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Ranked rewards debate

scazzman··6 votes·579 views

Currently. Ranked rewards are partially tied to player behavior. Players with bans towards the end of season lose access to ranked rewards.

Imo. Riot should recomsider their stance on this. As it only "hurts" towards the end of tge season. And imo is arbitrary and doesnt actually do anything

Arguments for current system

  • It is a harsh lesson for negative players
  • it gives "meaning" to going unpunished

Agruments against

  • 1 bad losing streak or escalated punishment is all it takes to lose your border
  • it teaches peoples "its okay to troll as long as it's after borders are handed out" and someone who gets 14 dayed earlybim the season isnt affected
  • some people would say skill based achievements shouldnt be tied to player behavior
  • It encourages bait trolls to try and get people banned late in the season.
  • Playerd who have lost their border have less incentive to reform. And may be pushed into becoming trolls
  • Borderless players may be unfairly prodded at by bait trolls

17 Comments

Kei1433 votes

Curious to see if you'll get downvoted for these, as this is a fair discussion to have.

Personally, I prefer the idea of end of season rewards eligibility being tied to Honors (except for ELO boosters). It'll give people time to reform through the year if they get punished, and if reformed, you'll get your rewards.

But that would make it sucky for the ones that aren't that active to earn the honors.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

Unless you made it a low honor thing of 2 or 3. Then you still have the original issue of the end of season being make or break for a single restriction. Because chat restrict knocks you to 1 and bans knock to 0.

Or do you mean being honored and not honor levels? Sorry if I misunderstood.

Magical Player3 votes

Players who lost their border have less reason to reform.... Aside from their account being perma banned Players are okay to troll as long as its before or after a cut off date.....No, again perma ban is very easy to get Some people would say jumping off a cliff is okay . Some people don't really mean anything so I gave a meaningless example Trolls bait everyone regardless, so its irrelevant to account for their affect and borderless alone.

Pro's by attaching rank rewards to having good behavior: 1- produces more sportsmanlike arena of play 2- Ensures people are aiming to be positive towards their fellow summoners 3-The risk to being a "dick" results in the loss of your "skill reward", quite literally a threat of be positive or lose your skill accolades

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Magical Player1 votes

Riot is not a babysitter, it is not. You fail to treat people with respect and be a team player then you get hit with the stick you ask why, but you fail to read the TOS. Riot tells you why in the TOS "don't be a dick" It's simple rad the tos before griping about a punishment a lot of punishments are easily explained They were being a dick they got slapped Riot can't tell you how not to be a dick, because thats a dick move So you want not to be a dick don't repeat the same mistakes that go you punished the 1st time. Honor 5 is a new invention to the game, so what if you're not honor 5. What does it do for you?

Simple thing is DON'T BE A DICK AND YOU WON'T BE PUNISHED If YOU ARE PUNISHED, STOP BEING A DICK AND YOU WON'T GET BANNED

scazzman2 votes

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Riot is not a babysitter, it is not. You fail to treat people with respect and be a team player then you get hit with the stick you ask why, but you fail to read the TOS. Riot tells you why in the TOS "don't be a dick" It's simple rad the tos before griping about a punishment a lot of punishments are easily explained They were being a dick they got slapped Riot can't tell you how not to be a dick, because thats a dick move So you want not to be a dick don't repeat the same mistakes that go you punished the 1st time. Honor 5 is a new invention to the game, so what if you're not honor 5. What does it do for you?

Simple thing is DON'T BE A DICK AND YOU WON'T BE PUNISHED If YOU ARE PUNISHED, STOP BEING A DICK AND YOU WON'T GET BANNED

"Dont be a dick" is subjective. And in most other games.simple passive aggressiveness or "negative chat" isnt going to get you punished. I bet youre one of those people who wants to get rid of the national anthem because its supposedly racist

Magical Player1 votes

I'm glad you assume I'm from your country.

Don't be a dick is subjective, however people when punished are being told that they're behavior is considered dickish. So riot is telling you via the punishment that being a dick is punishable Wanna not get punished, stop being a dick. Quite simple

ceNLIFE2 votes

Totally agree.

Best Vi Earth2 votes

this is why we have honor. if bans happen take away the honor rewards. also make the honor rewards much better than getting gold rewards. defiantly should be 2 different things. players should be able to get their deserved rewards for gold+ no matter what. getting there is the reward no questions asked. unless of course you get boosted or cheated to do so.

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Best Vi Earth1 votes

if you would have read what i said you do lose. make the honor reward better thank ranked reward. and if you get banned then you lose the honor reward instead of the ranked reward. being at a certain level aka gold+ should always get your reward. you got yourself there you deserve it. honor is a different story since it requires you to have good behavior

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Best Vi Earth2 votes

its really the only way to reward good behavior. plus not everyone can get to honor 5 unless you abuse the system and play 5 man flex

TrulyBland2 votes

I voted yes, but I absolutely agree that the arbitrary cut-off dates feel incredibly inelegant and might create weird incentives. Primarily I'm thinking of how this is supposed to send the message "Be a positive influence so you get rewards!" but the easier solution for people who have difficulties with self-control is clearly "Just play as little as possible until the season is over!"

Basically, these arbitrary cut-off points create a similar problem as one that Riot has tried to fix in another area: People who only play the bare minimum of games to avoid dropping due to inactivity, because they are afraid to lose their rewards if they play "too much" and end up with a bad streak.

So, even if for no other reason than consistency in their own reasoning I think Riot should take another look at the current way ranked rewards are tied to behaviour and maybe think about feasible ways to make the system more elegant and less arbitrary.

scazzman2 votes

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I voted yes, but I absolutely agree that the arbitrary cut-off dates feel incredibly inelegant and might create weird incentives. Primarily I'm thinking of how this is supposed to send the message "Be a positive influence so you get rewards!" but the easier solution for people who have difficulties with self-control is clearly "Just play as little as possible until the season is over!"

Basically, these arbitrary cut-off points create a similar problem as one that Riot has tried to fix in another area: People who only play the bare minimum of games to avoid dropping due to inactivity, because they are afraid to lose their rewards if they play "too much" and end up with a bad streak.

So, even if for no other reason than consistency in their own reasoning I think Riot should take another look at the current way ranked rewards are tied to behaviour and maybe think about feasible ways to make the system more elegant and less arbitrary.

Also. It low key encourages smurfing. It encourages bait trolls to make smurfs to target silver/gold players in order to get them banned. People on chat bans are encouraged to "retire" their mains to protect their border 14 day banned players are encouraged to make smurfs in the hopes of gettimg their original rank

scazzman1 votes

another negative result. is that players who get 25 game chat bans late in the season may retire that account, and be toxic on a smurf to prevent a 14 day ban

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