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Unintended consequences of the player behavior system

scazzman·10/30/2017, 1:39:07 AM·4 votes·838 views

I get it. negative players are annoying. but. I feel that riot may be indirectly making certain aspects of the toxicity problem worse. I've gone ahead and made a list of some of the problems that have arisen as a result of the player behavior system, and why they are a problem

  • The "/mute all mentality" More and more i see people on the boards recommending that people /mute all at the start of the game and not type. rather then actually try to communicate, while technically not against the rules. this can feed into negativity by demoralizing people who actually try and communicate. and the growing fear of the chat box imo in some ways is worse then "toxic" chat. This also goes further into my 2nd point.

  • League moderation has a reputation "You can troll all you want. as long as you stay out of chat" This is the vibe riot is sending, whether they mean to or not. you're more likely to be banned for calling someone bad or noob "in most games. mods would just laugh at people who report for this." then someone who intentionally throws games. which has led to an even more sinister form of griefing.

  • Bait trolling This is a very common behavior, where trolls will engage in passive aggressive, but undetectable behavior in the hopes of getting someone to retaliate in chat. and unless they flat out admit to doing it like this guy. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/O2BPoejO-a-fed-up-trolls-manifesto nothing will happen to them. meanwhile. some poor sap who gets sick of it and tells them "fuck you" may very well lose an end of season border or worse. their account due to these types of trolls

  • Myths and conspiracy theories

as a combined result of Riot's lack of communication, people trolling, and lack of trust. several player behavior myths have popped up, some of which are hard if not impossible to 100% to disprove, or you have to go digging through months of old posts to find a quote from tantram saying something isnt the case.

some of which include

  • "Riot only cares about chat and not trolls, because this is what parents notice"

  • "the tribunal still exists"

  • "the more reports someone gets in a game. the more likely they will get banned"

  • "when riot permabans you. they're really trying to get you to make a new acount and spend more money, even if they say otherwise"

this last one. while probably untrue. is further exasperated by my last point

  • Smurfing Riot currently allows everyone INCLUDING permabanned players to make new accounts. with zero attempt to contain them other then naturally running through the ban system. and the longer a troll remains in the game. the harder it is to ban them, as they gain further knowledge of how to push people's buttons while avoiding detection. even with people like tyler1 who have ID level bans. it's really just a ban from streaming. not from actually playing the game. if tyler1 plays off stream. he will never get banned.

  • "Soft" Prisoners island

Riot claims to be adamantly against "prisoners island" yet it already exists in pre 30 games. and low mmr. i honestly think smurf accounts "both regular smurfs and toxic players on throwaway accounts" outnumber the actual new players and people who actually belong there.

18 Comments

Kei14310/30/2017, 2:16:58 AM2 votes

more education and clarity is always nice.

SpelingMistakee10/30/2017, 1:46:38 AM1 votes

Don't use Tyler1 as an example because he's not toxic anymore.

CreampEye10/30/2017, 4:51:59 AM1 votes

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Blutseuche11/2/2017, 8:34:48 PM1 votes

"You can troll all you want. as long as you stay out of chat"

This is the only thing i can relate to and agree with.

You wont get in any way penalized or warned, when you consecutively Que as Support, but go Full AP, while farming everything away. I get it, theres no rule that tells you, you arent allowed to Cs, but why Autofill people into Support if they arent even playing effectively for the team? Why is that its not punishable to not buy a Sightstone.

Why do get people that are obviously Intentionally Feeding, not get banned? For what reason can they spam in Chat, that theyre running it down, Mejai should be bought and go 0/35/0, just to not get banned?

Seriously, i get it that Int Feeder do get punished sometimes, but even then ive seen 2 people that were wrongly punished.

The only punishment systems that you can rely on, is the Leaverbuster, which shouldnt be too hard and the Flamer Buster.

/rant over

HalcyonDweller11/2/2017, 11:33:48 PM1 votes

I agree that prisoner's island was kind of created by accident. That's what happens when they allow people to create as many accounts as they want. If you ban someone for being toxic and they want to keep playing then of course they will end up back at the start in a new account. It's unfortunate, and probably an accident on Riot's part. I do hope they do something about it soon though.

You raised some excellent points throughout this post, but I don't think too much can be done about the problems, Riot doesn't yet have an effective system for detecting non-chat trolling, so only the obvious stuff is easily prosecuted. That said, they are working on it. Here's hoping they get something implemented soon.

Lastly, the bait-banning is certainly something that happened, but there was no operation. The post you linked to was just an opportunist who wants attention. They saw that people were getting bait banned and thought that they could fabricate a story and piss a lot of people off. There's nothing actually connecting them to the bait-banning going on.