I just started ranked after a three month break and I'm already getting intentional feeders

Yenn·Jun 9, 2018·4 votes·2,554 views

I quit three months ago because I was getting toxic players in 90% of games at Diamond V, and no longer enjoyed the anti-competitive nature of ranked.

I just started again, and first game, our jungle tries to surrender a 17-15 game at 15 minutes. Surrender vote fails, he says 'gg team wont ff' in all chat, and then starts intentionally feeding while acting like he isn't in chat.

This situation has literally not improved at all. Why isn't this behavior being dealt with more harshly?

17 Comments

EvenJun 9, 20187 votes

Riot has no system to ban soft inters so...

YennJun 9, 20183 votes

Four games, three people giving up and intentionally feeding.

This Miss Fortune tried to surrender while the enemy team was at Baron. We refused. So she went AFK. We fought them on Baron and we almost won the fight 4v5, then she says 'can we surrender yet?' and literally runs it straight down mid lane three times, then goes AFK again, pictured below.

This player also has multiple games where it went AFK in it's history, made evident by unusually low levels, so it's not like this is an isolated incident; yet it's still not banned, and has been playing since season 3.

https://i.imgur.com/3g7Dbz0.jpg

This is completely retarded. I don't even want to play anymore, if I'm going to get this in 3/4 games.

YennJun 9, 20183 votes

And yet again. 5/6 games today.

Our support got mad that we wouldn't surrender after our ADC went 0-4, and started intentionally feeding. Top told it to keep playing or we'd all report it, and it responded 'go ahead, nothing will happen.'

This is fucking sad. These players know they can get away with this behavior.

Report me ajajaJun 9, 20183 votes

as other people pointed out the report system only detects and punish flamers and hard inters. if ones is trolling or inting without making it too obvious, he can get away easy. i trolled dozens of games with anivia and still no bans, because the report system is broken

AeroWaffleJun 9, 20182 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/MKBQUoKd-banned-for-intentionally-feeding

This guy was banned for trolling with anivia

BijeesnyJun 9, 20182 votes

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https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/MKBQUoKd-banned-for-intentionally-feeding

This guy was banned for trolling with anivia

Wow, one player got unlucky to get manually reviewed and it's a proof the system is working?? Laughs in Elave, 500+ games with TK doing it, still not banned

AeroWaffleJun 9, 20183 votes

"Your example used to counter the argument that no one is banned for trolling is invalid! Why? Because of this anecdotal evidence!"

BijeesnyJun 9, 20181 votes

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"Your example used to counter the argument that no one is banned for trolling is invalid! Why? Because of this anecdotal evidence!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ5LXCMwZP0&t=1s

Anecdotal evidence OmegaLUL i just fcked up games played with TK, its not 500 its 300+ Edit: 248 games with TK fml ;-;

AeroWaffleJun 9, 20181 votes

You do realize that someone in the comment section of that video pointed out that the account got banned?

BijeesnyJun 10, 20181 votes

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You do realize that someone in the comment section of that video pointed out that the account got banned?

Idk, I just took a short look on a comment section, didn't see any comment like that, might've missed it tho Even if he got banned it took..... 248 trolled games for him to get banned? I mean...I would understand if he did it on some mobile game made by 2 drunken students from Bratislava. But this is Riot, and it's just embaressing that some1 was able to ruin so many games before the action was taken. There is literally 0 excuse that no1 noticed some dude having 0% wr on a champion in 200+ games. If every teammate that played with him reported him he would gather 1240 reports, how he fuck no1 noticed this motherfucker got 1.2k reports and didn't think he might do something that pissed off so many people and that he should be reviewed?

Another example...SionOrnnMid. The guy managed to gather over 500+ reports in over a month before he got caught, guess what? He got 14-day banned. Only 14-day. What. The. Fuck. Not that I care since he's not on my server but still... How can some1 evade the ban for that long while his teammates obviously knew wtf he was doing. One would think that a company with so much money could invest it in a system specifically designed for detecting the trolls. I bet that they are smoking some rich-ass cigarettes from Cuba and lighting them up with a burned 100$ bills on a daily basis ffs xD /rant over

YennJun 9, 20181 votes

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https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/MKBQUoKd-banned-for-intentionally-feeding

This guy was banned for trolling with anivia

This is easily detectable trolling, the player in question is doing it from start to end.

The problem is when they start doing it half way through the game. These players aren't punished, because regardless of the fact they ran it down mid lane three times at 20 minutes, they were playing normally up until that point.

AeroWaffleJun 9, 20182 votes

I mean, you're answering your own question as far as "Why isn't this behavior being dealt with more harshly?".

It is dealt with harshly. First offense for trolling is a 14-day ban, second is a permanent ban. But, as you pointed out, there are people who troll who try to make that behavior hard to spot.

Is Riot going to catch all these people? Of course not. The anivia example I gave is an example where the person was trying to avoid the system by making sure that he didn't die a lot but was banned anyway. Likely a manual review. But no matter what sort of realistic effort Riot makes they are not going to catch 100% of trolls. No system by any game company is going to catch 100% of the people who troll, not even close to 100%. It is compounded by several reasons;

They don't have the man-power to manually review every single report. There are millions of games played each day alone.

They are under extreme pressure to not ban anyone by mistake. Banning an innocent is far worse than letting someone who's guilty skip by one time. If a guilty is missed for one instance of poor behavior they have another shot at catching them at the next instance of poor behavior, but if an innocent is mistakenly banned they likely lost the customer. So all it takes is reasonable doubt of someone to not be punished.

A automatic review is never going to be very accurate at detecting trolls. League is a complicated game and there are plenty of subtle ways that someone can troll that, across millions of games, will look indistinguishable from someone who's just playing poorly to a robot.

So what do you suggest Riot do at this point?

KorijenkinsJun 9, 20182 votes

I've seen more of it than I would like. Not strictly feeders, but a lot of ragequitters, which is just as bad honestly.

A recent game comes to mind. We had a bizarre comp including Trynd mid and Ziggs bot, something you would expect to see in a previous season. Our Xin JG decided to invade, got caught, and got out. He spam pinged the Trynd for help in a bad fight, went in alone, and died. Instantly dced.

Thankfully he came back about 5 mins later and we won the game.

The worse of these was in a game where I won lane, bot won lane, and our Renekton top afked. He came back about 10 minutes later, but we lost 4v5 for the whole time, and gave up drag and herald. His first item when returning? Warmog's. Despite not having the health, he rushed it. He then ignored us telling him to build health so it would work, continued to feed, and then we lost.

GeauxxJun 9, 20182 votes

Not sure what made you think the community, much less the toxic community that is D5, became less toxic after only three months

YennJun 9, 20182 votes

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Not sure what made you think the community, much less the toxic community that is D5, became less toxic after only three months

If the report system is working (spoiler: it's not), these players should eventually all be banned, especially the ones at Diamond, because it's not like there's an influx of new players constantly attaining it.

If anything, it's getting worse over time.

GeauxxJun 9, 20181 votes

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If the report system is working (spoiler: it's not), these players should eventually all be banned, especially the ones at Diamond, because it's not like there's an influx of new players constantly attaining it.

If anything, it's getting worse over time.

But it's been common knowledge for a couple years now that the report system is suspect and the community only gets worse, so i repeat... not sure why you thought after only 3 months, let alone at all, that the community would be less toxic...

YennJun 9, 20181 votes

And again.

4/5 games have had players give up and intentionally feed, because we wouldn't surrender.