Back then we used to praise people for never giving up and always trying their best to save a game. Now we call them trolls because "they are wasting my time" and some people even go as far as saying that it is reportable to vote no.
MUSHROOM MIDGET2 votesit actually is reportable in some cases
ModPeriscope2 votesI think only in conjunction with other toxic behaviors. With int feeding, for sure. But refusing to surrender isn't punishable by itself, I would hope.
MUSHROOM MIDGET1 voteswell ive had people admit they are voting no to make their team suffer and say they are going to drag it out as long as possible. if trying to make your team suffer for as long as possible is not reportable then i dont know what is.
TrulyBland1 votestrying to make your team suffer
is bannable regardless of what you're doing it with. Sure, some methods might be more effective or prevalent than others, but saying that refusing to surrender is reportable in some cases is like saying dying to the enemy is reportable in some cases (namely: intentionally feeding). It's technically true, but also somewhat misleading.
ModPeriscope1 votesSo they'd have to verbalize the making their team suffer. "Only in conjunction with other toxic behaviors."
MUSHROOM MIDGET1 votesby that logic intentionally feeding would only be punishable if the player said they were doing it intentionally.
sometimes they dont have to say it. you can just tell.
ModPeriscope1 votesWhen you said "it" in your original post, I believe you were referring to refusing to surrender. I still believe that refusing to surrender is not punishable unless there is other malice present from that player. I had mentioned intentional feeding as one case where the refusing to surrender would be reportable.
Intentional feeding should show some intent, through either chat, purchased items, or through repetitive behavior across multiple games, imo.
TrulyBland1 votesThe difference is that you can actually look at how somebody is dying to determine whether he is intentionally feeding. You can't look at how somebody votes, other than a yes or a no. So no, without them admitting it some form you really can't tell why somebody voted the way they did.
leaugesbane1 votesThe difference is that you can actually look at how somebody is dying to determine whether he is intentionally feeding. You can't look at how somebody votes, other than a yes or a no. So no, without them admitting it some form you really can't tell why somebody voted the way they did.
how hes dying has nothing to do with intent. ive had assholes blame my only option for the role I got expecting me to dodge then passive aggressively troll me. I fed. I had no other option. I never have ever fed on purpose. by your logic I would be banned.
TrulyBland1 votesI'll admit "how somebody is dying" was a poor choice of words. My point is that the situation in which somebody dies is not an instant but a longer timeframe in which various decisions are made. If somebody, for example, makes the decision to run in circles around a turret while he is dying, that's a pretty clear giveaway. Just to be clear: I never said anything about the specific details of a death that would make it appear as intentional feeding, so I don't quite get how you get to the assumption that by my logic you'd be banned.
Anyway, a better way to explain the difference is that with feeding, all you need to show is that it is intentional. Voting on surrendering, on the other hand, is inherently intentional. For refusing to surrender to be bannable you need to determine the reason they vote no. And determining that reason (without somebody stating it in chat) is going to be pretty much impossible; even for a human.
archerno11 votes[{quoted}](name=MUSHROOM MIDGET,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jLXauTHE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-06-27T13:31:37.571+0000)
it actually is reportable in some cases
Its not. Its only reportable if u pressure teammates to surrender. Refusing to surrender is completely allowed even if game is 165:0
ScantyXKneesocks2 votesThe superiority complex some players have. If they know they will lose surrendering makes it hurt less for them. Seeing the defeat banner hurts that complex of theirs. I always decline the surrender if they're in the base anyway. Not much point to surrender so late in
Darth West4 votesNah, sometimes my team thinks we will lose a ranked game and try to spam surrender.
They rage me, call me awful names, and say I should uninstall.
5 Minutes Later
We win 2 team fights, get a baron once they are dead and push. By the time they enemy has respawned we took the Elder Dragon as well.
We win the game and my team says "gg ez" in all chat although I tried my best to not surrender.
Yeah there are some cases you should surrender, but you bet your ass I'm not surrendering in ranked when my LP is on the line.
Ellis Dee1 votesgot a replay of that?
Darth West1 votesYou seem to have trouble believing people, Utopian.
I'm being honest, but you can believe what you want and you can stalk my games if you want.
TrulyBland1 votesOne of my dearest memories is when a friend and me turned around a game where somebody was constantly flaming us for not surrendering and spamming surrender vote whenever he could. The really awesome part however, was that the player actually apologized and thanked us for not surrendering in post-game.
Darth West1 votesYeah most of the times I refuse to surrender and we win, the people who said yes to the vote proceed to say "gg ez." And leave instantly after the game is over.
DrCyanide2 votesbut you bet your ass I'm not surrendering in ranked when my LP is on the line.
That describes my thoughts exactly. People make too many mistakes where I'm at to ever consider a game done before a Nexus explodes.
leaugesbane1 votesNah, sometimes my team thinks we will lose a ranked game and try to spam surrender.
They rage me, call me awful names, and say I should uninstall.
5 Minutes Later
We win 2 team fights, get a baron once they are dead and push. By the time they enemy has respawned we took the Elder Dragon as well.
We win the game and my team says "gg ez" in all chat although I tried my best to not surrender.
Yeah there are some cases you should surrender, but you bet your ass I'm not surrendering in ranked when my LP is on the line.
for ever one time they never surrender and won there where 5 plus time it didn't work. its not worth it anymore you need to keep up with the community.
Darth West1 votesIt's worked for me quite a bit, I think I'll take my chances.
I've been with this community 7 years. -Shrugs-
leaugesbane1 votesIt's worked for me quite a bit, I think I'll take my chances.
I've been with this community 7 years. -Shrugs-
Gl cheers. If it works it works don't let anyone else try to tell you otherwise.
Winters Dawn1 votesThe superiority complex some players have. If they know they will lose surrendering makes it hurt less for them. Seeing the defeat banner hurts that complex of theirs. I always decline the surrender if they're in the base anyway. Not much point to surrender so late in
Not much point in not surrendering either. The game is over like for real why not let it be over slightly faster. This isn't some enlightened logic, just you salty about losing so you want to make your teamates sit there and waste as much time as possible.
If the game is over just vote yes. Absolutely no need to wait any longer
ScantyXKneesocks1 votes[{quoted}](name=Winters Dawn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jLXauTHE,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2017-06-27T15:47:44.763+0000)
Not much point in not surrendering either. The game is over like for real why not let it be over slightly faster. This isn't some enlightened logic, just you salty about losing so you want to make your teamates sit there and waste as much time as possible.
If the game is over just vote yes. Absolutely no need to wait any longer
Not really about salt either, players can wait the extra few seconds it takes for the crystal to be destroyed.
Winters Dawn2 votesNot really about salt either, players can wait the extra few seconds it takes for the crystal to be destroyed.
I'm pretty sure its a pride thing. People don't want to feel like they "gave up" because it would damage their eggo because other than 'just because' no one is giving an actual logical reason the just nit surrender if you got 2-3 inhibs down and they are heading for your core. Surrender 20-40 secomds before the nexus is destroyed sure its not much and I really don't care about that amount of time my only question is why? A loss is a loss. A surrender is a loss and you gain absolutely nothing for refusing to surrender in that situation. Which leads me to believe this is just am ego save face move.
I was big in statecraft 2 a couple years ago. They have a surrender option in that to. When you make it to late game and have a game deciding fight and you lose your army and The other player turned to your base the game is over. There is nothing you can do BUT unless you surrender the other player has to destroy every single building you have. So you lost your army and his deathball is rolling to your base so you surrender.
But instead by this logic surrender is pointless so you proceed to waste yoirs and his time by making him destroy every last building making the match go 30-60 seconds longer. Not much sure but just as pointless. Given the fact as well that the only time people dont surrender in that situation on starcraft is if they are salty about losing and want to troll the other player as much as possible. And im not saying surrender at 20 min because they got a lucky triple because the "game is over" but when you game is 40 minutes in amd they just got an inhib amd a quad kill with spawn timers at like 40-60 seconds just end the damn game.
Its just pointless man, when the game is over just let it be over.
ScantyXKneesocks1 votes[{quoted}](name=Winters Dawn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=jLXauTHE,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2017-06-27T17:45:12.446+0000)
I'm pretty sure its a pride thing. People don't want to feel like they "gave up" because it would damage their eggo because other than 'just because' no one is giving an actual logical reason the just nit surrender if you got 2-3 inhibs down and they are heading for your core. Surrender 20-40 secomds before the nexus is destroyed sure its not much and I really don't care about that amount of time my only question is why? A loss is a loss. A surrender is a loss and you gain absolutely nothing for refusing to surrender in that situation. Which leads me to believe this is just am ego save face move.
I was big in statecraft 2 a couple years ago. They have a surrender option in that to. When you make it to late game and have a game deciding fight and you lose your army and The other player turned to your base the game is over. There is nothing you can do BUT unless you surrender the other player has to destroy every single building you have. So you lost your army and his deathball is rolling to your base so you surrender.
But instead by this logic surrender is pointless so you proceed to waste yoirs and his time by making him destroy every last building making the match go 30-60 seconds longer. Not much sure but just as pointless. Given the fact as well that the only time people dont surrender in that situation on starcraft is if they are salty about losing and want to troll the other player as much as possible. And im not saying surrender at 20 min because they got a lucky triple because the "game is over" but when you game is 40 minutes in amd they just got an inhib amd a quad kill with spawn timers at like 40-60 seconds just end the damn game.
Its just pointless man, when the game is over just let it be over.
Okay well when you put it that way. You do have a point.
Elezzro1 votesIf players don't have the patience to wait for 30 seconds, they deserve to wait it out...
Winters Dawn2 votesIf players don't have the patience to wait for 30 seconds, they deserve to wait it out...
That logic is completely asinine.
RookPusher2 votesI fucking hate this line of reasoning because it strawman's the hell out of everything. I want more players to not quit. But if you don't have the mechanics/priorities to win, then it's not worth playing. Period.
If the enemy Jungler has a 4 to 1 gank rate on a lane, then the game is probably over. If no one calls MIAs, wards, or someone keeps split pushing and getting killed, then it's not worth it. I don't mind if you screw up, but if people are telling you what you're doing wrong, and you continue to do it, then you're not worth playing with.
Sucking isn't a reason to quit. People who refuse to educate themselves due to sheer laziness aren't worth playing with. People who never quit - never - are trolls.
leaugesbane1 votesI fucking hate this line of reasoning because it strawman's the hell out of everything. I want more players to not quit. But if you don't have the mechanics/priorities to win, then it's not worth playing. Period.
If the enemy Jungler has a 4 to 1 gank rate on a lane, then the game is probably over. If no one calls MIAs, wards, or someone keeps split pushing and getting killed, then it's not worth it. I don't mind if you screw up, but if people are telling you what you're doing wrong, and you continue to do it, then you're not worth playing with.
Sucking isn't a reason to quit. People who refuse to educate themselves due to sheer laziness aren't worth playing with. People who never quit - never - are trolls.
uses common sense gets downvote. how typical of the league of autistic children community.
now wait for this post to get deleted because people got butt hurt at a known nick name for this community.
RookPusher1 votesWhat?
ScantyXKneesocks1 votesI could care less for ranked tbh. Do it for the rewards and be done with it. Otherwise I just stick to normal games or Aram
Has No Team1 votesIf the game is HOPELESSLY one sided surr... if not fight. Voting no when it's 10-30 and you have no towers is actually just stupid. Voting to surr when it's 22-30 is kind of dumb because you can turn that
TrulyBland1 votesUnless you mean the time when the game was still in beta (wasn't around then) such a time really hasn't existed. It's become a more common sentiment these days, admittedly, but that is in part because the game has become more snowbally since then. If you still had the time to play it out, back in the first few seasons it really made little sense to surrender in the first place.
Nik Nikerson1 votesWhen exactly was that?
Glory971 votesI remember these times where the game wasn't a snowball festival. There was a time tower were not made out of paper, and a stupid rift herald that does a million true damage to towers.
AMYS GRAVE1 votesI too miss the days when snowballing wasn't completely out of control and comebacks were possible.
SecondAirbane1 votesmy last ranked game we were down 4-17 in score towers and we started turning the game around at 15 i said "i can carry if i get fed if not its over" i got fed the score became even we won almost every fight and we won 6 win streak leggo
scazzman1 votesits because a common form of trolling is to deliberately stall out a losing game for the sole purpose of preventing people from leaving or risk being reported for afk. im not saying you do this. but people actually do troll by refusing to surrender games that they KNOW are unwinnable
Dasdi961 votesits because a common form of trolling is to deliberately stall out a losing game for the sole purpose of preventing people from leaving or risk being reported for afk. im not saying you do this. but people actually do troll by refusing to surrender games that they KNOW are unwinnable
The thing is if you stall and the enemy refuses to push, they can throw the game.
scazzman2 votesThe thing is if you stall and the enemy refuses to push, they can throw the game.
theres a difference though between not surrendering because you're trying to make a comeback, and not surrendering because someone fed, and you're trying to rub thier nose in it like a dog who pooped on the carpet.