Permanently banned (With Ingame log)

Rhasta Smokeleaf·Aug 21, 2017·81 votes·21,853 views

Hello summoners. I might not be able to answer any questions or anything like that because Im life-time banned in the boards as well. Today I was permanently banned and here is the entire log I was presented with: (Edited) |This was the only game I was banned for, there are no more log and no more games. I have not removed anything nor added anything. What you see is what I got from the Lol-client. I have no problem printscreening the log from the client for those who don't believe this is the entire log I was presented with. |I was banned about 3 min after that game. |I have made a support ticket and waiting for riot to respond. (The did respond, look at the end of this post) |Support ticket was made 48+ hours ago. |First support ticket was solved without a response! |To me, Ekko was the real problem. Morgana was just inexperienced and was more interested in discussing then winning. As you can see by the log we had a little discussion regarding my death when I did ward tribrush to bait in Vi. Vi came but Morgana didn't dispite it being the tribrush and it was our side and I had pinged for assistance about 10 senconds in advance, her excuse was that she was clearing the minionwave (as a level 3-4 morgana?) and therefor didn't want to zone/ try to Q the rakan who walked on the inside (next to morgana) to get to me. Hence the "zoning" comment from my side where I did think Morgana should have zoned out the rakan and leaving me and vi for a 1v1 at least. There is an in-game replay of the entire game that anyone can watch to my understanding. |I welcome any rioter in here and you have my permission to talk about my account regarding this case as long as all context are posted. |I was Twitch Jungle, not adc. |Everything I said had a reason that I can justify. |My intentions were never to blame anyone, my intentions were to win the game and if that requires me to tell a player how to zone someone out then that is what I will do. I dont see how that goes against anything in summoners code. |"You talk to much" , what is to much and what is to little? I have seen world champions lose games to amatures due to lack of communication. Also I dont see how "talking to much" goes against summoners code. |I did not have a chat restriction nor any recent bans when this ban happen. The last ban I had was half a year ago(?) . I did post the log here as well and people did comment like you are here, most thinks that I did edit the log because it's not as toxic as one could assume given the permanent ban. I dont edit my logs. |I would post a link with a screenshot from the client with the log, but then I would break the "reference" rule in the forums, Im only allowed 1 reference. |HERBIE28 decided to solve the ticket and close it. He didnt respond to the questions I had and didnt want to acknowledge the thread nor the peoples opinion within this thread. I have made a new ticket where I ask of them to make a public statment(as you have asked for) and I have told them that I have given them the permission to talk about my account as long as they dont take things out of context. (Edited)

Game 1 Lovepet: I try if I see an opening Lovepet: neither could I Lovepet: I have no idea how they knew I was there Lovepet: I need 6 Lovepet: morgana? Lovepet: I want you to zone them off and use your Q to stun them Lovepet: so that I can deal dmg Lovepet: I did ping you, you knew what was going to happen. Lovepet: that is not what I said morgana Lovepet: you know what zoning is? Lovepet: so why not ping me back then? Lovepet: if you aint going to help Lovepet: you basically kill me Lovepet: I was defending a ward, but ok Lovepet: agaisnt rakan? Lovepet: so how can you def tower? Lovepet: yes Lovepet: how? Lovepet: not really, any other champs have different skills Lovepet: such as viktor have his E for clearance Lovepet: because they attacked me Lovepet: because you didnt zone them off Lovepet: its very elementary Lovepet: ofc Lovepet: I cant carry you, sry Lovepet: ekko, you cant tell kids what to do Lovepet: just look at what morgana told me when I did try Lovepet: see? Lovepet: morgana, Im not blaming... please read waht I type Lovepet: its over Lovepet: yeap Lovepet: not really Lovepet: not really Lovepet: riven its not blame Lovepet: its quesitons Lovepet: please learn the difference Lovepet: blame looks like this :Its your fault we lost <-- that is blame Lovepet: this is a question: How old are you? <-- notice the questionmark Lovepet: you cant tell her what to do Lovepet: ekko, twitch is a very viable jungler and the game recommend me jugle items Lovepet: also if you were to google "twitch jungle" you get plenty of results and guides Lovepet: ekko lol Lovepet: tell enemy team to stop killing me? Lovepet: hey fizz, "stop die" .. lol Lovepet: ekko lol! please try to understand and if you cant let me know and I explain it to you Lovepet: ofc I am Lovepet: yeah tell that to ekko Lovepet: he flames me cause I die. but what can I do? Lovepet: what does that mean? Lovepet: it also makes no sense? Lovepet: ekko no, skypename? Lovepet: I explain it to you Lovepet: or you explain it to me Lovepet: you told me not to die Lovepet: Im doing that Lovepet: now he flames me for not dying, there is no winning here Lovepet: sry I dont listen to you Lovepet: you flamer Lovepet: ofc Lovepet: Im odler then you Lovepet: wtf? Lovepet: I cant Lovepet: I have a flamer in my team Lovepet: and I have people who doesnt understand zoning Lovepet: What have I said that you think is "flame" ? Lovepet: Im saying that you are flaming, and that is not flaming Lovepet: its allowed to feed, called gameplay Lovepet: you see that? IM not allowed to die for ekko, then he threatens to report me for flame and feeding, wtf? Lovepet: sry no' Lovepet: well he dint flame at start Lovepet: he started to flame morgana, and then me

I made a ticket(provided log) and had 1 question only: I dont understand what in this log is the problem. Now Im permanently banned (on this account?) Please explain what is the problem here cause I have no idea, really I have no idea.

Support ticket was responded to with this msg: MYSTICKARMA Today at 13:13 Hey there Summoner!

Your account has been permanently banned after being escalated through multiple levels of punishment by our disciplinary audits.

To see the most recent games which led to this action, please log in to the client to view your reform card. While we do our best at Riot Games to encourage reform, we permanently remove players who continue to create negative experiences from our game.

This action is only taken after repeat punishments and we will not lift the suspension under any circumstance.

It's important to keep in mind that we do not tolerate negative behavior of any kind, including retaliating to toxic behavior in the same manner. If someone else is being toxic, feel free to mute them and report them later, especially if you received the final warning, the two week suspension.

Although this marks the end of the line, we’re confident that with some reflection you will be able to avoid this kind of situation with whatever new games you decide to play.

Best of luck in your future endeavors.

Kind regards,

MysticKarma

Player Support Specialist

"Heart and mind as one."

A new supporter came and did repspond to the ticket. The question was still the same: "I dont understand what in this log is the problem. Now Im permanently banned (on this account?) Please explain what is the problem here cause I have no idea, really I have no idea." The msg I posted before his post that he did reply to: Hello HERBIE28 Please explain why I am permanently suspended. A link regarding explanation has been provided in the previous msg. Please click it and read it before posting a reply to me. I ask this of you becuse previously I have asked of you(riot) to explain something and I dont get an explanation at all. I would like to know what is it that I said that was the problem? Was it the odl? The Wtf? The kid? What did I say that made you permanently ban me?

Also. Why would you give me a "reform card" with a lie? I call it a lie becuse of the text, it claims my logs are really toxic, but when posting the logs to the forums people claim they can use them as bed-time stories for their children... meaning they are not toxic at all.

I have been given the tips by someone who did comment to be "This, you have to be polite and persistent." I dont think I shold have to but that is what I will do if that results in me getting the help I have been requesting for several weeks now.

Here is his response: Hey there,

First of all, please keep in mind that toxicity is a very loose term that many players think is just a system that catches on to your swearing, but it's a lot more complicated than that, you see - toxicity is negativity in all it's forms, from the early GG's and sarcastic congratulations, to incessant whining on chat or harassment or just comments that distract rather than help, flame rather than aid, telling other people to report people which is also rude and not the point of chat.

Secondly, you were escalated through several levels of punishments (5 chat restrictions and a 2 week suspension) prior to the permanent ban. Those prior punishments were a chance for you to reform your behavior, but you chose not to. Keep in mind that, after the 2 week suspension, you should show absolutely NO SIGNS of toxic behavior. Also, while you may only receive a limited number of chat logs in your reform card, we look at your behavior as a whole, in each and every chat.

Lastly, making a judgement based on what people say on the Boards is not the best way to go about it. The system triggered this suspension because some of the people that played with or against you were offended by your behavior and the system deemed this to be the case.

Since the circumstances of your suspension have been explained, I will be closing this ticket.

Have a nice day!

Best regards.

Herbie28

Player Support Specialist Riot Games

Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.

253 Comments

RiotRiot TantramAug 23, 201765 votes

This was the only game I was banned for, there are no more log and no more games.

This isn't entirely accurate.

This is your 11th penalty on THIS account and have also been banned from the boards. You get reported so much that my browser had a difficult time paginating the results. I scrolled through 30 PAGES of reports, and based upon what I saw you are justly reported in about every game you play. The severity of the chat logs shown aren't extreme. They do however show consistent negativity and similar behavior trends to your previous penalties. As such, the system decided, and rightfully so, that you are not learning from your previous penalties.

I spot checked your recent games.

One game, you loaded in and 28 seconds into the game informed the player they were on an 8 game losing streak, and were bad. You 'soft trolled' a few games, intentionally feeding but trying to stay under the detection radar. You argue with people in literally every game I checked.

AnataBakkaAug 24, 20174 votes

I find it funny that riot doens't give any chances on permanent bans, even tho there may be mistakes, pc or persons everything can make a mistake.

As i can see you try to find excuses for every person permanent banned. Telling a person that is bad is toxic, ok, but it's not as toxic as to get banned,

"Soft troll", to intentionally feed is bad, but to lose hope and feed is another. I personally do that a lot, see that i'm losing but i never try to run away, i alwyas(see what i did?) try to kill.

Arguing with people every game is something everybody does, would it better to mute them? Or trying to convince them to work together and win the game?

By looking at your statements 50% of league's players should be permanently banned. (Tho i'm sure you don't care cause new generations will always come in so you never lose players)

RiotRiot TantramAug 24, 201723 votes

I find it funny that riot doens't give any chances on permanent bans

11 penalties before the perma-ban ...

Dr DormidonAug 24, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3jEVVlsY,comment-id=003e00020000,timestamp=2017-08-24T18:24:18.326+0000)

11 penalties before the perma-ban ...

Bleh. People have no idea about the mute option. Srsly why would anyone want to ban player for bad attitude?

RiotRiot TantramAug 24, 201723 votes

Because they don't want to have to mute their teammates in a competitive team based games, where teamwork is the most important contributor to winning?

Dr DormidonAug 24, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3jEVVlsY,comment-id=003e0002000000010000,timestamp=2017-08-24T19:33:01.020+0000)

Because they don't want to have to mute their teammates in a competitive team based games, where teamwork is the most important contributor to winning?

Well. Then its riots gamess choice to not recieve money from rp purchases by toxic players they banned. People that flame a lot in league are way too addicted to it. (And that means they buy a lot of stuff).

EvilDustManAug 24, 201710 votes

{quoted}

Well. Then its riots gamess choice to not recieve money from rp purchases by toxic players they banned. People that flame a lot in league are way too addicted to it. (And that means they buy a lot of stuff).

Riot has said before they'd rather have the majority be happy than get money from the toxic minority.

AnataBakkaAug 24, 20172 votes

Really 11 penalties? Did he know he had 11 penalties?

I also may now have 20 penalties cause i have been reported a lot in the past, which means the next game when i swear at someone will get me banned, right?

People need to know their level of toxicism, so if they say something they say it on their own risk, knowing what will happen. Those that tell people to kill themselves will get the final lvl of toxicims from the start but they need to know that will happen.

IF/when they arrive at lvl 9 out of 10 they will behave like puppies, excusing themselves for any mistake they do, and will mute everyone in the game to make sure they don't get banned. Banning an account is a serious issue, someone that has been playing for ages and gets banned out of nowhere may kill themselves if they find out all their work done was for nothing.

Surely you're going to get more questions from people on why their lvl increased, but that's your job on making the game healthier.

I think what i just said is the same as to why you didn't let people know their honor xp. You're basically telling them that if they're behaving ok they'll earn more rewards. If people were to get close to the next level they would surely behave better, i can't see a reason for not doing that. It's going to make the game healthier, even if just a little.

RiotRiot TantramAug 24, 201713 votes

Did he know he had 11 penalties? I also may now have 20 penalties cause i have been reported a lot in the past, which means the next game when i swear at someone will get me banned, right?

You KNOW when you get a penalty. You are told you have a penalty. There is a huge reform card covering your screen when you login. You are either chat restricted, in which case you are told after every game (and during), or are banned and cannot play. It isn't something you wouldn't know about. The majority of players never receive any sort of penalty .. ever.

I also may now have 20 penalties cause i have been reported a lot in the past, which means the next game when i swear at someone will get me banned, right?

You have zero.

AnataBakkaAug 25, 20171 votes

i have been chat restricted from the champion select screen a few times. Is that a thing or was it a bug? I know i was because on chat it was written "you have been chat restricted" or something.

Anyway, yea, it looks like it's mb. Didn't really knew penalties showed up.

Skins ProjectAug 25, 20172 votes

That's a net thing.

Imagine it in levels.

Server priority is the game. So your connected to that, but your dc'd from CHAT.

So you can't chat in champ select, or talk to your friends or accept invites or whatever.

(I think that's what your talking about)

Pierce The VealAug 24, 20172 votes

I am interested in knowing though how we would separate this from just people who are depressed/having a bad year? Shit happens. People suffer. Being somewhat negative doesn't constitute someone being a horrible person.

@OP allow Tantram to post your logs. Only way you can prove Tantram right/wrong/allow community to judge.

Master NoctAug 26, 20172 votes

Problem.

A person that 'suffers' shouldn't have a need to impose their suffering onto others. A person that's "depressed" shouldn't have a need to make everything seem like a lost cause, even though the game is going otherwise.

As a person that's lost both parents, and both my grandparents growing up, there isn't any excuse to do it. I always try all I can to make things better for everyone. Of course I have my moments, but I don't actively try making games suck for everyone because I'm too upset about whatever reason.

But yes, if OP lets them show logs, maybe people can see what's going on.

Rhasta SmokeleafAug 24, 20177 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3jEVVlsY,comment-id=003e,timestamp=2017-08-23T21:13:29.764+0000)

This isn't entirely accurate.

This is your 11th penalty on THIS account and have also been banned from the boards. You get reported so much that my browser had a difficult time paginating the results. I scrolled through 30 PAGES of reports, and based upon what I saw you are justly reported in about every game you play. The severity of the chat logs shown aren't extreme. They do however show consistent negativity and similar behavior trends to your previous penalties. As such, the system decided, and rightfully so, that you are not learning from your previous penalties.

I spot checked your recent games.

One game, you loaded in and 28 seconds into the game informed the player they were on an 8 game losing streak, and were bad. You 'soft trolled' a few games, intentionally feeding but trying to stay under the detection radar. You argue with people in literally every game I checked.

Hello and thanks for finally posting here. What you are saying is somewhat accurate, but still a lot of missunderstanding on your part. You claim I have 11 penaltys on my accounts, what are they and for what? I have been asking this question for over 8 months now without you being able to tell me what I have said that is the problem.(I did request this but you didnt provide info) You only say that I am negative etc etc etc, but when you finally show me a log this is far from the truth. (like the log provided above wich you also you could let everyone know is the 100% log and nothing have been changed on it) What you need to understand is that your knowledge is not absolut and you can not read minds, this means that if I say hello, it means hello and not something else that you want it out to be. This has been the case many times when talking to you(riot), just like when you did call my behavior toxic and did claim that I had called people idiots... I had not, the word I used was "idiotic" and that got another definition then "idiot", one you are and one you do. I stop using that word to avoid confusion.

And no, my logs does not show "consistent negativity" , that is a lie. Again, prove it to me and everyone that this is the case. I know that I did change my behavior after you what I did believe(and still do) wrongfully did punish me at the start of this year. I no longer "report call" for example and the logs show you this, for you to leave this out when judging me is you looking at the glass half empty and not half full.

If I get reported a lot, can it not be the result of people being to sensitive? If you were to look at those games where I got reported Im provoked in every single one of them and I simply stand up for myslf. I also dont understand how me letting my teammates know that Im on a losing streak is "Negative behavior" , if anything that lets them know that I might be "feeling bad for my recent performence" and can help me... You also left out that I did made a ticket about this since Im banned in your boards. As a reply to this ticket your college decided to lie regarding my punishments, he also did claim that I was lying about it, I proved him wrong and sent him evidence of this, evidence that got ignored.

Im not a "soft troll" or whatever it is you are trying to call me. Riot Lyte defines a troll as a force who wants chaos and drama. It needs anonymity, a platform and an audience. Im not anonymous and creating drama and chaos are not my motives, therefor Im not a troll and I dont "troll people" and I have no intentions of doing so. IF you were to read the chat logs rather then judge me on the number of reports you can see that I do answer every single question I get even though I get flamed for the answers I provide (like for instance about my age). A troll doesn't answer truthfully. Sorry your "soft" troll theory does not fit on me and only someone who doesnt know the definition would define me as one.

What do you think an argument is? Can you give examples when I argue with people without taking single words and sentences out of it's context? I dont argue with people, if someone calls me an idiot I simply states that I want him to use words he understands because when I ask him "what do you think idiot means?" They say "you" , which is inaccurate. They do this cause they are frustrated because they cant bully me in to submission like they can with others. Basically you ban me for standing up for myself on the rift. Please post a log where I initiate the argument and keeps going. I have already given you permission to post anything my accoutns have written in your clients as long as you dont take it out of context.

Your ticket support have treated me like nuclear waste and lied to me over and over and over again, they have disrespected me and been rude towards me. They make false statements they cant prove or back up, they wrongfully judge players, they dont listen and they dont answer questions. I believe I have not been judged fairly and I find you leaving out a lot of information regarding me and my activity on the rift deceiving. Again, I have given you permission to talk about my account all you want as long as you dont take anything out of context, like when you bring up the number of punishments I have but you didnt tell them over what time and when these did occure, becuase in the last 6 months I have is it 0 or 1 punishments? And that was a case similar to this, I did post that log in the forums as well and people came in just like here and was saying "This cant be the entire log" due to it being so mild.... Just like the log up there.

Im sorry, you ain't helping me nor anyone else in this forum when you leave vital information out and don't help and assist your players. (edited) Also I have not intentionally feeded once during this period, that is a lie! (edited)

Colgate GatorAug 24, 20174 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3jEVVlsY,comment-id=003e,timestamp=2017-08-23T21:13:29.764+0000)

You argue with people in literally every game I checked.

Took you a while, I was waiting for this while people mindlessly upvoted.

Wife In LanternNov 17, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Tantram,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=3jEVVlsY,comment-id=003e,timestamp=2017-08-23T21:13:29.764+0000)

This isn't entirely accurate.

This is your 11th penalty on THIS account and have also been banned from the boards. You get reported so much that my browser had a difficult time paginating the results. I scrolled through 30 PAGES of reports, and based upon what I saw you are justly reported in about every game you play. The severity of the chat logs shown aren't extreme. They do however show consistent negativity and similar behavior trends to your previous penalties. As such, the system decided, and rightfully so, that you are not learning from your previous penalties.

I spot checked your recent games.

One game, you loaded in and 28 seconds into the game informed the player they were on an 8 game losing streak, and were bad. You 'soft trolled' a few games, intentionally feeding but trying to stay under the detection radar. You argue with people in literally every game I checked.

Riot tantrum with that summoner 11 yo

Rhasta SmokeleafNov 18, 20172 votes

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Riot tantrum with that yo

Hello. I see that you only read the part where Riot-Tantram came in here to lie. Or how about you answer to the quesitons I had about his post.

I believe i have never intenetionally fed a single game of lol, please prove me wrong or else you lie.
You claim that Im a "soft-troll" bring forth evidence of this behavior or again... you are lying.
You say there were 30 pages of reports, how many reports on each page? Because I gave you permission to talk about my account as long as you dont take things out of context... and that is what you did. Why did you not hold up the agreement?
You claim that every game you checked it was justified...but with this log the overwhelming majority claims that it is in fact b-s and the log alone should not get me permanent suspended... about 90% of your community think this. SO please, justify your bullshit and quote the logs you think are so toxic that you can write "and based upon what I saw you are justly reported in about every game you play." <-- Because this is another lie.
Just like someone else said, how did I break summoners code by informing my team that Im on a loss streak? I also have justified this in ticket support, something you chose to ignore.
I have not argued with people in every game... that is another lie.

lets see... was that 5 lies and 6 straw-man argument?

He didnt answer a single of of those, can you... or are you at all openminded to what is going on or close minded?

New IdentityAug 21, 201762 votes

Dude cmon... You called the morgana a kid... It clearly deserves a perma. Nah but forreal wtf is this zz... If that's consired flame everyone would be permabanned. Rito pls fix your broken system.

Blu3JayAug 21, 20176 votes

Its wierd how he got banned for this. As most of you know the ban robot works off of "trigger words" i don't see anything here that would trigger it. maybe wtf? but im not sure

BerylCrabAug 21, 201721 votes

Did you deserve a ban? no. Should people be banned for things they say in chat when mute is an option? no.

Just do what i do, dont say anything except your champions joke and taunt. Havent been banned for this yet.

13900 EssenceAug 21, 20178 votes

{quoted}

Did you deserve a ban? no. Should people be banned for things they say in chat when mute is an option? no.

Just do what i do, dont say anything except your champions joke and taunt. Havent been banned for this yet.

I'd love to just use emotes, but I find my team needing the strong, swift guidance of a "What the fuck are you doing just end the game" when the AD is diving the enemy fountain with their nexus turrets still up.

TheHappyReaperzAug 21, 20174 votes

Should people be banned for things they say in chat when mute is an option? no.

They should indeed be banned. Being an asshole is being an asshole, regardless of whether or not they can be tuned out.

BerylCrabAug 23, 20171 votes

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Should people be banned for things they say in chat when mute is an option? no.

They should indeed be banned. Being an asshole is being an asshole, regardless of whether or not they can be tuned out.

Yeah, I can't respect people like you.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

Freedom of speech is a thing. It makes no difference if you like it or not. Riot games is based in the United States of America, not North Korea, where you can't say what you want. If you want to restrict what other people say, try moving there.

TrulyBlandAug 23, 20172 votes

Freedom of Speech has nothing to do with what a private company allows to be said on their servers. Likewise, Freedom of Speech has nothing to do with harassment, which btw, is something you can be punished for even in real life, and even in the US.

Being an asshole is not the same as voicing an opinion.

BerylCrabAug 23, 20172 votes

{quoted}

Freedom of Speech has nothing to do with what a private company allows to be said on their servers. Likewise, Freedom of Speech has nothing to do with harassment, which btw, is something you can be punished for even in real life, and even in the US.

Being an asshole is not the same as voicing an opinion.

Actually, it is. they are one in the same. Just because someone is an asshole, doesn't mean they can't have or voice their opinions. The fact that you don't like or disagree with their opinion doesn't make it any less of an opinion. Guess what? I don't agree with your opinion on this matter, and furthermore I think you are an asshole for having that opinion, so because I think you are an asshole, according to your own logic, you should not be able to speak.

TrulyBlandAug 24, 20172 votes

So, you view everybody you disagree with as an asshole? Likewise, people who you agree with can never be assholes?

I started out thinking we have a very different definition of "opinion", now I'm thinking we have a very different definition of "asshole".

BerylCrabAug 24, 20172 votes

{quoted}

So, you view everybody you disagree with as an asshole? Likewise, people who you agree with can never be assholes?

Congratulations, you have arrived at the point I was making. Which is (since I clearly have to spell it out for you) Who gets to determine who is an asshole? Are we not all assholes in someone's eyes? Is not the matter of deciding if someone is an asshole infact an OPINION?

TrulyBlandAug 24, 20172 votes

Who gets to determine who is an asshole?

Ultimately: Riot. They choose to listen very closely to the community though. Which makes sense, because they are selling a game meant to be enjoyed. When asshole start ruining peoples' enjoyment of the game, that's bad for their business.

Is not the matter of deciding if someone is an asshole infact an OPINION?

So? What's your point here? A lot of things in life are based on opinions. Hell, our entire economy is ultimately based on peoples' opinion on value. Our laws are made based on the opinion that... including the idea of freedom of speech.

Whenever you can you should base things off of facts. But the moment it comes to social interactions all you have are opinions. If you're lucky, you can have reliable surveys giving you facts about opinions, but then the base is still peoples' opinions.

And here, if it's a fact that most people you encounter have the opinion that you are an asshole then Riot has every right to act based on that to protect their game and their business.

BerylCrabAug 24, 20172 votes

{quoted}

Ultimately: Riot. They choose to listen very closely to the community though. Which makes sense, because they are selling a game meant to be enjoyed. When asshole start ruining peoples' enjoyment of the game, that's bad for their business.

So? What's your point here? A lot of things in life are based on opinions. Hell, our entire economy is ultimately based on peoples' opinion on value. Our laws are made based on the opinion that... including the idea of freedom of speech.

Whenever you can you should base things off of facts. But the moment it comes to social interactions all you have are opinions. If you're lucky, you can have reliable surveys giving you facts about opinions, but then the base is still peoples' opinions.

And here, if it's a fact that most people you encounter have the opinion that you are an asshole then Riot has every right to act based on that to protect their game and their business.

Lol, you actually responded to a bunch of rhetorical questions that don't have answers. Riot certainly does not decide for me who i think is an asshole. I feel sorry for anyone who allows riot to make decisions for them.

My point is that you have no point when I pointed out that what you are saying is an opinion. The fact that you cannot see past your own nose is really sad.

I bid you ADIEU

TrulyBlandAug 24, 20173 votes

Riot certainly does not decide for me who i think is an asshole.

No of course they don't. They decide for themselves who they believe is an asshole. They get to decide who gets to play on their servers and who, due to being bad for business, is kicked off.

And once again: What's your point about it being an opinion? Why is it being an opinion bad? Why point out that it is an opinion? I had no point when you pointed out that what I said was an opinion because it's as obvious as it is irrelevant. It's like discussing the advantages of apples over oranges and suddenly being confronted with the point "But isn't it true that apples are plants, just like oranges?" You can't provide a counter point to something that... is not a point itself.

TheHappyReaperzAug 23, 20173 votes

But the First Amendment can’t protect Internet and social media users who forget that the free speech guarantee isn’t a free pass to saying whatever you want without facing consequences. That’s because while the First Amendment protects some kinds of speech (that is, you can say or do it), there’s no requirement that other people (such as employers, fraternal organizations, or schools) have to associate with you once you do. You can be fired, lose a professional license, or face a range of litigation for doing or saying things that, while they may be protected speech, violate other laws or contracts.

Also, the First Amendment does not protect all kinds of speech. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote that “the most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic.” Other areas that are not protected include solicitation, child pornography, and obscenity.

In addition, there are seven broad categories of speech (which includes things written or published online or in social media) that may not be protected by the First Amendment. Knowing what they are, so that you can decide what risks you are willing to take, is just good sense.

Those seven broad categories are, btw, hate speech, the incitement of violence, statements that support terrorism, personally held beliefs published publicly, defamation, the abuse of intellectual property, and true threats. Freedom of speech is not a blanket excuse for you to say whatever you want. And, that is in America. If you want to move to a place where the government doesn't restrict your speech, try moving to Antarctica.

BerylCrabAug 24, 20172 votes

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But the First Amendment can’t protect Internet and social media users who forget that the free speech guarantee isn’t a free pass to saying whatever you want without facing consequences. That’s because while the First Amendment protects some kinds of speech (that is, you can say or do it), there’s no requirement that other people (such as employers, fraternal organizations, or schools) have to associate with you once you do. You can be fired, lose a professional license, or face a range of litigation for doing or saying things that, while they may be protected speech, violate other laws or contracts.

Also, the First Amendment does not protect all kinds of speech. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote that “the most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic.” Other areas that are not protected include solicitation, child pornography, and obscenity.

In addition, there are seven broad categories of speech (which includes things written or published online or in social media) that may not be protected by the First Amendment. Knowing what they are, so that you can decide what risks you are willing to take, is just good sense.

Those seven broad categories are, btw, hate speech, the incitement of violence, statements that support terrorism, personally held beliefs published publicly, defamation, the abuse of intellectual property, and true threats. Freedom of speech is not a blanket excuse for you to say whatever you want. And, that is in America. If you want to move to a place where the government doesn't restrict your speech, try moving to Antarctica.

Ah, the pre-prepared arguments. Yep, you are right, telling someone they are bad at a video is the same thing as terrorism, and should be dealt with as such. Disagreements should be handled the same way. If you want someone to babysit you online, try signing your rights over to the government, or having yourself committed to a mental hospital.

In the real world, The KKK are protected by free speech, as are any other racist or bigoted groups, as are millions of assholes, as are the snowflakes that run the liberal media, and the idiots who eat that crap up like yourself.

TheHappyReaperzAug 24, 20172 votes

Telling someone their bad at a video game isn't terrorism, but using racial slurs is still hate speech, regardless of where you do it.

BerylCrabAug 24, 20172 votes

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Telling someone their bad at a video game isn't terrorism, but using racial slurs is still hate speech, regardless of where you do it.

Better call the cops cuz somebody said a bad word online I guess.

TheHappyReaperzAug 24, 20172 votes

A punishment should fit its crime. If you abuse a chat function, in a public setting, would it not be appropriate for your use of that chat function to be restricted? Calling the cops is excessive, and you know that.

BerylCrabAug 24, 20173 votes

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A punishment should fit its crime. If you abuse a chat function, in a public setting, would it not be appropriate for your use of that chat function to be restricted? Calling the cops is excessive, and you know that.

whats excessive is a company treating people like they are 7 year olds. whats even more excessive is people like yourself supporting it.

TheHappyReaperzAug 24, 20172 votes

If people don't want to be treated like a 7 year old, they shouldn't act like one.

RacoonHunterAug 21, 201719 votes

this is tamer than half the shit I've seen on both the forums and in game. Riot's punishment team CLEARLY doesn't know what it's doing and needs a serious overhaul. I really hope you get your account back and riot SERIOUSLY needs to either fire everyone in the player behavement department, or look at their program to determine punishments again.

First it was the passive 5 in Ascention, and now this for NO hate speech, not even a single fuck in the entire log..

Í Vyrdaes ÌAug 23, 20175 votes

This kinda thing is why I had to make a new account. Being polite to people at first, being spat on and told to kill yourself, and then getting a bit passive aggressive while still trying to maintain a positive outlook and shotcall gets you fucking permanently banned because any communication at all with your team that isn't stroking their throbbing hate boner with the widest grin is against Riot TOS apparently.

Skins ProjectAug 21, 201718 votes

Is this the only game?

*Edit Considering that's been addressed to a degree- be it true or false,

Would you post your previous game logs? E.G. from your 2 week ban, or was this a first time punishment

Mecha IncognitoAug 21, 201718 votes

Yeah don't fall for it guys. This is just one game he's showing, and he's probably heavily edited it to get some sympathy.

If it is true, go to support. No point posting this here at all.

ntbcoolAug 21, 20174 votes

maybe someone was gonna perma ban him from chatting and just miss clicked :). forreal no way he got banned for this.

Icy Hot ShotoAug 21, 201710 votes

Not sure if anyone has asked this yet or not, but have you had a 14-day ban recently? If so, then even a chat-restriction worthy report will get you perma banned. Which, this log would've been a chat restriction, at least 5 games if you hadn't had the 5 game chat restriction already. You're rather passive aggressive, which is fine when not used often which... it is in your log. You're constantly trying to put down Morgana and you actually were blaming her.

If you had no previous restrictions, then it's possible the system made a mistake.

Also, it's Monday. Give them time you get to your ticket.

FegoneAug 21, 20179 votes

Wow, this is so far from ban worthy, I could take that log and read it to my 3 year old as a bedtime story and it would still be appropriate. Can't say that about 99% of the chat logs of my games. though...

RIot, unban this poor fella, he did nothing wrong.

Camp TopAug 21, 20176 votes

I have to assume this is a bug. There's no way anybody should be permabanned for this. If this is intentional, riot needs to take a serious look at their ban system.

Achilles HerzAug 21, 20174 votes

I don't know why you are typing so much when you clearly knew that your next punishment was going to be a perma ban. Honestly, you think someone would just stay quite after the 14-days ban.

You can get banned very easily when someone has a last chance, and you didn't respect it. Deserved Ban.

SecondAirbaneAug 21, 20173 votes

honestly if thats bannable ban the whole community

cause why not? everything you say in chat is toxic lmao

THE HUNTERSAug 21, 20176 votes

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honestly if thats bannable ban the whole community

cause why not? everything you say in chat is toxic lmao

this game is becomign a fcking shithole i cant believe people get reported for this kinda retarded stuff riot fix this bulshit we deserve a fcking respect too not thos trolls that ruin our game

Achilles HerzAug 21, 20172 votes

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honestly if thats bannable ban the whole community

cause why not? everything you say in chat is toxic lmao

I think I explained it very understandably. He got banned easily cause he was already banned multiple times in the past, and he was being quite toxic in a passive way.

"you know what zoning is?" "you basically kill me" "Lovepet: sry I dont listen to you Lovepet: you flamer Lovepet: ofc Lovepet: Im odler then you Lovepet: wtf? Lovepet: I cant Lovepet: I have a flamer in my team" and a bunch of other little things that are irrelevant to the game.

Please, take more time to read my previous comment before accusing people of being toxic and typing "lmao"

SecondAirbaneAug 21, 20174 votes

none of that is bannable from 1 game though