Banned Twice for Intentional Feeding... This time its obvious, Trolls Win...

Ada Wong··3 votes·8,211 views

I played my first game of the day and got matched with Toxic players, I believe the same players twice after leaving previous Queues.

Short as I can make it I had a player who was talking in chat they were going Morgana Support, a Mid that really needed CC being played, and a Jungle that made no sense at all that was chosen for this awful comp...

So I go Sona Riot doesn't enforce a meta so whatever, anyways I do this and I take smite top for the simple purpose of being able to pressure the enemy jungle earlier and steal their buffs after I have done pushing the enemy back making them recall etc, which is a off meta tactic but done by some players.

Anyways another player on my team decides to "Troll" and take another champion top lane, and they just die constantly in a 1v1 fight every single time, meanwhile I am really fucked because the entire game has been thrown for me despite trying to get ahead early game which was the only chance it simply wont work as the masteries, and loadout + champion is specific setup for a lane phase.

This is a copy of the email I received which tells me its for a single game that " I Feed in".

> 14 Day Behavior Suspension > > Ada Wong, > > You have received a 14-day suspension for intentional feeding following an extensive audit of your in-game behavior. > > When our players log into League, we want them to be able to have fun in their games. By being an intentional feeder, you have intentionally set out to ruin other players’ games. It is important to remember that retaliation is not OK in this community, and the behavior of another player does not justify your actions. > > For context, we have provided you with a link to the offending game below: > > http://matchhistory.NA.leagueoflegends.com/#match-details/NA1/2160904213/37682357 > > It’s important to remember that you’re not going to win every game you play. You can still work on your lane phase, objective control or teamwork in a lost game, and if a player is behaving poorly, use the mute feature and report them at the end of the game. Lastly, if you don’t agree with the standards for behavior set for the community, consider jumping into a game with friends, or not playing at all. > > Consider this the only warning this account will receive. Failure to improve can result in permanent closure of your account. >

The game says I can mute toxic players which is clearly what I did at the start of the game /Mute All, I don't want to hear toxicity, and I turn off my sound and play the game, however playing a support champion as a AP, such as Sona, or LuLu is required to be played a specific way that I am playing it, not with a player griefing / trolling lane phase at the very start and throwing intentionally.

What this proves?

Is that Riot needs to step up their game on dealing with trolls who take a role, and then fail to do it, and intentionally troll the game after taking a role, and throwing the game hard.

Like honestly if I had of not been playing an off meta support in a solo lane then perhaps it would have been easier not to feed as hard, but when a user is playing a champion a specific way in a game, and for a specific reason only to be trolled this creates a huge problem.

36 Comments

AeroWaffle15 votes

I took a look at your match history.

0/14/1 Sona Level 4 (everyone else on your team was at least level 10) 4 minion kills.

You were intentionally feeding, you deserve your ban.

Ada Wong1 votes

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I took a look at your match history.

0/14/1 Sona Level 4 (everyone else on your team was at least level 10) 4 minion kills.

You were intentionally feeding, you deserve your ban.

Doesn't matter IMO, On Pen & Paper, Obviously it looks bad.

On the other hand when you look at the facts which are.

1.) I don't ever play Duo Lane, unless I know the player because I will feed there just as hard (I proved this last year by feeding and having a match history full of loss which looks a lot worse. IMO Solo Queue is full of (Retards) I am not toxic about this but rather sharing my view here, but I simply can't play with most players during a lane phase, that is why I play (Top / Mid Roles) and Role Selection allows me to do this.

2.) I played specifically setup for top Lane, now unplayable to me because a user decided to go up top and go 1/8 feeding during a lane phase, and forcing me to have to try to Jungle Sona because after all I did have smite top lane for a reason, but tried to put it to use and ended up feeding being unable to kill shit because of it (Half my deaths) at least are to the jungle creeps alone I think.

3.) With my entire team on /mute all (To avoid hearing toxic comments) and typing myself I am unable to speak in chat so I only type two sentences the entire game with everyone muted.

4.) The fact still is that a user intentionally trolled my lane, rendering me useless because of #1, and #2, and my only option was to be able to play a (Solo Role) and since I was clearly being trolled I tried to do this, didn't get ahead early so ( I Feed), and having (No Jungle Clear) ( No Counter Jungle) ( and a Toxic Player / Team on Mute) Good Luck with the win add it all up, perhaps if I was playing (Riven Top) or something else with (Knock-UP /CC) as an actual fighter then I could have done better with better jungle clear.

And again players are telling me its okay for players to Intentionally Troll / Role Steal in games which is why I think there needs to be a new report option for Role Stealing as a report option with manual audit to Riot to review instead of an automated system this way no false bans are issued for users abusing the report function.

AeroWaffle5 votes

Here's the thing, your unwillingness to work with the team and accommodate your lane play style to this degree, is just as bad as intentionally feeding.

It would be understandable if laning with someone is somehow a completely different game, but it isn't. It's a 2v2. League of legends games are filled with constant skirmishes of 1v1 to 5v5 and everything in between. The difference between how you play in a 1v1 lane and how you play in a 2v2 is fundamentally the same.

Try not to die Pressure the enemy get gold

You claim some knowledge of team comp, "a Mid that really needed CC being played". Yet refuse to address the elephant in the room. You chose to use Sona as an invading jungler (a very off meta and impractical pick in the jungle), and as it was proven that you couldn't solo the minions on your own (you were far too low level), you continued to try and solo the minions on their side of the jungle, leaving you completely open to the enemy jungler.

Ada Wong1 votes

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Here's the thing, your unwillingness to work with the team and accommodate your lane play style to this degree, is just as bad as intentionally feeding.

It would be understandable if laning with someone is somehow a completely different game, but it isn't. It's a 2v2. League of legends games are filled with constant skirmishes of 1v1 to 5v5 and everything in between. The difference between how you play in a 1v1 lane and how you play in a 2v2 is fundamentally the same.

Try not to die Pressure the enemy get gold

You claim some knowledge of team comp, "a Mid that really needed CC being played". Yet refuse to address the elephant in the room. You chose to use Sona as an invading jungler (a very off meta and impractical pick in the jungle), and as it was proven that you couldn't solo the minions on your own (you were far too low level), you continued to try and solo the minions on their side of the jungle, leaving you completely open to the enemy jungler.

Which I understand where you come from in a PRO LCS Match for example, or pre-made team it is possible to do, but when doing with random players who have no idea what they are doing, are slow at doing anything at all, and don't execute something as fast or like they should ( Then I am feeding.) Which is why I avoid the bot Role all together unless (Duo with friends.) and then I have very few people I actually Queue with in DUO role because anyone who argues with me is immediately removed.

Try not to die you say? Why don't you try jungling Sona at level 1 when your solo role is stolen / trolled, and you don't play bot lanes because you feed like I do.

The difference between 1v1 and 2v2 in my view?

1v1 its much easier to not die usually unless hard countered, and even then most of the time I don't do nearly as bad as I would .

In a 2v2, you have to deal with a random player ( Who is half the time) (Slow) (Doesn't use quick cast) ( Doesn't run a proper champion this can be argued.) ( Doesn't have right specific builds) (Argues when I would go an (Off meta support) (Then rages when I feed) Because of their lack of understanding of what needs to be done (IMMEDIATELY) and when for example (When to use a Ashe ultimate, and why it should be used on the support instead the ADC, then they rage for me feeding and why I am dying ( well no shit you're the damn reason.) There is a reason I play solo role during a lane phase and never do Duo unless with someone I know isn't like this.

And yes I knew what was likely going to happen taking Sona I took her for (TOP SPECIFICALLY) Because in champion selection I saw we had a (Morgana Support) (Kat Mid) I think it was and having (CC) would have been great, but having players change champions, and then being trolled which was the game killer, and having to take this jungle Good Luck, you should try it yourself in a custom game and see how well it works for you or in PBE?

Also I understand that in LCS, and actual Teams, how the game is played a lot differently than in Bronze Elo with players who have no idea what the hell they are doing at all 99% of the time, but LCS, and other game play are two different things, and the players doing (LCS), well guess what?

They actually think before taking a champion.

They think about what it brings to solo lane. What it brings to group fights. How skills can be combo.

What will happen if (X) Happens.

They don't just choose things blindly and play the game blind, not to mention they actually have players who know what they are doing compared to Solo Queue, so yeah I understand the difference between Solo Queue, and LCS, or PRO players.

Also Good Luck working with a team when you are like me and (/Mute All) so you don't rage in chat, or have to hear toxic comments that make you rage, really hard to work with a team like this.

Deep Terror Nami11 votes

I looked at your match. You suicide to jungle camps for the first 20 minutes, only killing 3 and later 1 lane minion. It's not possible to do this unintentionally. https://i.gyazo.com/3cdfef9c0799c69c8ab1381cf53614fe.png You know we can see your deaths on the map in the Match History, right? On op.gg we can also see when your gold/xp increased so we can tell how long it took you to kill a minion. You were not top, Shyvana was, you were not jungle, Trundle was, you were Support and went off to ruin Trundle.

Ada Wong1 votes

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I looked at your match. You suicide to jungle camps for the first 20 minutes, only killing 3 and later 1 lane minion. It's not possible to do this unintentionally. https://i.gyazo.com/3cdfef9c0799c69c8ab1381cf53614fe.png You know we can see your deaths on the map in the Match History, right? On op.gg we can also see when your gold/xp increased so we can tell how long it took you to kill a minion. You were not top, Shyvana was, you were not jungle, Trundle was, you were Support and went off to ruin Trundle.

Then you explain what I am supposed to do please.

1.) Playing a Duo Lane, or Lane phase anything but top is not an option with the way I play on League (in this specific match.)

2.) The player took my role, and Griefed / Trolled me yet I got banned For (Feeding) and getting way behind being the most useless person because of (X) players actions trolling.

Like I understand where everyone is coming from and I respect, and understand everyone plays differently, I also Understand player support can see my deaths, I too looked at my own match history, What I hope Riot Games can see is what role I was clearly playing, and that this other player went in my top lane and died 8 frigging times on top of setting me way behind, and I had already said at Champion Selection screen myself that if they proceeded to troll the game was going to go bad.

3.) If not going top my only option was to farm enemy jungle trying not to take our own camps getting him behind himself, if I wasn't playing a champion (SPECIFIC) For top lane (THAT MEANS I WILL NOT GO MID OR BOT.) But another actual top and had of been trolled, then perhaps I would have had better jungle clear, but honestly ( I fail to understand or see how I can be banned for 2 weeks) after getting trolled by a player in a game then spam reported by uninformed Idiots likely the enemy team as well for making me have to sit there and play through 20 minutes wasted of my life because of a toxic player who decides to get his jollys off trolling.

If you think Jungle Sona from level 1 is easy, why don't you go in PBE, or a custom game and try it yourself with my build and see how much clear you actually get.

The only real question that needs to be addressed is this.....

Is another player taking another persons role without permission for the sole purpose of trolling and causing a game to be thrown allowed, if not then that is the real problem right there and we need options to deal with said players not only from the game I was in but in other games where other players are effected by players doing this same stuff.

Like I understand in the past it was a debate issue with players getting the roles they wanted, or created issues with toxicity, but Riot is like jesus they gave us a new system to prevent toxicity, and help everyone, yet some people feel the need just to go in games and flat out troll everyone like in my case which I find rare compared to what it was but it happens, and that really screws me over as a player, (Damn Right I will feed) especially when doing a role specific build that has no option to do anything else with the way I am playing / setup.

MAYBE going afk was a better Option, I don't know you tell me that would be option #2 not even trying to get ahead early when I actually tried to do something despite being trolled.

Deep Terror Nami14 votes

Then you explain what I am supposed to do please.

You literally do anything but what you did. Intentionally feeding could not possibly be the answer. Go bot lane and support?

DemothHymside4 votes

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I looked at your match. You suicide to jungle camps for the first 20 minutes, only killing 3 and later 1 lane minion. It's not possible to do this unintentionally. https://i.gyazo.com/3cdfef9c0799c69c8ab1381cf53614fe.png You know we can see your deaths on the map in the Match History, right? On op.gg we can also see when your gold/xp increased so we can tell how long it took you to kill a minion. You were not top, Shyvana was, you were not jungle, Trundle was, you were Support and went off to ruin Trundle.

And this, folks, is why no one ever believes anyone who complains about punishment on these boards. It's a non-stop parade of easily verifiable claims that are routinely debunked.

AraMoOse12 votes

Yes, no, sadly for you, we are also not idiots and are not fooled by your excuses. Please stop using other people's behavior as an excuse for yours.

Ada Wong1 votes

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Yes, no, sadly for you, we are also not idiots and are not fooled by your excuses. Please stop using other people's behavior as an excuse for yours.

So you are telling me that the player who intentionally trolled and took the role of a player filling that role with a specific layout is acceptable behavior in League OF Legends, congrats no better than them.

There is no excuse if the player had not been intentionally trolling the game then my score would not be 0/14/1, but clearly check out the match history yourself if you are in doubt.

Also Riot should be able to clearly verify the role pick information.

Try taking Sona into a jax Half HP 1v1 level 1 vs level 2 and tell me who gets first kill even with Q charged then perhaps you understand why Sona as a champion clearly should have been in lane not forced to try to jungle it and end up feeding in the process.

Like I understand an automated system clearly getting a game like this wrong for feeding, but this is where Riot needs to actually look at the issue of the player creating the toxicity and understand how the other user is playing the game to begin with.

if you want to argue about there is no excuse, Look at the match history yourself and the player who took the top lane and decided to just Feed, brought absolutely nothing to the table as a champion or as a player after griefing/trolling.

Sniper 06 votes

So you intentionally made a bad pick knowing good and well that it would tilt your team... you were the only real off meta pick (who makes for a terrible top laner). JUST because you didn't like the teamcomp. Which was honestly a really good teamcomp.

Ada Wong1 votes

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So you intentionally made a bad pick knowing good and well that it would tilt your team... you were the only real off meta pick (who makes for a terrible top laner). JUST because you didn't like the teamcomp. Which was honestly a really good teamcomp.

Not really a bad pick if the team had have kept their original layout instead of changing champions at the last minute that they informed us they were going.

But isn't really the point despite the opinions of a Champion being a bad pick, You could argue with me all day / night over this, Riot said they don't ban for this behavior of taking a champion another doesn't agree with, players do this in my games all the time, and usually lose the games because of this anyways.

The point is that a person took another players role without asking, disrespected the entire system put in place by Riot to prevent these type of issues which for the most part has been really helpful, went top went 1/8 Feed the enemy team, made the game unplayable for me as I am playing a specific type of play and then got players to spam report me for feeding because of being unable to really play the game with being trolled.

There is no excuse for intentionally games / Role Stealing, and I think this problem needs to be addressed by Riot in games, if I can get banned after one game of going like 0/14/1 because of being trolled and unable to play, Plus its illegal for me to just leave the game because of Leave Buster, then what is the choice " Try to play the game end up feeding" and get banned, or get banned by leave buster.

The point is simple if the player had not have done this toxic behavior I would have likely not died 14 times in 20 minutes, not to mention I believe is in violation of Riots Rules.

There should clearly be a (PSA) to why we have a (ROLE SYSTEM) if Riot is going to allow players to do this.

5oulDARK2 votes

toxic behaviour doesnt make you die. Him saying Fk you doesnt summon a ghost that takes your mouse in his hand, and then clicks you to move into enemy turrets. What makes you die is you playing badly, you suiciding, or you loosing fights. In this case, it was you suiciding, toxic player has NOTHING to do with it.

iDrink Moar Beer4 votes

Dude you waste so much time and effort arguing for the sake of arguing and then you wonder why nobody likes you....

Ada Wong1 votes

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Dude you waste so much time and effort arguing for the sake of arguing and then you wonder why nobody likes you....

I don't really care, I am not here to be liked (Only to play a game.) But here to make a point, and address an issue that needs to be dealt with, and addressed in future games, where players do this type of behavior and another players does awful because of it getting banned as a result or suspended +2 weeks in my case...

If someone actually provides a valid response to an arguement, then I would agree with it but I Fail to see the logic of getting a 2 week suspension for doing awful in a game where clearly being trolled, with nothing being done about the offending player that caused the awful experience for me, and 3 other players on the team.

Also clearly if I was Intentionally feeding my games since my last suspension in November for doing a lot worse before the new role system I would have obviously been Intentionally feeding a lot more games than just the game today with the troll.

Now you can understand why ( I mute players who start arguments) or teams that I know are going to argue, its just like politics, and religion its a matter of what a person believes in, and arguing it just creates a endless debate.

1.) Clearly if you look at this other player who intentionally trolled and their stats you can also see their death locations which proves that I am right about the person taking my role and throwing the game. (Which hopefully Riot has the tools to see this.)

2.) Clearly it can be seen that I mostly died in the enemy jungle trying not to take my allies jungle, and actually do something on the map but with a support champion early game, Good Luck doing that perhaps other players should do a custom game and try this with my build and see how well it works for them.

iDrink Moar Beer3 votes

I mean you take shit to a level that doesn't need to be taken too. I don't even feel like reading past your first 2 sentences because I can already predict what kind of attitude you're going to preach towards me. I don't care dude, I never even said anything remotely sufficient in the first place, and I'm getting like a 2 page article in response....think about that for a second or two.

5oulDARK3 votes

This has to be one of the most deserved bans in league of legends history. A SMITE!!! sona top, who buys full support items, dies to jungle minion camp for 20 minutes (which obviously is intentional suicuding), has 4minions (you can farm more than that by simply pressing Q once on lane as sona), and is lvl 4 which means she spend most of her game dead, walking in jungle suiciding, afk in base, and Tyler1ing it down mid. Of course someone takes top, they werent trolling you,you were trolling them. You took a smite sona top with support build, they had to try to rescue the top lane, which you made impossible

iDrink Moar Beer2 votes

Lol, yea you seem toxic.

Ada Wong1 votes

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Lol, yea you seem toxic.

Yeah of course there is a reason I don't argue with (Idiots) in my opinion in a game ( I follow What Riot Told Me) (/ Mute All) and play the game because I don't want to be toxic arguing with players for 20 minutes of the damn game over an issue that I will never agree to.

Toxic players (Make me Toxic) But that is why / Mute All, has really been helpful you can't argue with idiots, even if you are not directing toxic comments to them such as the word idiot, ore other things its easier to just mute and play.

But / Mute All, or Muting a player doesn't resolve issues like this where a player is flat out trolling, there needs to be an option for (Role Stealing) when a player intentionally steals role, now I did report the person for trolling and just flat out ruining my game because it falls under unsportsmanlike conduct, but it doesn't matter because I get one reported game for intentional feeding and 14 day suspension? By an automated system this time rather than Riot actually understanding or taking a look at the fact that a player in the game decided to not follow the Role System which Riot put in place to prevent this which has been very helpful to preventing most stuff like this, or do anything about abusers doing this.

Which comes down to the point when playing the game like I am or rather a off meta pick that has to be played a specific way.

. GO AFK (Get banned by Leave Buster. . Try to play the game despite being trolled, and feed / get banned for feeding.

If I actually had a team that wasn't toxic or a pre-made group of 5 players I knew instead of Solo Queue there might have been more options open but that is where it takes understanding from 2 or more players of what I am doing for this to work, not Solo Queue.

Maximum Morde1 votes

Well, you aren't the Red Cross and League isn't Africa.

Ada Wong1 votes

In General Excluding Feeding.

The Community here is proving to me, and telling me that players are (ALLOWED) to intentionally steal roles without asking or getting confirmation, and Troll costing games, and issues in game, where a player such as myself Feeds really depends on the player (How they are playing) and (What they are playing) as well as (Skill Factors) & (Builds) which is another argument

But in General (Role Stealing) I don't think should be allowed by Riot ( and if this player had not have done this, and just Feed) the enemy anyways I wouldn't be 0/14 in the game, that is generally all that needs to be said and reviewed, and new report options put in to address this issue.

Like Riot Gave us the Tools, and stuff to help players do better, and avoid this type of toxicity, and issues, (Yet People) still are toxic, and trolling games sometimes despite the new systems put in place, and I don't think that is okay.

SmokedAlmonds6 votes

That is not what the anyone is telling you, at all. Almost no one even mentioned the other people. These situations can have more than one person in the wrong, this post is simply about you and not them.

You are very interesting to me because you seem very genuine but when you look at the stats that go along with your stories they never really feel right. I mean maybe you weren't exactly intentional feeding, but man that is some extreme negligence. Even moving past the sona top with smite thing and accept that the pick is viable but requires a team, you knew that team support didn't exist. Yet you continued to go into the enemy jungle and die over and over. IMO at some point on the way to 8 deaths in their jungle you needed to figure out that wasn't working. I don't know how you draw that line, but you are clearly over it. Maybe you weren't malicious, but you were grossly negligent.

I'm curious, do you just like tilt so hard you completely lose the will to play or do you legitimately believe that after failing at making w/e play in the enemy jungle 7 times that the 8th time it was going to work out?

Ada Wong1 votes

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That is not what the anyone is telling you, at all. Almost no one even mentioned the other people. These situations can have more than one person in the wrong, this post is simply about you and not them.

You are very interesting to me because you seem very genuine but when you look at the stats that go along with your stories they never really feel right. I mean maybe you weren't exactly intentional feeding, but man that is some extreme negligence. Even moving past the sona top with smite thing and accept that the pick is viable but requires a team, you knew that team support didn't exist. Yet you continued to go into the enemy jungle and die over and over. IMO at some point on the way to 8 deaths in their jungle you needed to figure out that wasn't working. I don't know how you draw that line, but you are clearly over it. Maybe you weren't malicious, but you were grossly negligent.

I'm curious, do you just like tilt so hard you completely lose the will to play or do you legitimately believe that after failing at making w/e play in the enemy jungle 7 times that the 8th time it was going to work out?

Which is true, and I understand this, and there is a reason that playing with a random player is not an option for me.

** And honestly I just flat out stop caring when people troll, as In I do try to play the game, but if its a loss, I am willing to just accept the loss and move on to a real game without making a big deal of it, when you have been playing League for as long as I have dealing with as much (Toxic Garbage) as I have you either start becoming Toxic Yourself raging at other players or you get the attitude like I have and just flat out don't be a try hard as in you play the game but you don't take it seriously to the point where you are going to rage.**

** Eventually you learn just by looking at champions at champion selection (Excluding Player Skill) What is going to happen, and what needs to happen for you to win** OF Course Annie vs Katarina for example you know (Annie) if played correctly should win lane phase 1v1's but then you factor in "Skill" Does the enemy player suck if yes you can easily win if they miss a stun early, or drop their ult wrong or something you can win, but if they are evenly skilled the Annie should win, and from there for example, you have to look at other plays that can be made for example (Is your jungler going to help) get you ahead, Can you go to another lane and wreck everyone because you can roam better than the annie etc.**

Over-All it becomes to the point where you learn who is likely to win or lose a game before it even starts and then you just flat out know what to expect when the game starts, and what needs to be done, but at the same time you do kinda lose your will and just don't care when you get trolls, Like I understand both sides of the story where people say don't give up and all, but that is never possible especially when being trolled this hard in a game at least for me as a player, perhaps others are different and that is fine, because players Should not have to deal with Trolls doing this to begin with. And perhaps if it had not have been for this dummy taking the champion they did and going top the game could have easily went in our favor more, because you have to look at what we have.

. Knowing the position of the enemy jungler with me having smite top was important. . Having double Smite = Faster Leash your jungler smites first . Having Extra Smite Helps you take dragons faster, and is always useful . Although it does have some disadvantages depending on the enemy comp and lane phase it can be great, but expecting bronze players to know any of this good luck.

. 99% of the time players have no idea what they are doing or are too slow, don't even understand quick cast, this isn't something that I can play around, when I play as a bot lane I often play off meta, or stuff that people don't expect, I am generally the type of player that (Expects the person bot) where it be ADC or support to (Be fast within 1 second usually less), and understand what the hell they are doing, let alone not auto locking something bot lane that I do not agree with will create problems and feed too.

In general most players I duo with are required to be on team-speak and take the game highly seriously aka know what I am doing and what the hell they are doing, let alone it is better when you have a jungler that actually knows how to jungle, and yes a good Lee-Sin with counter warding can carry a game.

In general I hold a strict stance of (How I play in Any Moba) unless with a pre-made team or player who knows what they are doing if players (Intentionally troll me) then you can damn well expect to lose, the only point and problem is I should not get banned for 2 weeks for doing this awful because of a frigging troll that seeks to intentionally create problems in a game.

Like I understand where everyone comes from, but I understand that playing a role with someone who has no idea what they are doing just leads to pointless arguments, Feeding, Toxicity, and that is why I just don't do it in Solo Queue no matter the MOBA.

Which generally leaves me two options.

1.) I Can go afk and get banned for leave buster.

2.) I can continue to try and play the game and hopefully come out on top later, or get ahead early and do something ( In cases like this damn right there is likely going to be feed.) ( and the only way to prevent me from doing this awful is to stop being toxic and let me play the specific way I had the game setup to be played from the start.)

. Yes to me getting a player behind 10 cs, or 1 level means a huge difference between a win / loss early, its not something a lot of people understand but I think higher elo understands this more about how Early game impacts a whole game or can have a positive or negative experience on a whole game early.

. This can also be proven by what happened in a previous game where I completely zoned the enemy, denied them farm early game, the enemy jungler just fail ganked me and in the end the enemy player top lane was completely useless vs me, but other lanes feed / lost, still the point is it matters. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2160255208/37682357?tab=overview

Ada Wong1 votes

There is really only one question that needs to be argued or said here.

1.) Is a player allowed to steal another persons role, and Troll, let alone take the role then die 8 frigging times. I Could argue the same thing of Intentionally feeding, but I think they were just flat out stupid personally, or on purposefully trying to get players banned for feeding themselves in my case of playing off meta top.

. In my opinion there is absolutely no excuse for this type of behavior and if the answer is no then why the hell am I suspended for two weeks and linked a game for (Feeding myself) after being flat out trolled and being unable to play the game.

Sure you can argue me all day long and get nowhere but fact of the matter is the player was Griefing and as a result as stated many times I did god awful because of it, could I have done better (Absolutely) if I had not have played a specific champion for that specific role only, even with a troll I could have possibly not fed as much, perhaps done better, or forced group fights earlier, but when someone goes and does this to me then the fate is kinda locked in for everyone.

montebetterthanu1 votes

It makes my day seeing people like this banned. I would rather see someone toxic in chat than people like this who think they can get away with feeding and pawn it off as something else.

Ada Wong1 votes

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You literally do anything but what you did. Intentionally feeding could not possibly be the answer. Go bot lane and support?

Not a valid solution, if it was I would have went there and played, but as I have said before many posts many times, ( I don't get along with random players, there is a reason why I don't support, or ADC in a bot lane unless I know the person, and I have explained myself many countless times, that most of the time it ends with players arguing, or retards in my eyes, I don't use those toxic words at others in the game, but I can't play with such, if players actually want me to be able to do such roles then I will either Duo Queue with someone who knows what they are doing, or they will need to be very specific at the champion selection screen and meet very strict requirements that will not happen in (Bronze) but rather only way higher Queues, or PRO teams.

. Zero Communication in champion select . Random ADC champion Lock

I would end up feeding just as bad, Last Season I did awful I had a page where I played with "Slow Players" and players who had no idea how to play with me in a bot lane all "Solo Queue" and I feed like crazy 20+ Deaths in many of my games if you can't remember that, This season "Since Role Selection" I have been doing nothing but playing "Solo Roles" and because of the new system, I have not fed as much compared to what I would do if forced into a role or Trolled like today, there is like one game in my match history where I did god awful myself in a solo role simply because the champion is not my type of play and having to deal with this idiot today.

The point is getting like 1 Bad Game where I feed like crazy because of an Obvious Troll in my game should not trigger an automatic 2 week suspension regardless of me refusing to change game-play and doing awful because of it.

If I would have been playing something else not lane specific I think I could have done better than my 0/14 score, but being screwed over like this with zero jungle clear really screwed me over and screwed over everyone else, not to mention the guy who did take my top lane feed like 8 deaths themselves in a 1v1 should be obvious of what was going on, and hopefully Riot will review the match history and see that I am correct about this.

** Also doesn't help the fact that I typed /mute all at the start of the game because I don't want to hear toxic players, that means I can't hear anything anyone says, which is for a good reason, but even if (X) Player was trying to tell me something it wouldn't be possible for me to hear it anyways, because I don't want to hear it, and honestly I don't care if I am liked or not by everyone, I am here to play the game and nothing more, I take the game seriously until the point where players just flat out don't care then I don't care either I am not saying I don't try to play or win the games ,but I mean I won't make a big deal over a loss of a game either.**

But I am saying in this specific game its either.

1.) Play and Risk Feeding aka my only option is solo roles only aka (Top) from start the way it was planned. (Mid if changing champion/ rune layout.)

2.) Jungle, and likely feeding as I did not intentional just the fact my champion has no clear, and was built for specific lane phase.

3.) GO AFK and get banned by leave buster perhaps I would have just got a warning instead if I did this given the fact I don't leave my games.

TL:DR? I have started posting this users name and link on all other forums related to LOL Trolls for their in game griefing behavior its something I take very seriously, and I hope Riot will address the issue. In other words if feeding ia game hard like this because of a Troll stealing role, then there should be an option to report for Role Steal since Riot gave us the tools to fix this toxic behavior, and it should be treated just as bad.

CooL Ice Tea3 votes

Not a valid solution

I didnt read anything else, i guess 90 % of the people wont.

All i can say about these 4 words - see your perma coming

Ada Wong1 votes

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I didnt read anything else, i guess 90 % of the people wont.

All i can say about these 4 words - see your perma coming

**Already got perma-banned last year for (Feeding like 15) games because of a forced role (and appealed it successfully) Wasn't a full win because it did look very bad on me but they reduced it to two weeks. **

Went 5 months playing ( SOLO ROLES) only without feeding as hard except a few games where I just did god awful getting countered in, but never as bad, Got banned for this specific game today after getting trolled and dying 0/14 like god awful because of being trolled and unable to play this bot lane as it was (Specifically being played for top).

No I didn't type anything toxic in chat because ( I muted everyone.) so I couldn't hear anyone type anything.

The question is simple...

Was shyvana in this game who was supposed to be Top Lane in the game supposed to Role Steal because they did not agree with the way I was playing, and Intentionally cause the game to be lost, Yes I died 14 times, but what they did was Steal my role where they were not supposed to be, Go Top Lane, and Feed 8 Times.

https://gyazo.com/b188820e6979da4a69c133927929c086 This proves that I am right about it.

Like everyone was following role selection except for this user, and if I knew they were going to troll this before I went top I could have possibly have done something to not feed 0/14 and maybe have done a bit better, but I didn't know they were going to do this.

Also if Sona had Jungle Clear which it doesn't I wouldn't have feed as bad, why don't you go try counter jungling the enemy in the jungle with smite when a player is going to be toxic and see how far you get if you feed when that is your only option to do that or (AFK) I would rather take the 1% chance to maybe win than 0% chance because I go afk.

Even if I went afk, with the "Shyvana" feeding top lane 8 deaths like they did the game wouldn't have been won anyways so I don't understand what the big deal is over a game where I died 14 times, Like I understand what a big deal it is but I don't understand why a 2 week ban for being intentionally griefed by another player ruining the game for myself 20 minutes of my Real Life time and +3 other players who maybe wanted to win I dunno I muted everyone I can't speak for them.

Oh yeah and don't tell me Riot can't change bans' or review games because my friend is an administrator on other games lifting a ban, erasing data or changing things is a matter of doing a simple edit quite easy, even all those games you buy virutal currency in even RP can be edited easily its just not done and most company's have a strict policy against lifting them or changing so its not commonly done a lot.

Since I have brought this issue to light though and have clearly proven a player was doing this, Riot should address the problem and prevent it from happening in future games from players being able to do this (Perhaps Riot should work on an option that (Legally) allows players to trade roles in a game Best Idea Yet, as well as a report function to support players trolling this type of thing... IMO Riot has already done a lot made the game 100x better than what it used to be, but simply no system is fool-proof and some users feel the need to constantly troll, and be idiots like 99% of your games you automatically get idiots, but some of them are just hard-trolls like this.

Ada Wong1 votes

**The real questions that still need to be answered. **

. Is Riot going to punish players who Intentionally Steal Roles, because after this awful experience and waste of 20 Minutes of my Real Life time tonight just playing the game something needs to be done for sure to address the issue in this game, and future games where players intentionally troll others for the sole purpose of making them tilt, or the game go bad like this player did.

I remember champion selection they were like (NO GO SUPPORT) I clearly stated (No I am going support with this.) and the idiot just flat out goes top anyways and trolls something needs to be done to address these type of players.

https://gyazo.com/b188820e6979da4a69c133927929c086.png

Obviously if reviewed by support staff should clearly show what happened, and hopefully resolve the dispute because its rare to encounter this but when it happens it truly pisses me off so much.

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

A player stealing a role from a player is reportable & is also punishable (not sure if you meant role stealing in Blind Pick or NCS, as NCS has a higher punishment percentage imo). However, your intentional feeding has managed to make the role stealer's report ** a lot less valuable**, so you just happen to be the next reportable bait instead.

Just because you see someone doing what they're not suppose to do, doesn't mean you're granted all the rights to follow up as well.

Ada Wong1 votes

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A player stealing a role from a player is reportable & is also punishable (not sure if you meant role stealing in Blind Pick or NCS, as NCS has a higher punishment percentage imo). However, your intentional feeding has managed to make the role stealer's report ** a lot less valuable**, so you just happen to be the next reportable bait instead.

Just because you see someone doing what they're not suppose to do, doesn't mean you're granted all the rights to follow up as well.

I mean in ranked, I was doing a solo queue where players ended up using the Finder telling me they were going Katarina Mid Morgana Support, and a couple of other champions I personally didn't agree with the champion select choices though I think our jungle was Shaco if I remember correctly but they ended up changing their minds I went Sona top for the specific purpose of having some hard (CC) and hard Poke early on, while people will obviously disagree with this, playing Sona, or LuLu as a support Mid is viable, let alone top in certain cases.

I took smite for the purpose of being able to counter the enemy jungle, contest objectives and such so there was (no trolling going on here, even sometimes others in LCS) have taken double smite.

All I know is I muted everyone as soon as the game started because I knew players were going to get toxic, I don't like to listen to the toxicity or rage myself so its the best thing for me to do, I played the game tried to get ahead at early level and just kept dying because of not having any type of way to do anything early on, and no jungle clear for sure.

What I really don't understand is why this person choose to take my role then feed 8 times, Yes I know I died more, and there is a damn good reason I died 14 times, but taking role + dying 8 times in a 1v1 like honestly come on.. The person who did this knew I was against it because I knew what would likely happen if they did this that I would end up feeding doing this bad if I even tried to play there was only little chance of getting ahead off the enemy jungle early game when he was getting his blue, and hopefully be able to do something which I believe can be shown on my first death to players if I remember correctly.**

Going bot lane for me as a player with a random lock, and player who has no idea what they are doing generally leads to arguments, and same toxic results, not something I do unless I know the player, or they know what they are doing, in other words and I know people are going to debate this but (I disagree with Kogmaw as an ADC) I believe there is better IMO, and I would actually be setting up a Team Comp for Duo bot if I was going to do this, and if a 3rd a jungler where all 3 players knew what they are doing.

And going AFK obviously isn't an option because of Leave Buster, so getting punished for feeding especially in situations like this makes no sense to me Yes I know its automated but still.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

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I mean in ranked, I was doing a solo queue where players ended up using the Finder telling me they were going Katarina Mid Morgana Support, and a couple of other champions I personally didn't agree with the champion select choices though I think our jungle was Shaco if I remember correctly but they ended up changing their minds I went Sona top for the specific purpose of having some hard (CC) and hard Poke early on, while people will obviously disagree with this, playing Sona, or LuLu as a support Mid is viable, let alone top in certain cases.

I took smite for the purpose of being able to counter the enemy jungle, contest objectives and such so there was (no trolling going on here, even sometimes others in LCS) have taken double smite.

All I know is I muted everyone as soon as the game started because I knew players were going to get toxic, I don't like to listen to the toxicity or rage myself so its the best thing for me to do, I played the game tried to get ahead at early level and just kept dying because of not having any type of way to do anything early on, and no jungle clear for sure.

What I really don't understand is why this person choose to take my role then feed 8 times, Yes I know I died more, and there is a damn good reason I died 14 times, but taking role + dying 8 times in a 1v1 like honestly come on.. The person who did this knew I was against it because I knew what would likely happen if they did this that I would end up feeding doing this bad if I even tried to play there was only little chance of getting ahead off the enemy jungle early game when he was getting his blue, and hopefully be able to do something which I believe can be shown on my first death to players if I remember correctly.**

Going bot lane for me as a player with a random lock, and player who has no idea what they are doing generally leads to arguments, and same toxic results, not something I do unless I know the player, or they know what they are doing, in other words and I know people are going to debate this but (I disagree with Kogmaw as an ADC) I believe there is better IMO, and I would actually be setting up a Team Comp for Duo bot if I was going to do this, and if a 3rd a jungler where all 3 players knew what they are doing.

And going AFK obviously isn't an option because of Leave Buster, so getting punished for feeding especially in situations like this makes no sense to me Yes I know its automated but still.

In response to your champion pick, you do know Smite/Top whilst having the CC & poke do so can be done by plenty other champions such as Darius Sion DrMundo Gangplank , but this isn't the big issue.

But in response to your teammates' behavior whom have went to take your role in NCS, you can really do nothing more than wait for the match to end & report the person for trolling & intentional feeding. What's best in your case is to have just went to Bot Lane and at least try to support something for the team. Dying 14 times intentionally is nothing beneficial in this case at all, as it does nothing but express your frustration. Believe me, that's a lot worse than your "going bot is not good cz lack of team comp".

Another thing is the Bot lane situation you have mentioned. Tell me, why is it that it's okay for you to pick Sona top when you have a problem with Kogmaw ADC? This is some irony you have mentioned here, and it doesn't sound fair at all. Like I said the first paragraph, the 4 champions I've listed can have more team capability & synchronization with the team in terms of hard range AoE pokes & tankiness, than having a squishy mage at top who's at high risk of being locked down hard due to immobility & losing a free slot for any tankiness for the team.

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Fizpocalypse2 votes

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people like you are why i lose games, im fucking glad your gone

Why did u feel the need to nerco this?

Ada Wong1 votes

Thanks for the Necro Post, but Riot doesn't enforce meta, or specific types of play if a player goes to (X) Lane without getting permission because someone decides to go "Sona Top" or "Lee-sin Mid" and they still lock a mid champion and are like (No GO X Champion) X lane then its (Griefing) and if a player goes 0-20 or 2-20 you really can't blame the user as League isn't over-watch its not possible to change a Hero on the fly as you go for example if someone is trolling in over-watch you can change and not die as much in League you are stuck with what you are going and if someone trolls you its not possible to change that...

I've had the same type of idiotic junglers throwing games Intentionally lately, people starting arguments and just /mute all with my speakers /headset sound muted takes care of the frigging problem and even some of those games are horrid for example the other day a my previous game was very positive score but whatever next after was awful because JG decided to flat out troll lane phase which made a huge difference.

**And for the record I have went "Sona Top Again" and even "Sona Mid" lately and as long as the jungler wasn't trolling / griefing it actually worked so it is a thing, and you can complain to all the PRO Players who take Lulu and say that isn't a thing, as for summoner 11 there is a perfectly good reason to take this as a support, mid, or top perhaps people see this as not effective to have "Double Smite" on the same team, or even have Smite used for gaining Extra AP as a support, or as a Top red smite, rather than having a (Sight Stone) which IMO is one of the suckiest things given Riot Gave us Green Wards...item 1409 which happens to be better than item 2045 **

Yes (TOXIC Players) and (Junglers) who throw intentionally do Impact game-play a lot, and I do swear if Riot allowed me to seriously change my hero with this (Troll on my team griefing me in this specific game) I still stand by the fact that I wouldn't have died as much the way I did, but (Role Stealers) are gonna troll they can impact a game a whole lot.

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