1 month of riot ticket support

Rhasta Smokeleaf·Sep 5, 2017·2 votes·2,470 views

Hello On the second of August I made a ticket named "banned in boards". In that ticket I tell riot--support that I have a life-time ban in their boards (here) and would like to know why. The frst "help" i get looks like this: "It seems like your posting privileges have been permanently suspended. There aren’t a lot of reasons to post the same content in multiple places. Every once in a while it makes sense to cross-post, but if it’s not appropriate, the subsequent posts will be removed. In some cases, such as yours, permanent suspension is necessary." The supporter solved the case, but it was not solved, and I did reply: "Okey, so can you explain to me what I did in order to be permanently suspended? Examples, what did I post? Wich rule/guideline did I not follow in the examples?" And he gives me the same of the old. No examples and didnt tell me wich rule I broke. And again he did solve the ticket. I responded with "Can you give examples of what I said that you consider: "provoke conflict or incite, bait, or mock others" Also again, please stop solving the ticket. Thank you."

A new supporter enters the case, and gives me this msg: "I do not mean to be dismissive or rude, but you should know perfectly well how you were behaving on the Boards, and you did receive an e-mail regarding the matter. If anything from the e-mail wasn't clear, please let me know and I will be happy to give you further context on it."

Note the first sentence. "...you should know perfectly well how you were behaving on the boards" ... This was 6 months ago. I did explain to him that you can not expect people to have "perfect knowledge" of behavior 6 months ago, and that I only been asking what is the problem. Again he did solve the ticket and didnt give any examples.

He posts 2 more posts with the same idiotic content.

New supporter enters and wow... : "I've done some research on your case, and it's pretty simple - you posted something that not only does not resemble the truth (your main account is still comfortably sitting Gold 5, was never Gold 4 and climbed to G5 after getting seeded into B1) but you posted it several times (copy/pasted to be accurate) even after repeatedly having it deleted and being warned by moderators to stop it. Furthermore you claim to have received a message that you have been banned for promoting 3rd party services - this has never happened, which makes it even harder to trust your sincerity. " <--- This is part of his post.

Not only did he call me a liar, he went on to lie himself as all of what he wrote was a lie. I did have a "main" account at gold 4 at that time (gold 5 now I think?) , and I was permanently suspended for "promotion of 3rd party service" , I sent him a screenshot of this but that didnt help. He didnt apologize for his lies but went on to solve the ticket. After a long reply by me where I did explain that he did lie and he was wrong, he finally gave me what I have (somewhat) been asking for this entire time... the post that got me permanently suspended. According to him this was posted "Several times" in the boards, he could not specify how many times "several" is, but I guess it's more then once.

"Hello. Im looking for help, bur since people are downvoting my threads noone can see them and therefor noone can help me. I used to be gold 4 doing very well for myself. Now Im on my way to bronze 2 and there are reasons for that. But again, no one in here is trying to help me. Rito support dont help me Rito moderators ban me here and dont tell me why And rito twitter refuse to help me and in fact send me nonsense. So can I please get some help from anyone? And I beg for you to stop downvoting my threads as I dont get help when you do, this forces me to make a new thread and hope that I get help. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation. Also, do I get banned for asking people to stay on topic? Do I get banned for asking people not to lie/troll?"

Time went on, and they contiue with their behavior refusing to tell me what the problem was or what I had done that caused them to permanently suspend me. I have told them over and over again that I have not understood their explanations (wich are not explanations btw) , and they solve the ticket and refuse to talk to me... This has now been going for over a month (check image)

Riot ticket support did lie to me, they are rude and disrespectful. I believe that in almost every ticket I made I have written "Please dont solve the tickets, its rude and disrespectful. Please only solve the ticket when we both can agree its solved and there is no more issue on the topic" <-- This has never been respected in ticket support.

This is only a small part of how Riot-ticket support behaves... there are much much more and worse, but you have to start somewhere to get things fixed, becuase this needs to be fixed badly.

Conclusion: After over 1 month of trying to get the question "why did you ban me for promotion?" answered its still ongoing and they have not posted any answer in the last tickets, they only solve and close without a reply.

I be more then willing to have Riot-Tantram talk about my accounts as long as he doesnt take things out of context (he did this last time!) Tantram you are not allowed to talk about my account without my permission and I have given you specific permissions, please respect that. He also did lie about my behavior when he did call me "soft-troll" and that I had been intentionally feeding in games.

95 Comments

ChermorgSep 5, 201711 votes

They're solving them because they are solved.

If you repeatedly continued posting things while moderators were deleting them and warning you about it, you were rightfully suspended from the boards.

Your best bet is to hop over to the moderation discord (see the sidebar) and ask them there.

Edit, I'll also point this out:

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3jEVVlsY,comment-id=003e,timestamp=2017-08-23T21:13:29.764+0000)

This is your 11th penalty on THIS account and have also been banned from the boards. You get reported so much that my browser had a difficult time paginating the results. I scrolled through 30 PAGES of reports, and based upon what I saw you are justly reported in about every game you play.

You get reported in almost every game you play. 30 pages of reports. 11 penalties in game.

And you expect us to believe you were wrongfully suspended from the boards? No. Seriously, grow up.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 5, 20171 votes

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They're solving them because they are solved.

If you repeatedly continued posting things while moderators were deleting them and warning you about it, you were rightfully suspended from the boards.

Your best bet is to hop over to the moderation discord (see the sidebar) and ask them there.

Edit, I'll also point this out:

You get reported in almost every game you play. 30 pages of reports. 11 penalties in game.

And you expect us to believe you were wrongfully suspended from the boards? No. Seriously, grow up.

Hello Maybe we have a different understanding of what "solving" meaning. To me, a case is solved when both parties are happy and consider the case closed. But what do I know, I have only worked support for idk, 5 or is it 7 different companies?

No that is also not true, no moderator warned me about anything, noone did help me regarding anything.

And my best bet? okey, have anyone ever been helped in the moderators discord? Because I dont get help here, the ticket support nor twitter support. I mean, the others are useless, how usefull could the discord really be?

Yes, that quote from Tantram is accurate, but this is what I did talk about at the last part of my OP. Tantram took things out of context and did post it, he is not allowed to do so without my permission but he did it anyways. He also did lie about my behavior and could not even tell you that those 11 punishments are over 7 years, that's less then 2 punishments every year. And what did I do to deserve those punishments? Ask him, cause you obviously dont read what I write. And I have given riot permission to post my logs as long as they are not out of context, but they have not... for a reason.

I expect you to be able to think critically and not judge a book by its cover. I also expect you to be neutral and somewhat smart since hopefully you gone to school... we can expect this and that out of each other but it doesnt help anyone to have these idiotic expectations of each other. That's why I dont have any expectations out of you nor anyone... because of actions,behaviors and wordings like this.

edit Also, I have not been caught lying once while riot have been caught lying over and over and over again, together with the disrespect, disinformation and rudeness... I would believe someone who have never been caught lying over a known liar any day of the week, but that is just me I guess.

Riot-Tantram also forgot to tell you that one of those 11 are from a "buster-leave" due to a fire in my apartment complex. He also forgot to tell you that one of those 11 are from me telling 3 germans in flex-q game to "please stfu" 4 times when they were flaming me for the entire game.

CooL Ice TeaSep 5, 20176 votes

he is not allowed to do so without my permission but he did it anyways

show me a law which says that. You are in a gaming community and writing stuff in an open area (ingame league of legends). Everyone which has access to that could quote you without your permission. If you are writing something on a overall open and official place like a game then nobody needs any permission.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 5, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=CooL Ice Tea,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fmycEFOa,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-05T13:33:25.675+0000)

show me a law which says that. You are in a gaming community and writing stuff in an open area (ingame league of legends). Everyone which has access to that could quote you without your permission. If you are writing something on a overall open and official place like a game then nobody needs any permission.

Hello I wish you were not ignorant in this question (ignorant means to ignore knowledge). Rito have said time after time after time that "we do not talk about others accounts" , you can ask their twitter support, their ticket support or here and they will tell you the same thing. The easiest way for you to understand this would be to google "riot support twitter" look at their posts to users where users are giving them images of people flaming and asking riot to do something about it... what type of answer do they get? <-- I Dont have to show you anything, I simply direct you to the answer you are ignoring.

Riot emplyees doesnt follow the same codes you do. You have to follow summoners code, riot follows a different code. That's why they are allowed to lie about you, but you are not allowed to lie about them.

Also, Summoners rift is not an open and official place. It's a closed viritual world where riot are the police and government.

edited Also you should know that Im not allowed to referens you, I have been suspended for this previously. Also you should know about the "naming and shaming" rule.

CooL Ice TeaSep 5, 20177 votes

At first I was taking you seriously but now I understood that you are just a troll which is really into his role and puts some effort into it. Close to catch me ;-).

MentalPopcornDec 31, 20171 votes

He’s really not just a troll this kind of crap has happened to me. All it takes to get reported is sheer numbers, reports aren’t aftially reviewed by riot employees. Otherwise they wouldn’t be so instant, they also wouldn’t be so unfair. If a party trolls you and convinces the other team to report you, or if it’s just a party of 4 you can get successfully banned. From then on riot support treats you like shit. Riot support generally answers tickets within the hour, it’s going on 18 for me and no answer to anything. If they don’t have time to answer tickets I doubt they have time to hand out punishments at 2 am lmfao

EvilDustManSep 5, 20175 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3jEVVlsY,comment-id=003e,timestamp=2017-08-23T21:13:29.764+0000)

This isn't entirely accurate.

This is your 11th penalty on THIS account and have also been banned from the boards. You get reported so much that my browser had a difficult time paginating the results. I scrolled through 30 PAGES of reports, and based upon what I saw you are justly reported in about every game you play. The severity of the chat logs shown aren't extreme. They do however show consistent negativity and similar behavior trends to your previous penalties. As such, the system decided, and rightfully so, that you are not learning from your previous penalties.

I spot checked your recent games.

One game, you loaded in and 28 seconds into the game informed the player they were on an 8 game losing streak, and were bad. You 'soft trolled' a few games, intentionally feeding but trying to stay under the detection radar. You argue with people in literally every game I checked.

Sorin AlucardSep 21, 20174 votes

Only commenting because I see a lot of talk about "definitions"

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/spamming

many definitions of spamming here other than your email ex. js

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 21, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sorin Alucard,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fmycEFOa,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2017-09-21T15:20:45.831+0000)

Only commenting because I see a lot of talk about "definitions"

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/spamming

many definitions of spamming here other than your email ex. js

Understand that I referenced "computer history". Not what a few uneducated nerds say during a lan or stream. It's the same if you ask your mum or dad a question, you get 2 different answers... Then you have to put a value on those answers depending on who you think is the most qualified to give the correct answer.

Sorin AlucardSep 21, 20174 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rhasta Smokeleaf,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fmycEFOa,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2017-09-21T17:18:34.188+0000)

Understand that I referenced "computer history". Not what a few uneducated nerds say during a lan or stream. It's the same if you ask your mum or dad a question, you get 2 different answers... Then you have to put a value on those answers depending on who you think is the most qualified to give the correct answer.

As an actual linguist, your response is very ignorant of language functions. Not to mention you were trying to use a limited context definition to strong arm your own opinion against better logic.

Don't even bothering responding past this, your rudeness and attitude is enough for me to see further conversation with you is moot. Look at your votes, look at the responses you've received. You're being overly dense and there is overwhelming consensus that you deserved what you got.

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 22, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sorin Alucard,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fmycEFOa,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2017-09-21T18:11:27.169+0000)

As an actual linguist, your response is very ignorant of language functions. Not to mention you were trying to use a limited context definition to strong arm your own opinion against better logic.

Don't even bothering responding past this, your rudeness and attitude is enough for me to see further conversation with you is moot. Look at your votes, look at the responses you've received. You're being overly dense and there is overwhelming consensus that you deserved what you got.

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Okey, so you claim Im wrong but refuse to explain why nor how... sorry but a random person who I dont value claiming something that doesnt check out and whom also cant produce reasons... sorry, again.. I dont buy it and neither should you.

You judge that Im rude, but Im not the one barging in here saying that my post is ignorant but refuse to explain why... how is that not rude? Everything I say I explain and am have been as helpful and as friendly as I can in my responses, the lack of understanding and empathy from your side is worrying though.

A normal person who claims "this is wrong" also explains why he/she thinks this... to do what you did is just moronic as it doesnt lead anywhere, what can I do with your post? Nothing, that is right.. all I know is that a random person have an opinion he doesnt base on facts nor reason.. at least he didnt reveal this reason nor fact to me nor anyone else.

"look at your votes" my other thread had 65 upvotes at one time.. what are you trying to tell me with this statistic?

Look at the responses I have recieved .. well its over 6000! of them.. no but in reality closer to 500... wich comment should I look at?

You know, if you sit there and have this or that opinion it doesnt help anyone... Explain what is on your mind and then allow me to judge the value of your opinion... As of now I cant due to the fact that you didnt give me any facts nor reasons nor anything, just your worthless opinion that I cant do anything with.... And so that riot understands. My opinion is also worthless unless I put value to it like facts, reason or logic.

Sorin AlucardSep 22, 20173 votes

Your judgment is lacking. Your manner of interaction with the boards is skewed with hypocrisy where you demand everyone accept your credibility whilst casually denying dissenting opinions.

I'm officially done with you man. You dug your own holes enjoy them

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 22, 20171 votes

As an actual linguist, your response is very ignorant of language functions. Not to mention you were trying to use a limited context definition to strong arm your own opinion against better logic.

Undertand that this is a misstake. I used real lfie logic and principles to reason with the user... not "Strong arm your own opinion against better logic" ,bro I used logic not "against" but with.

If you didnt understand the logic then you should have told me and I could have explained the part that you didnt get,but to guess the meaning of my expressions and to call it ignorant based on what... your made-up claim of education? Sorry don't buy it and also educated people have been wrong about the feild they are educated in as well... Like your weird statement up there.

Again, you can claim the grass is blue, noone believes you until you prove it.

TwinkieProSep 22, 20175 votes

nononnono YOU claim the grass is blue and provide shit evidence. This is why no one believes and hasn't believed you.

Sorin AlucardSep 22, 20174 votes

Its not a mistake. I did understand. Its you who fails to understand whats being said to you. you refuse to admit you're wrong. As an educated linguist I gave you a specific criticism. Any time someone brought up the "spamming" point your only "logical" response was "I wasn't spamming insert email definition"

I didn't even do it disrespectfully, but your response afterwards was "not what a few nerds use on Lan and stream". Then you try saying "you have to judge which one is giving the correct answer" from a mum and dad example.

1.) You clearly show in this response and the majority of this thread that you have very little to no respect for differing opinion. You clearly have no idea when to admit you're wrong in the face of mounting evidence and you give terrible examples. 2.) Your argument example against the definition I gave was weak at best and nonsensical to the evidence. Did I quote "nerds or stream?" No. I gave you an easy, searchable answer to show that indeed spamming has more definitions than the one you were so adamant about backing as a way to dismiss what was being said to you. 3.) "Made up claim of education"- disrespectful to me, dismissive, and yes ignorant. Who are you to question me in such a childish manner when you don't have a modicum of consideration yourself? 4.) This is why I didn't want to respond further--- You're dense and just want to be right when you're wrong.

I bet you're still going to reply with some asinine comment. I bet you're just going to re-hash the argument that anyone who responds doesn't understand you or know what they're talking about. If you don't like the boards climbing on you and shutting you down for your ignorant statements, take them off the internet.

DrugothSep 5, 20173 votes

I spy with my little eye, a very well fed troll. 10/10

Glu10SensitivitySep 17, 20172 votes

lots of people on the player behavior forums say they're innocent and think their behavior is totally fine and then when they ask for other peoples opinion and get told theyre being toxic, they just dismiss the opinions and just say they're sheep.

they may be sheep... or... they may be in consensus because your behavior is actually worse than you think it is.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 17, 20171 votes

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lots of people on the player behavior forums say they're innocent and think their behavior is totally fine and then when they ask for other peoples opinion and get told theyre being toxic, they just dismiss the opinions and just say they're sheep.

they may be sheep... or... they may be in consensus because your behavior is actually worse than you think it is.

But this is not the case, I have given you the link to that thread and I am 100% open about my log and my actions. 95% thinks the punishment is not justified. Its not a case of I murdered someone and claim Im innocent. I did show everyone my "crime" and people dont think its a crime. Sorry to dissapoint you.

EvilDustManSep 21, 20174 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rhasta Smokeleaf,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fmycEFOa,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2017-09-17T12:37:27.459+0000)

But this is not the case, I have given you the link to that thread and I am 100% open about my log and my actions. 95% thinks the punishment is not justified. Its not a case of I murdered someone and claim Im innocent. I did show everyone my "crime" and people dont think its a crime. Sorry to dissapoint you.

Where are you getting this 95%.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 21, 20171 votes

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Where are you getting this 95%.

How about you start counting and keep me updated?

TrulyBlandSep 21, 20174 votes

Counting is the only good way to get statistics, but you should always be aware of what you are actually counting.

Your statement of "95% think the punishment is not justified" is a statement on opinions. You are not counting opinions, you are counting posts (or possibly accounts that posted their opinion). So let's take a look at how much of a difference that might make:

Forum users are a subset of all players that does not reliably represent the entire player base.
People who actively post on the forums are a subset of forum users that does not reliably represent the forum users.
People who posted their opinion posted it with varying amounts of information available (or known) to them, and thus only represents their opinion on the case as far as they were aware of it, and thus does not reliably represent their opinion on the actual case.

So... yeah... that's what you are counting: Accounts that posted positively in your thread by players who are enthusiastic enough about the game to dwell on the forums, who want to voice their opinion and who may have posted their opinion without knowing, for example,

That there is a strike system in place (while basing their opinion on whether these logs alone warrant a permaban)
That you were manually reviewed by Tantram (while basing their opinion on their lack of trust in the automated system)
That you had a large than average amount of punishments (while basing their opinion on the assumption that you followed a "classical" path in the strike system).

The 95% figure may or may not check out (I haven't counted), but please be aware of what information that number actually contains; because it's really not as important as you make it out to be.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 22, 20171 votes

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Counting is the only good way to get statistics, but you should always be aware of what you are actually counting.

Your statement of "95% think the punishment is not justified" is a statement on opinions. You are not counting opinions, you are counting posts (or possibly accounts that posted their opinion). So let's take a look at how much of a difference that might make:

Forum users are a subset of all players that does not reliably represent the entire player base.

People who actively post on the forums are a subset of forum users that does not reliably represent the forum users.

People who posted their opinion posted it with varying amounts of information available (or known) to them, and thus only represents their opinion on the case as far as they were aware of it, and thus does not reliably represent their opinion on the actual case.

So... yeah... that's what you are counting: Accounts that posted positively in your thread by players who are enthusiastic enough about the game to dwell on the forums, who want to voice their opinion and who may have posted their opinion without knowing, for example,

That there is a strike system in place (while basing their opinion on whether these logs alone warrant a permaban)

That you were manually reviewed by Tantram (while basing their opinion on their lack of trust in the automated system)

That you had a large than average amount of punishments (while basing their opinion on the assumption that you followed a "classical" path in the strike system).

The 95% figure may or may not check out (I haven't counted), but please be aware of what information that number actually contains; because it's really not as important as you make it out to be.

Im sorry, I have not put a value on numbers, that's your doing. And how about you start counting? You sit here expecting me to answer every question, how about you start counting since that was what your question was all about.

Also, you dont know what Im counting because just like riot games you cant read my mind.

You dont know if my statement is an opinion or fact, because you have not counted... So to make that statement is just silly.

TrulyBlandSep 22, 20172 votes

Numbers are not a matter of opinion; even when that number itself is an attempt of making a statistic on opinions. Whether the number is correct or not also doesn't change whether it is an opinion or a (supposed) fact... it just changes whether or not that fact would be wrong.

Also: What am I suppose to count? I mean, you said

Also, you dont know what Im counting because just like riot games you cant read my mind.

So clearly whatever I count you can just claim that you were counting something different in order to not be caught stating yet another falsehood.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 22, 20171 votes

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Numbers are not a matter of opinion; even when that number itself is an attempt of making a statistic on opinions. Whether the number is correct or not also doesn't change whether it is an opinion or a (supposed) fact... it just changes whether or not that fact would be wrong.

Also: What am I suppose to count? I mean, you said

So clearly whatever I count you can just claim that you were counting something different in order to not be caught stating yet another falsehood.

I never claimed numbers were a matter of opinion. Why are you bringing that up?

You are also wrong. If I say 5, is it a big or a small number? That is a matter of opinion based on what is relative to you and what you are thinking about at that time. I can say that 10 is a big number and a small number depending on what I compare it to. 10 is a big number compared to 2, its 5 times a big. But compare it to 100 and its 10 times smaller.

And you never know until you starts to count, why are you even talking about this?

Do you remember your question for me? FInd that quesiton, then read the quote you provided for me, it should clear things up.

Understand that even if I were to say "You have misunderstood I was counting something different" you still have a number that you can lean on and use as an argument... as of now you are arguing without argument, facts, numbers, reason and motives (to my understanding)... I have an opinion about that behavior that would suspend me from this board if I were to share it... But I don't becuase you don't need to hear it and me letting you know my opinion is not worth getting punished for, if anything I enjoy the NA boards way more then EU boards. I dont have a single punishment here(?) Only 1 removed thread because they could not move it to the correct boards.

TrulyBlandSep 22, 20173 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rhasta Smokeleaf,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fmycEFOa,comment-id=00060000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2017-09-22T10:40:11.833+0000)

I never claimed numbers were a matter of opinion. Why are you bringing that up?

This is all about the 95% statement. A statement about which you yourself said in your last post:

You dont know if my statement is an opinion or fact

And the entire thing about counting is entirely pointless, when nobody knows what you counted and how you arrive at the conclusion that 95% of people believe your punishment to be unjustified.

I've explained in great detail why I'm not going to count, because any number that can really be counted in that thread is in no way representative of a public opinion.

You seem to be of the opinion that any number can be used to credibly support an argument... but that's simply not true. If I say "100% of the people I personally asked on the subject agreed with your punishment" that would not be wrong. But it's nothing I can build an argument on if I don't disclose how many people and which people in particular I asked.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 22, 20171 votes

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This is all about the 95% statement. A statement about which you yourself said in your last post:

Okey, so what is it that you want to know, I dont see a questionmark and I dont know what you are looking for and therefor cant provide you with an answer. Im also not going to sit here and guess what it is that you want.

And the entire thing about counting is entirely pointless, when nobody knows what you counted and how you arrive at the conclusion that 95% of people believe your punishment to be unjustified.

Wrong! That is not pointless at all and I gave you an argument for it that you totally ignored.

Do you remember your question for me? FInd that quesiton, then read the quote you provided for me, it should clear things up.

Understand that even if I were to say "You have misunderstood I was counting something different" you still have a number that you can lean on >and use as an argument... as of now you are arguing without argument, facts, numbers, reason and motives (to my understanding)

I've explained in great detail why I'm not going to count, because any number that can really be counted in that thread is in no way representative of a public opinion.

I have already done that but you did chose to ignore it, I did quote myself and you can read what I previously have stated regarding this.

You seem to be of the opinion that any number can be used to credibly support an argument... but that's simply not true. If I say "100% of the people I personally asked on the subject agreed with your punishment" that would not be wrong. But it's nothing I can build an argument on if I don't disclose how many people and which people in particular I asked.

Again, you dont have to assume, I can speak for myself and if there is something that you want to know, ask. Don't speak for me. Wrong! You can build an argument on that basis but it's rather weak basis and anyone who did study business knows there is a minimun number of responders needed to get what is called "accurate" result. That's why when your government calls your dad and asks him wich newspapers he reads and which radio stations he listens to, they also ask the same questions to x more people to get information on how many recieves what kind of media. Same here but different scenario.

TrulyBlandSep 22, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rhasta Smokeleaf,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fmycEFOa,comment-id=0006000000000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-22T14:28:01.834+0000)

Again, you dont have to assume, I can speak for myself and if there is something that you want to know, ask.

Uh-huh... really now? Then how about you answer the question that this discussion started with:

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Where are you getting this 95%.

And don't you answered it. You merely asked the person that asked the question to answer it themselves by asking them to "start counting"... without ever explaining what it is you want them to count.

I mean, even you acknowledge apparently, that the basis of where a number comes from is important

You can build an argument on that basis but it's rather weak basis

yet you completely refuse answering what that basis is in your case.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 23, 20171 votes

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Uh-huh... really now? Then how about you answer the question that this discussion started with:

WRONG! This discussion didnt start with that question. Why is that quesiton so important to you and what will you do with the answer?

And don't you answered it. You merely asked the person that asked the question to answer it themselves by asking them to "start counting"... without ever explaining what it is you want them to count.

Understand that it has been posted to you previously. It's very clear and the purpose has been explained. I have also explained how you counting gives you something in terms of an argument, wich you have none now.

I mean, even you acknowledge apparently, that the basis of where a number comes from is important

Why is it important?

yet you completely refuse answering what that basis is in your case.

Wrong, that is no the basis for anything regarding me. I previously asked you to not speek for me and not to assume. Im here and can answer questions, there is no need for you to assume nor guess nor put words in my mouth.

TrulyBlandSep 23, 20172 votes

So many lines of text... still no answer where you get the 95% from.

Why is it important?

Why is it important where my 100% figure comes from?

TrulyBlandSep 24, 20172 votes

I doubt the legitimacy of your claim. Good enough?

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 25, 20171 votes

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I doubt the legitimacy of your claim. Good enough?

No sorry. Understand what Motives is and then let me know your motives. I have explained why it is important previsouly, you have chosen to ignore preivious statements and arguments.

You claim you doubt it, but you refuse to count and cooperate... Sorry... It's not you doubting, it's you "trolling"

TrulyBlandSep 25, 20172 votes

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No sorry. Understand what Motives is and then let me know your motives. I have explained why it is important previsouly, you have chosen to ignore preivious statements and arguments.

You claim you doubt it, but you refuse to count and cooperate... Sorry... It's not you doubting, it's you "trolling"

Count what? It's not me that's uncooperative. It's you. You use a number that you refuse to back up with any evidence. You then ask people to reproduce that number themselves... without telling them what the number is even supposed to represent.

You are asking me for arguments to support your position. That's not how this works. If you want to support your position, you'll need to back it up with some arguments of your own... because so far, you have presented absolutely zero arguments for the preposterous claim that 95% (Players? Sea Cucumbers? Who knows) find your ban to be unjustified.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 25, 20171 votes

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Count what? It's not me that's uncooperative. It's you. You use a number that you refuse to back up with any evidence. You then ask people to reproduce that number themselves... without telling them what the number is even supposed to represent.

You are asking me for arguments to support your position. That's not how this works. If you want to support your position, you'll need to back it up with some arguments of your own... because so far, you have presented absolutely zero arguments for the preposterous claim that 95% (Players? Sea Cucumbers? Who knows) find your ban to be unjustified.

I have already explained what you can count and how it would be valuable to you and the point you are trying to make, if any.

No sorry, you are wrong. You are the one unable to show your motives behind your question. My motives are clear and Im cooperating fully.

No, you are wrong. That is not what I said. I dont like it when you try to put words in my mouth. There is a log, right here that you can look at and quote what I really said. You dont have to assume nor guess, we have knowledge right here. Please dont be ignorant.

Im sorry, but that is wrong too. I have asked you previously to not put words in my mouth as not only I find that disrespectful and rude.

As I have not claimed what you think I have said, it's you that got it wrong, sorry.

I don't have to back up anythong and I have previously explained this to you. Please re-read previously written statements fro me.

I have been very clear that Im looking for your motives behind the question you posted. I dont mind answering it, it's you that mind motivating it. If you dont know what "Motives behind the question" means then ask someone or a search engine. You obviously dont listen to me and nothing I tell you holds any truth nor value to you.

Understand that Im not here to convince you of anything. Im here to answer questions to the best of my ability.

If you were to look at others comments, I manage to answer every single question anyone ever posted and have reached my eyes. Im also willing to answer your questions as soon as you reveal your motives. If your motives are pure then so is my answer, very elementary and logical.

TrulyBlandSep 25, 20173 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rhasta Smokeleaf,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fmycEFOa,comment-id=00060000000000000000000000010000000000000000000000000004,timestamp=2017-09-25T12:36:19.374+0000)

I have already explained what you can count and how it would be valuable to you and the point you are trying to make, if any.

No sorry, you are wrong. You are the one unable to show your motives behind your question. My motives are clear and Im cooperating fully.

No, you are wrong. That is not what I said. I dont like it when you try to put words in my mouth. There is a log, right here that you can look at and quote what I really said. You dont have to assume nor guess, we have knowledge right here. Please dont be ignorant.

Im sorry, but that is wrong too. I have asked you previously to not put words in my mouth as not only I find that disrespectful and rude.

As I have not claimed what you think I have said, it's you that got it wrong, sorry.

I don't have to back up anythong and I have previously explained this to you. Please re-read previously written statements fro me.

I have been very clear that Im looking for your motives behind the question you posted. I dont mind answering it, it's you that mind motivating it. If you dont know what "Motives behind the question" means then ask someone or a search engine. You obviously dont listen to me and nothing I tell you holds any truth nor value to you.

Understand that Im not here to convince you of anything. Im here to answer questions to the best of my ability.

If you were to look at others comments, I manage to answer every single question anyone ever posted and have reached my eyes. Im also willing to answer your questions as soon as you reveal your motives. If your motives are pure then so is my answer, very elementary and logical.

So much text... still no answer to the question of what to count. Just the (very false) claim that you already did answer it.

It's amazing how much time you would save if you just answered the question, rather than repeating your entirely contradictive points:

"Don't assume what I want to say, just ask and I will answer." "I won't answer your question unless you reveal the hidden motives I assume you have." "I also already answered your question."

Nik NikersonSep 25, 20171 votes

You're wrong.

EvilDustManSep 25, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rhasta Smokeleaf,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fmycEFOa,comment-id=00060000000000000000000000010000000000000000000000000006,timestamp=2017-09-25T13:52:59.438+0000)

Please understand that I have already provided you with answers and explanations. It's you that still refuses to cooperate and show your motives... wich has been asked of you several times.

No. It's you.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 25, 20171 votes

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No. It's you.

No sorry. If you were to avoid ignoring the facts and statements provided for you you see that Im in fact not wrong. It's still you that refuses to show your motives and I have explained to you why that is important in order for me to provide you with an answer for your question.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 26, 20171 votes

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No. It's you.

There is a reason you dont show your motives, they are not pure.

TrulyBlandSep 26, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rhasta Smokeleaf,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fmycEFOa,comment-id=0006000000000000000000000001000000000000000000000000000a,timestamp=2017-09-26T10:13:21.483+0000)

There is a reason you dont show your motives, they are not pure.

Ooooor, I simply do no have any motives other than knowing the answer to my question so to better understand what the fuck you are talking about?

You are applying circular logic of the finest here.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 26, 20171 votes

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Ooooor, I simply do no have any motives other than knowing the answer to my question so to better understand what the fuck you are talking about?

You are applying circular logic of the finest here.

Okey, now I see the problem. You don't know what motives are even though I asked you this previously. Motives are what drives you. Example: I eat a banana because Im hungry and my motives are to stop that hunger. I flirt with another human because my intentions/motives is to start a relation. When I work I do the best I can trying to assist the customers because my motives is to make people happy and feel Im doing my salery justice.

These are a few examples of motives and intentions. You can use a search engine for more examples definitions and how it works. I also suggest you talk to others ragarding how it works if you still is unsure what motives and intentions are.

Also, that is not true. Just because you lack knowledge about something and refusing to admit it and also ignoring the qusetions around it doesnt make my logic circular. It doesnt work like that, sorry.

Also, you can say Im ugly , it doesnt matter to me as long as you cant prove it or explain it. You saing "circular logic" doesnt mean anything to me because I dont believe it, Im not sure what it means and you have yet to present any facts to back that up.

I wish you would stop this "trolling" and try to do something productive. Why don't you go hug your mum and dad and tell them that you love them? That would benefit the world much more then what you are trying to do here... wich is unclear even though I have asked for it several times.

TrulyBlandSep 26, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rhasta Smokeleaf,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fmycEFOa,comment-id=0006000000000000000000000001000000000000000000000000000c,timestamp=2017-09-26T14:09:07.716+0000)

Okey, now I see the problem.

The problem is you suspect ulterior motives where there are none. The problem is you even asking for motives as if they matter. The problem is that you refuse to answer even the most basic questions.

The problem is that you are applying circular logic, by assuming that I have some sort of evil motives and back that up by the assuming that I'm not sharing those evil motives that you assume I have.

If you stopped assuming for just a second you could see that... but I guess you won't. You'll just continue to be a condescending pretentious prick. Have fun, I'm out of here.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 26, 20171 votes

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The problem is you suspect ulterior motives where there are none. The problem is you even asking for motives as if they matter. The problem is that you refuse to answer even the most basic questions.

The problem is that you are applying circular logic, by assuming that I have some sort of evil motives and back that up by the assuming that I'm not sharing those evil motives that you assume I have.

If you stopped assuming for just a second you could see that... but I guess you won't. You'll just continue to be a condescending pretentious prick. Have fun, I'm out of here.

No you are wrong and you have misunderstood.

I have previously explained to you that everything is run on drifts, intentions... motives. Everything from when you go to the toilet, to bed, to eat, to study , to work etc etc etc etc. It's you that still refuses to understand this. You are ignoring the points and still refuses to answer the question, yet you expect me to answer quesitons. Sorry, I have also previously explained to you why I wont cooperate during these conditions.

I have also previously explaiend to you why motives matters, I have given you examples.... you have ignored it and I told you about that. Again you are ignoring history , facts and logs.

It's not a problem that I dont answer a question.. and the question is not that basic as you yourself did prove... And I also explained this to you. You are the only one having a problem with me not giving you an answer without motives, noone else. You did ignore the part where I explained to you that I have answered every single question that I have seen prior to the one you posted, and I have explained the reason for this. You have chosen to ignore these statements even though they were posted to you.

No you are wrong. Im not assuming anything. Im telling/explaining/showing/proving that you can motivate your question. Everything got a motive yet you can reveal yours. That is a problem, a real problem. It could be a mental blockage or just some immature mindset.

You are wrong, Im not the one assuming, you are. Why else would you post the question in the first place? Checkmate.

TrulyBlandSep 26, 20171 votes

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You are wrong, Im not the one assuming, you are. Why else would you post the question in the first place?

Thank you for, as a final note, showing that you do not understand the purpose of asking questions. Checkmate indeed.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 26, 20171 votes

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Thank you for, as a final note, showing that you do not understand the purpose of asking questions. Checkmate indeed.

Im sorry you are wrong. Im well aware of the purpose of asking questions. It's still you that don't understand: Intentions,motives and drifts... Simple biology.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 27, 20171 votes

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Thank you for, as a final note, showing that you do not understand the purpose of asking questions. Checkmate indeed.

Understand that you were the one who have been wrong all the time, not only here but in my other threads as well.

Yet you have not apologized for a single wrong doing. Your accusations has been wrong, your statements has been wrong and your principles has been wrong... yet no apology.

You have missunderstood, been informed about it, ignored it. You have ignored statements, facts and logic, been informed about it, and ignored it too.

Im sorry, it's not me that is the problem here, it's you. You have shown yourself over time in different threads acting the same way without learning.

Meanwhile I learn from every misstake I ever make and change my behavior. Everytime I am wrong about something I admit it and apologize. Im being called rude, disrespectful and a bad man.... But Im the one with a homeless person living with me, not anyone of you guys.

Again, sorry... it's not me. It's all you. The actions speaks for themselves, the fact that you don't get it is a question for schools or parents... no longer my problem as I have seen it, understood it and explained it to you.

I have moved on to better games, so have most of the lol-streamers I used to watch too, and also the youtubers. You should too, but I mean, if you wanna stay in these forums trying to "troll" others without moderators undertanding what you are doing, be my guest... I wont stop you. I cant and I wont because it serves me no purpose. I can only inform you from the kindness of my heart.

EvilDustManSep 21, 20174 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rhasta Smokeleaf,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=fmycEFOa,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-21T17:14:41.486+0000)

How about you start counting and keep me updated?

Burden of proof falls on you.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 22, 20171 votes

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Burden of proof falls on you.

Not true, look it up. You asked for it, you get it. Im not your service boy, you aint paying me. Sorry.

TrulyBlandSep 22, 20173 votes

Burden of proof is on whoever makes a claim.

You made a claim (95% think the punishment was unjustified). He did not even make a claim, since he didn't say that your number was incorrect.

Burden of proof is on you. That's how this works, I'm afraid.

Edit: From one of your posts in this thread:

Again, you can claim the grass is blue, noone believes you until you prove it.

Sorin AlucardSep 22, 20172 votes

Bazinga

EvilDustManSep 23, 20173 votes

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Bazinga

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