building glass cannon and continually seek out the enemy in their jungle throughout the entire game despite the fact that you are so far behind that you couldn't possible win any engage.

. I still don't think its this game that got me banned for feeding though, I think the automated system to filter out those who "Intentionally Feed vs "Just playing very awful" checks through multiple games that the player has played and looks to see if a user does the same thing over and over, and over again for example.

Maybe not, but we are talking about it because we have a replay. Although I will say the death map for this game looks very similar to the one in the sona game. So whether or not you were actually punished for the fiora game, I dont know. But what ever happened in the sona game seems to have pretty clearlly also happened in the fiora game. It also supports that this isn't an isolated incident.

. A player who plays one champion over and over again and feeds

. A player who was feeding from the start of the game didn't get first blood etc and dies to the same champion over and over again.

. A player who is behind many levels compared to other players

. A player who dies over and over again

I think the automated system checks through Intentionally feeding cases by (Stats) of the game and rates them over a certain amount of numbers, and then if a player actually (Does as bad as I did my last game with Sona) gets banned for (Feeding) because usually a player who does this bad is (Intentionally Feeding) but what the system failed to take into account for is the fact that I was trolled hard in the game by a player stealing my role, and this is where a GM needs to take a look at the game and see that I am correct that the player did go into to lane and grief and make adjustments to the system.

I don't think that the stats of a match are particularly high up on importance for detecting intentional feeding. I think it is more judging your movement and the abilities you cast in fights. but really its all speculation and not really helpful to anything. The troll in that game is not a factor in you running into the enemy jungle and dying 14 times.

Like I could understand having a much worse match history this month doing this as intentionally feeding, and would love to go back and review this game if possible, because if Its the one I am thinking about I am not sure I play many games there was a reason for doing this awful I would need to see it though to be sure, but obviously if I was intentionally just going to feed for sure I would not have even bothered to get the first kills, although I can see something happened at around 10 minutes into the game which is what I would like to go back and take a look at, but I am guessing I got caught in the jungle with smite on playing the off meta way and he popped his ultimate on me just guessing.

I don't think frequency is a factor for intentional feeding cases. Almost all the ones I see have only 1 or 2 instances.

I mean, a switch was obviously flipped at around 9 minutes. I guess the big question is was your first death a part of the whole thing. It was an extremely questionable dive, but I'm willing to give the benefit the doubt on that one. So my best guess is that for some reason that failed gank tilted you and you 100% just gave up. After that death you basically stopped playing. That or something had to happen outside of the game. After you leave lane at level 6, you never go back the entire game. Just run into the enemy jungle and die or kill immediately back and do it again.

I honestly think we all did a good job feeding the Tryndamere anyways but something I have to work at doing better for sure is making sure the enemy's ultimate is down kinda hard to do in solo queue, because if it were my friends on teamspeak we would call when an ultimate is used, mark it down, and know when to fight and not for example.

Not really. You were 3 of his first 4 kills and it was all downhill from there. Ya he killed others too, but you died to tryndamere, they got steamrolled by a fed trynd while you were still running into his jungle over and over.

Ada Wong1 votes

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Not as far as I know.

You started out 1/0/1, then you hit level 6(roughly 12 minutes in) and just never go back to lane. You just run into their jungle and die over and over. The only thing limiting your deaths from this point to the end of the games is basically your death timer plus the time it takes to find someone from the enemy team.

Nothing was really going on at that point. You were doing fine mid. At 9 minutes you gank bot and die in an incredibly bad tower dive. I'm willing to write this one off as red mist. You basically never go back to lane after this. You have 31 of the 53 cs you end with. That is why you fall behind.

The play in that game is so far beyond needing to play better on a champion. I cant see a single indication that you did a single thing to stop feeding. You never stop building glass cannon and continually seek out the enemy in their jungle throughout the entire game despite the fact that you are so far behind that you couldn't possible win any engage.

Maybe not, but we are talking about it because we have a replay. Although I will say the death map for this game looks very similar to the one in the sona game. So whether or not you were actually punished for the fiora game, I dont know. But what ever happened in the sona game seems to have pretty clearlly also happened in the fiora game. It also supports that this isn't an isolated incident.

I don't think that the stats of a match are particularly high up on importance for detecting intentional feeding. I think it is more judging your movement and the abilities you cast in fights. but really its all speculation and not really helpful to anything. The troll in that game is not a factor in you running into the enemy jungle and dying 14 times.

I don't think frequency is a factor for intentional feeding cases. Almost all the ones I see have only 1 or 2 instances.

I mean, a switch was obviously flipped at around 9 minutes. I guess the big question is was your first death a part of the whole thing. It was an extremely questionable dive, but I'm willing to give the benefit the doubt on that one. So my best guess is that for some reason that failed gank tilted you and you 100% just gave up. After that death you basically stopped playing. That or something had to happen outside of the game. After you leave lane at level 6, you never go back the entire game. Just run into the enemy jungle and die or kill immediately back and do it again.

Not really. You were 3 of his first 4 kills and it was all downhill from there. Ya he killed others too, but you died to tryndamere, they got steamrolled by a fed trynd while you were still running into his jungle over and over.

Thanks ill be sure to take a look at the game and see what happened, Yes if some player fail ganks hard early game usually that throws me off hard not sure if that happened in this game or not because its been awhile ago, but usually if something bad happens like that I Try to change up a bit so hopefully the game doesn't go as bad, again I don't remember much about the this game which is kinda why I need to go back and see it. ( I am not sure because its been awhile back but why I fed the tryndamere in the first place I need to really go back and see this because there are likely some changes I would make in future games in that same situation that might work out better.)

I am still waiting for Riot to respond about the games they are questioning me about I know the Sona game got me banned for sure that is the game in question, and Azir getting steam rolled Nidalee is really what they are asking me about.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2152130061/37682357?tab=overview&participant=1

Right now they are mostly questioning me about this one and my Sona game and Azir, as they were likely the most recent I remember this one more-less because it was awful I got jumped on by the nidalee mid lane with her spear if I remember correctly and killed early on easily from there it was down-hill hard, not sure if my team was toxic or anything was said because I usually /mute all most my games when people rage for any reason I don't want to hear it and go about the game.

entitledplayer1 votes

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Honestly after watching that fiora game I don't even know what to say. How can you call your team mates when you have games like that?

I really would like an answer to this, what made you think that you as a level 11 Fiora that is 5/14/2 could fight the level 16 tryndamere that is 17/5/8? It isn't like his kills being similar to your deaths is an accident. You had to know he was fed.

I mean you are massively behind that entire game because you basically die, right click the enemy wolves or red and die in their jungle over and over again, the entire game. Near the end you straight up walk up and attack an inhib turret without minions and just die after hitting it like twice.

Your words just do not match up with your play at all. Just like disregardable, I watched the whole thing. This isn't just "looks bad on paper". If you are telling me that fiora game isn't intentionally feeding, I don't know what to tell you. Other than you need to find a way not to tilt so hard that your play literally becomes indistinguishable from intentional feeding.

^ I also investigated the offending games, and also researched other games for context.

http://www.replay.gg/search/na/AdaWong# http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=AdaWong http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/23564572

In a multitude of these matches, you were making choices that contextually never can or would make sense to a player skilled at the role, champion, or both.

Everything here is sus AF because of it, and I'm feel as if you don't understand or don't care about the difference that is visual in a player who is having a bad game, and a player who trolls because he was inconvenienced/offended by another and then decided to break cohesion by holding everyone hostage by intentionally feeding, and the line is obviously blurred to you.

Ada Wong1 votes

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^ I also investigated the offending games, and also researched other games for context.

http://www.replay.gg/search/na/AdaWong# http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=AdaWong http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/23564572

In a multitude of these matches, you were making choices that contextually never can or would make sense to a player skilled at the role, champion, or both.

Everything here is sus AF because of it, and I'm feel as if you don't understand or don't care about the difference that is visual in a player who is having a bad game, and a player who trolls because he was inconvenienced/offended by another and then decided to break cohesion by holding everyone hostage by intentionally feeding, and the line is obviously blurred to you.

Riot stated in the past they do not ban based off player skill, bad playing, or not following a specific meta, for example players who choose to take LuLu top/mid, or another non specified champion mid for example which most people wouldn't do not being ban worthy, or for example getting ganked a lot, getting counter picked, or doing flat out bad wouldn't be ban worthy.

Another example, taking champion spells people don't agree with especially in lower elo no one takes cleanse most of the time, or smite in lane phase in higher elo and LCS some players have to my knowledge.

You have to look at the issue of feeding as well, if two champions no runes, or masteries went up to each-other and attacked each-other at the same time who do you think would win??? Base stats only, considering no one moves, or does anything... (OF course a champion with the higher base stats would win a fight depending on many base stat factors, and scaling, which also has a huge point to why players feed in a MOBA usually its not intentional, and as I said earlier I wouldn't blame a person for going top like Shyvana did earlier and (Feed 8 times) if they didn't intentionally Role-Steal I wouldn't have a problem with them playing bad, based off what I saw they just flat out sucked at trading, likely run the wrong specific rune-set, and spells for countering him but if they played correctly could have won or done better. (However when they took the role and then did this I have a big problem with it.)

. I looked at my match history, and I can understand why my last match feeding as Sona because the griefer took my top lane and refused to let me play the role and comp that was laid out which has still not been addressed by Riot in the support ticket to why they allowed this. For example LuLu, Mid/Top might work there just like Sona Mid I see others doing it, even top in some cases and it can work well, but (not if forced to have to play jungle) to play solo go try playing sona jungle in a test game with the same loadout I had and see how well it works for you.

. The email told me that this is the game I was banned for in my support ticket they brought out another game the last one I can really remember playing was "Azir Mid" I tried this after getting my ass kicked by an "Azir" and did awful ( I didn't intentionally feed) but rather the way he has to constantly attack the enemy for his stuff to work was not good when I was getting hit by nidalee spears and easily killed.

Which leads me to the point that Riot stated before Playing Badly, or Feeding because of (X) reason here besides (Intentionally Feeding) was not a ban worthy offense, Okay I understand if a player does this over and over constantly, without getting any positive wins, or admitting that they are going to intentionally feed the enemy, and such, but giving a 2 weeks suspension for a game because a player chooses to flat out troll me in the game, and that issue isn't taken care of is a huge problem, because now players are going to do this type of toxicity to others, make them rage in chat, or feed, and then get them banned is all that is going to happen here.

Its honestly not the first time players do this there are other posts on the boards here which show there is an issue with players doing this type of toxicity, in general for most players (Following a standard meta) or playing a (Safe Champion) ex. Lux, Heimer, it would be possible to change roles and sit on a turret doing your best not to feed, but when you have a champion selected for a (Specific Role) and you get a griefer doing this even when you tell them (No don't don't do it.) and they do it anyways this is where something needs to be done.

Honestly despite me having some bad games prior to getting banned with feeding on Sona last, I likely wouldn't be banned for 2 weeks (If this troll had not have came into the game flat out trolled and got me banned.) I didn't talk shit in chat I muted everyone, I played the game and did poorly because of this toxic player My stats might not have been perfect but I know that I could have played better to a certain point given the comp that I would have been fighting and specific plan to at least not get banned for intentionally feeding.

So players abusing this really need to get dealt with, and its really disturbing to know Riot isn't really taking the issue seriously of Riot Role-Stealing and Griefing, I understand prior to the new Role Selection of players arguing over Roles, but Riot has done a great job at putting in this system and players are abusing it and it needs to be dealt with. (For example if I want to go (X) Champin mid and intentionally feed, then damn-well let me Feed and get myself perm-banned, there is no reason to be arguing, being toxic, and role-griefing just because you don't agree with something because 99% of the time I don't agree with what others do but I don't take their role and go grief for the fun of it.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/HRENvR5P-players-stealing-roles-in-dynamic-queue

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/Ifzbmnvi-report-for-not-playing-the-given-role

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/82LrP7st-daily-reminder-still-no-recourse-for-champ-select-role-forcers

Which all this brings me to a point of the summoners code, if players which some are rarely willing to do actually needed the help not to feed, and bothered to actually ask for it, or learn to understand things the way I do, then I would teach them how I am playing in an actual group fight for every fight, but its always 99% of matches when someone Feeds, players rage, people get upset every single time ( I just don't want to hear it I have to always mute that type of shit, even if its not me feeding even if I am 10-0 or 10-1 at the time players are arguing with other players constantly, but honestly even the things that I would be showing a newb are explained on "YouTube" in many videos it just has to be watched and understood, and honestly it takes all 5 players to make a successful team-play the best which is why (LCS) and (PRO players) are pre-made and generally a lot better at playing than 5 players who are random are.

For example players yelling at a person to build MR, but a person doesn't fully understand how magic resist works, or understand that the enemy is doing (True Damage) or what items to build with MR for example the choice between item 3102 and item 3065 or item 3001

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

When you play it in ranked, yes, they will be much harsher in determining if you were intentionally feeding.

If neither games had been ranked, I would say the Azir game as fine (as you said you were new). But both of them were, so I agree with Riot

Ada Wong1 votes

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When you play it in ranked, yes, they will be much harsher in determining if you were intentionally feeding.

If neither games had been ranked, I would say the Azir game as fine (as you said you were new). But both of them were, so I agree with Riot

Might as well start banning everyone who is just playing badly in Solo Queue ranked, I agree with the harsher punishments, but I don't agree with Riot's system not taking into factor many things.

Like lets look at Solo Queue, or Dynamic Queue its always filled with players who don't use their brain, take for example a player who goes (Nidalee Mid) and gets counter picked by an (Annie) if the annie is good, and survives between levels 1-6, the Annie is obviously going to win, or even a Katarina vs an Akali 1v1 the Katarina Should win. (This being said there are a couple of tactics that could be used to win against a Katarina as an akali, but it takes (CS) ( Time) and either being ahead, or having the items, and summoner spells you need, for example getting some MR, and running (Exhaust) / (Ignite) its possible to win against a kat if played correctly but chances of that happening in lower elo (It only happened to me once) our team won I think if I remember correctly, and the enemy team player was actually pretty skilled for an akali so we were both at each-others neck for like 1 hour 30 minutes game time no joke.

You know what the problem is though, While I do better personally as a solo player during a lane phase, I can play duo just fine if the players have some brains, but besides that, the biggest problem is Junglers, and players on your team often take way too long to respond to anything ( Sure a player just gave first blood Top / Mid) they spend this time arguing in chat, calling the person a feeder, rather than doing something about it earlier, so yes the enemy gets fed, and (GG) for example the a game I played Ahri vs VI, I managed to zone the VI, evade the ganks, and lock her down, but you know why we lost.

We had bottom lane (Feed) all damn game long, no (CC) and a (Irelia) really fed without her in fights I was just massively damage everyone, but that didn't matter because there are two factors where I could have contributed more to the team.

1.) Taking teleport and doing something about it.

2.) Having an actual mid laner not a Jayce mid to begin with that could have roamed and done something about it.

But the problem and reason people feed sometimes players take too long to respond to things, and its not the PRO LCS, pro LCS its 5 players likely on Microphones, and actually communication (VERY CLEARLY) about (WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO) they likely even (Practice together) so much that it becomes a really skill-full game.

In Solo Queue, and Dynamic Queue without getting pre-made teams together its a totally different experience.

Ada Wong1 votes

Bah can't actually view the replay until the account is unbanned, but I don 't think it was intentional feeding would have to look at it to remember this game and what happened though, if I remember it was an off meta mid and things didn't go well not sure if it was this game or not.

Ada Wong1 votes

Honestly I don't feel the need to be toxic towards Riot Staff, or Employee, because I think they have been doing a great job at getting rid of the most chat toxicity, they actually helped me see some of my mistakes before as a player and stop doing them they taught me how to use (Mute) and not respond back to toxicity and spend 20 minutes arguing idiots.

But I think Riot sometimes takes "Intentionally Feeding a bit too far" and needs a lot more statistics to prove intentional feeding including "Manual Reviews" Instead of just banning players for a couple of games like my email shows here for Intentional feeding or rather one game, Riot should do a more in-depth check for intentional feeders.

http://imgur.com/c3fzNHi

Edit: What I don't Understand about this email.

1.) The fact it tells me I can work on lane phase, I understand I can work on lane phase (If I didn't have a griefing shyvana) trolling my lane and not following the Role Selection that ways laid out at champion selection.

2.) The email says to make use of the Mute Function ( I do this) all the time that toxicity is going to start I mute everyone.

3.) How do I work with my team when I have everyone muted I cant hear them. (If there is something I can do I try to do it.) But if players argue or don't listen I just be quiet with everyone on mute and play let the game be a win or loss (Riot said you can't win every game.

4.) Objective Control, and Lane Phase this would be possible if I wasn't playing that specific setup for (Top Lane Only) but riot should clearly be understanding that players who Intentionally grief cause problems rather than using a standard automated ban email that makes no sense. (IF RIOT) can explain how to jungle sona and get good wave clear I wouldn't have died 14 times, but I bet Riot Can't do this.

I can understand what the game in my email looks like, this is before Riot manually reviews other games on the account such as my Azir Game that I did awful in, but Riot should also besides just saying "Okay You're Banned for 2 weeks" for feeding, actually ask the player "Why they are feeding, or why their game went bad." Take for example in DOTA 2, which I have been playing since being banned the community has toxicity, but its not as toxic or negative experience as it was not to mention the reporting system has been tweaked quite a bit and they actually give you a report card before punishing you letting you know how good or bad you are doing now something (Riot should consider doing) before taking action in most cases build this system into the client.

Riot Reviews the stats on paper which a player died 14 times, but they fail to understand why that player died 14 times, well its simple if I didn't have a toxic troll in my solo lane I wouldn't have died 14 times, and even if I did I would have had actual Kills / Assists rather than a fat 0, not to mention being able to actually play and assist even if the game was lost.

If the people who actually reviewed the system actually understood more in-depth about why a player feeds, or why a player is doing bad instead of just yelling intentional feeder, then I would have no problem after all the last time I was banned for Intentional Feeding was in November of 2015 for dying like 20+ times in many games with a forced role with stubborn players this was prior to the new system and it was awful wasting my time tilting so hard, but to get a few occasional matches where a player gets counted, or does awful shouldn't qualify as Intentional Feeding.

Perhaps instead of just issuing a player a instant 2 week ban, which I worked down over the case of 4 months and many games they should actually warn the player in game something such as. ** Hey Buddy, You are doing poorly in game, Just so you know "Intentional Feeding" is a ban worthy offense, we advise you please take a break from playing ranked, and ask a player to do a few normal matches, or change their play, perhaps even put a text box where a person can watch the replay of their own game or is required to and type why they did poorly in it, which would be reviewed by a Rioter.**

Obviously if there was Intentional Feeding going on I would just create more accounts since im allowed to do such, do the tutorial and run down mid making players rage and toxic just to get them banned from the game and intentionally feed a lot more, and this isn't the case here ( I would rally love to watch that replay of the Fiora game where I died 18 times to make sure it wasn't Intentional because that is a game I don't fully remember but if I died that many times I am sure there was a reason for it.

Not all players think or play the same way in a MOBA, and that is what makes opinions about Intentional Feed, and creates negativity, and toxicity in games, because clearly if players took ranked as seriously as I do (AT CHAMPION SELECTION) even with the Selected Role System my stats could still be a lot better.

Denavai1 votes

The only thing I see wrong with the email is that it fails to direct players to these forums where true rehabilitation takes place.

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