How to avoid getting punished

Rhasta Smokeleaf·Sep 7, 2017·1 votes·1,138 views

Hello, as you can see from the image Im permanently suspended from LOL. I have 3 accounts closed/banned in ticket support and 3 accounts banned on the boards. Every punishment I got I have asked "why did I get punished?" I have never been given a direct answer from Riot and had to figure out the system/rules for myself.

I have broken down the system like this: Where do you get punished? In games only. In champion select and post-game chat you can say whatever you want, same with the private msgs ingame. Noone I have ever seen has been banned/punished for anything they said outside the game... I have screenshot from champion select where Nazi Germans talk about clensing the arian blood, they did not get punished.

When do I get punished? Within a few minutes after the system finds "trigger word(s)"

Wich words get me punished/flagged? Anything related to the following topic:

Giving up (ff, it's over,we cant win)

Verbal Abuse: This is a tricky one. You are not allowed to tell another summoner how to play the game. You are not allowed to say another summoners champions name (This is targeting and something I was permanently suspended for). You are not allowed to tell a summoner about mechanics of the game (zoning as an example) Reportcalling goes under this subject. You are also not allowed to repeat yourself as rito flags this as "spam". Dont say for example "yes" twice as this is spam according to riot.

Harassment: This is pretty straight forward, you are not allowed to say anything that anyone can feel offended by. If anyone feels offended by anything you said they have the right to report you and the report is valid. The one who feels offended have the soul translation of the incident. (this means that if I get offended by you greeting me, I can report you and you can get punished)

Feeding: This is basically if you have 10 more deaths then kills you have "intentionally fed" in a game. (Riot-Tantram said that I had intentionally fed the enemy in my games, I dont believe so but I have had games with bad stats)

AFK: You have to finish the game no matter what. No excuse is valid (I have 2 punishments for "leaverbuster" , Once due to a fire in the apartment complex and one for an urgent doctors call I got)

List of words that will trigger the system and flag you as a toxic player: gg izi/easy/ez (harassment) Give up (not allowed to give up) ff (not allowed to give up) report (Not allowed to report call) Ward this/here (not allowed to tell a player what to do) Gank my lane (not allowed to tell a player what to do) Help me (not allowed to tell a player what to do) "how old are you?" (Verbal abuse as it is not gamerelated) More to come, feel free to give suggestions.

64 Comments

ModThe DjinnSep 7, 20177 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rhasta Smokeleaf,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PwOAMUcR,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-09-07T13:09:28.914+0000)Where do you get punished? In games only. In champion select and post-game chat you can say whatever you want, same with the private msgs ingame. Noone I have ever seen has been banned/punished for anything they said outside the game... I have screenshot from champion select where Nazi Germans talk about clensing the arian blood, they did not get punished.

It's important to note that these chats ARE reportable, and do show to Riot -- they just don't show up in the chat logs.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 7, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PwOAMUcR,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-09-07T13:55:10.675+0000)

It's important to note that these chats ARE reportable, and do show to Riot -- they just don't show up in the chat logs.

No they are not. Ask Riot's twitter support.

ModThe DjinnSep 7, 20174 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rhasta Smokeleaf,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PwOAMUcR,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-09-07T14:09:13.998+0000)

No they are not. Ask Riot's twitter support.

Do you have a specific link to that comment? I'd be interested to see it, since it goes against what I've heard.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 7, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PwOAMUcR,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-09-07T14:10:52.097+0000)

Do you have a specific link to that comment? I'd be interested to see it, since it goes against what I've heard.

I have screenshot but am not allowed to referense it due to forum rules. You are allowed to contact riot twitter for yourself and ask.

ChermorgSep 7, 20176 votes

Why are you not alowed to?

Anything Riot has posted in their official capacity such as twitter, support tickets, etc, is allowed to be linked or screenshotted on the boards.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 7, 20171 votes

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Why are you not alowed to?

Anything Riot has posted in their official capacity such as twitter, support tickets, etc, is allowed to be linked or screenshotted on the boards.

You are not allowed to referense. I have been suspended in this forum for referensing in the past. This was also given to me as the reason for my punishment.

zPOOPzSep 7, 20174 votes

I find it hard to believe you are not allowed to reference an official statement from Rito itself....

ModThe DjinnSep 7, 20176 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rhasta Smokeleaf,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PwOAMUcR,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-07T14:25:41.419+0000)

You are not allowed to referense. I have been suspended in this forum for referensing in the past. This was also given to me as the reason for my punishment.

It's totally fine to post a screenshot of a post from an official Riot source. Naming and shaming individual players is not allowable, but posting Riot content in an informative fashion totally is.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 7, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PwOAMUcR,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-09-07T14:32:15.265+0000)

It's totally fine to post a screenshot of a post from an official Riot source. Naming and shaming individual players is not allowable, but posting Riot content in an informative fashion totally is.

Sure, but who is the judge of what is "official riot source"? That is also very loose rule. And this was also never told to me, what I was told was that I was not allowed to referense. Im allowed 1 when I made the thread, I chose to referense a picture of my ban to show you that Im not a troll, that I do really know what Im talking about due to the experience I have in this area.

ChermorgSep 7, 20176 votes

The well-known or published account of a Riot staff member or a post on an official Riot website/blog/etc.

You are being told by someone who is a moderator on the boards that it is acceptable to post it.

This is why you keep getting suspended from both the game and the boards and support. You keep arguing shit with no proof, no logic, and no understanding. It’s like your brain is surrounded by a freaking 10 foot thick iron wall or something.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 7, 20171 votes

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The well-known or published account of a Riot staff member or a post on an official Riot website/blog/etc.

Okey, then Im not allowed to referense the riot twitter support, and also can you link me that rule so I can see it with my own eyes? sorry if I dont believe you but people have been lying to me all my life , trying to get me in to trouble.

You are being told by someone who is a moderator on the boards that it is acceptable to post it.

Sorry, I have bad expierence with this in the past as well, just becuase someone says something doesnt make it true, I need to see the rules for myself regarding this.

This is why you keep getting suspended from both the game and the boards and support. You keep arguing shit with no proof, no logic, and no understanding. It’s like your brain is surrounded by a freaking 10 foot thick iron wall or something.

This is not true and this has never been the reason nor explnation for my suspensions. I have shared with you my in-game log where you didnt find a single argument. Also, logic is my thing and everything I do and say comes from logic. Please give examples as when you think this is the case. I cant prove something Im not allowed to prove, what I can do however is tell you what to do to get the same "Proof" as I did, and I have done that.

I think its sad you gone so far as to personal attacks against me. Yet Im the one being permanent suspended and not you.

zPOOPzSep 7, 20171 votes

Someone needs some coffee....

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 7, 20171 votes

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Someone needs some coffee....

Sorry, I dont drink coffee and I dont see how that comment is related to this thread at all. What is it in coffee that you thick I need or lack?

zPOOPzSep 7, 20171 votes

comment/reply was meant for Chermorg.....

ModThe DjinnSep 7, 20177 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rhasta Smokeleaf,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PwOAMUcR,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2017-09-07T14:36:23.052+0000)...what I was told was that I was not allowed to referense.

May I ask when? I'm confused, as I'm part of the current Board Moderation team, and this sounds really weird without the specific context. I have never seen or heard of anyone getting punished for linking relevant posts unless they cross the line and become naming and shaming another player.

Not saying it didn't happen, but rather that there may be more complicating factors I'm not aware of, such as, perhaps, the name of a community member being used in an improper fashion.

That said, if the source is something that you can't confidently say is 100% official, it's possible the content of it isn't 100% accurate.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 7, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PwOAMUcR,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000100000001,timestamp=2017-09-07T14:43:10.047+0000)

May I ask when? I'm confused, as I'm part of the current Board Moderation team, and this sounds really weird without the specific context. I have never seen or heard of anyone getting punished for linking relevant posts unless they cross the line and become naming and shaming another player.

Hello and thanks for stopping by. I have 3 accounts: This one King of the poro and Lovepet

You can go in and check the reasons for my punishments there on those accounts. Among those reasons you find "not allowed to referense" along with "not allowed to promote" but what did I promote? Have you ever heard of someone getting punished for leaving a game for the reason "Apartment on fire" ? well I got that one too.

Not saying it didn't happen, but rather that there may be more complicating factors I'm not aware of, such as, perhaps, the name of a community member being used in an improper fashion.

Then you should have given me more information along with the punishment you gave me. You have been hiding/refusing to give me information I have been asking for, like "Im banned for promotion, what did I promote?"

That said, if the source is something that you can't confidently say is 100% official, it's possible the content of it isn't 100% accurate.

what is "official" according to riot? is Swedish Tidningarnas Telegrambyrå official according to riot? (it's the main news page in Sweden)

ModThe DjinnSep 7, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rhasta Smokeleaf,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PwOAMUcR,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000001000000010000,timestamp=2017-09-07T14:52:06.719+0000)> Hello and thanks for stopping by. I have 3 accounts: This one King of the poro and Lovepet

I've been here, actually. We've been chatting for a bit. :P

You can go in and check the reasons for my punishments there on those accounts. Among those reasons you find "not allowed to referense" along with "not allowed to promote" but what did I promote?

Then you should have given me more information along with the punishment you gave me. You have been hiding/refusing to give me information I have been asking for, like "Im banned for promotion, what did I promote?"

I took a look, and I can't see any mod activity on ANY of those three accounts. Was this on the EUW forums, by any chance? That's a different team, and their specific rules may vary from the NA forums -- I can't really provide feedback there.

Also, note that the current NA moderation team is fairly new, so even if it was here on NA and not displaying for some reason it's possible that I wouldn't have had any input on what was told to you by an older mod team, although I'm always happy to look into and help clarify situations. :)

what is "official" according to riot? is Swedish Tidningarnas Telegrambyrå official according to riot? (it's the main news page in Sweden)

Never heard of it, but possible? All I can say is that posting screenshots of relevant information in good faith and not to call out specific community members is totally fine here on the NA boards.

ChermorgSep 7, 20173 votes

The referenced Swedish news source is a newspaper or similar - not Riot games making a statement.

I don’t understand how that news source would relate to OPs case.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 7, 20171 votes

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The referenced Swedish news source is a newspaper or similar - not Riot games making a statement.

I don’t understand how that news source would relate to OPs case.

Note that I didnt ask you and the quesiton is: What is official in the real world, does riot accept that as official according to their ruleset/guidelines? If Im only allowed to reference offícial pages, then I should be allowed to referense that swedish newspage as it is the official newspage for Sweden.

Also it doesnt matter if you dont understand or not. If I have a point Im making and need to referense that page. THen its my job to make myself understandable. Your knowledge is not absolut neither is mine. If you dont believe in gravity doesnt make gravity non-existant.

ChermorgSep 7, 20171 votes

..........

Let me just pull up my macroeconomics textbook to tell you what function the vagus nerve has.

It’s like... you can’t use a Swedish newspaper as an official source for Riot information. Just like how I wouldn’t take a twitter post from Target as an official source on WalMart policy - they aren’t related at all.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 7, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PwOAMUcR,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000010000000100000000,timestamp=2017-09-07T15:02:17.184+0000)

I've been here, actually. We've been chatting for a bit. :P

I took a look, and I can't see any mod activity on ANY of those three accounts. Was this on the EUW forums, by any chance? That's a different team, and their specific rules may vary from the NA forums -- I can't really provide feedback there.

I dont know, I just enter riot games forums and "player behavior" I dont see the difference between EU and NA and why would there be and why would your rules differ? If you are a moderator then allow me to vote on comments to prove it, and when you do that allow me to referense a picture from your fourms and I be more then willing to share the information I have.

Also, note that the current NA moderation team is fairly new, so even if it was here on NA and not displaying for some reason it's possible that I wouldn't have had any input on what was told to you by an older mod team, although I'm always happy to look into and help clarify situations. :)

It should not matter what team is handling a case, dont you have rules and guidelines, training and tests? I had all of those when I did work as a support for many different companies.

Never heard of it, but possible? All I can say is that posting screenshots of relevant information in good faith and not to call out specific community members is totally fine here on the NA boards.

Tidningarnas telegrambyrå is the official news page for Sweden. Every mainstream media in Sweden take their news stories and reports and articles from that page... so is it official by your(riot) standards, and that makes the question even harder... what is official according to riot and what is not?

ChermorgSep 7, 20171 votes

Moderators do not have the ability to allow voting - it is hard coded that only level 30 accounts can and only level 7 accounts can post.

The proof is that he has the “arbiter” or “warden” tag if you hover on his name.

The moderation is different between forums just as moderation is different between Riot boards and Blizzard boards - they’re treated as different communities.

ChermorgSep 7, 20173 votes

You asked for proof he’s a moderator. Literally the proof is because he is listed as a moderator. It’s like if you ask me what “2+2” is and I say 4 and you say prove it and i grab 2 m&ms and 2 more m&ms then count them and its 1, 2, 3, 4 and then you say “that doesn’t prove anything”...

We keep answering your questions. The reason people get annoyed with you is because you ask the same questions over and over and claim we aren’t explaining it, when in reality you just have selective reading.

ModThe DjinnSep 7, 20174 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rhasta Smokeleaf,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PwOAMUcR,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000010000000100000000000100000000,timestamp=2017-09-07T15:41:18.837+0000)

Sorry, but that doesnt prove anything to me. If my title is King, does it allow me to rule any random country? sorry it doesnt and yes I have the title king from killing diablo on hell difficulty on hardcore.

The catch here is that board titles can only be applied by Riot. It's not something you can "earn" any other way -- it's a title they confer that comes with the moderator role. :)

Again, you can see the Rioter-posted link discussion the volunteer moderator program that I linked you on one of your other comment.s :)

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 7, 20171 votes

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You asked for proof he’s a moderator. Literally the proof is because he is listed as a moderator. It’s like if you ask me what “2+2” is and I say 4 and you say prove it and i grab 2 m&ms and 2 more m&ms then count them and its 1, 2, 3, 4 and then you say “that doesn’t prove anything”...

We keep answering your questions. The reason people get annoyed with you is because you ask the same questions over and over and claim we aren’t explaining it, when in reality you just have selective reading.

Yes, and he is a contant moderator, doesnt help me. You see me and another person talking, it means that we dont want to talk with you at the same time, if we did then we would include you in to our conversation. You have yet to answer a single of my qusitons. I find you rude and disrespectful with the personal attacks and putting your nose where noone have asked for it.

I dont ask the same quesiton over and over again, and if I do its because you failed to answer it the first time, its very common to ask the same question that has not been answered before. I dont see you complaining whenever someone asks "what is the meaning of live?" that quesiton has been posted endless times.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 7, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PwOAMUcR,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000010000000100000000000100000002,timestamp=2017-09-07T15:44:54.960+0000)

The catch here is that board titles can only be applied by Riot. It's not something you can "earn" any other way -- it's a title they confer that comes with the moderator role. :)

Again, you can see the Rioter-posted link discussion the volunteer moderator program that I linked you on one of your other comment.s :)

Yes I know how board titles/ranks works. Thats not what I have been asking about or for. I only did explain that it doesnt really prove anything just like my ingame title of "King" or madeup title of "captain" (I have a boat)

Okey, lets say I press that link, what am I looking for and which question does it answer?

ModThe DjinnSep 7, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rhasta Smokeleaf,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PwOAMUcR,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000100000001000000000001,timestamp=2017-09-07T15:23:47.266+0000)I dont know, I just enter riot games forums and "player behavior" I dont see the difference between EU and NA and why would there be and why would your rules differ? If you are a moderator then allow me to vote on comments to prove it, and when you do that allow me to referense a picture from your fourms and I be more then willing to share the information I have.

Voting is tied to your level, and is not something I can change on an individual basis. I can, however, give you this official link that talks about what the color of my name means.

It should not matter what team is handling a case, dont you have rules and guidelines, training and tests? I had all of those when I did work as a support for many different companies.

We do, yes. The NA and EU boards are separate though, and are run by separate volunteer moderation teams with Riot oversight. Some policies may differ between the forums as a result. I also cannot speak for exactly what another moderator -- especially a predecessor of mine -- said or why, although I can try to provide context when I have access to the history and, when the moderator in question is an active one, we can (and do) track each other down to make sure we understand the situation thoroughly.

Tidningarnas telegrambyrå is the official news page for Sweden. Every mainstream media in Sweden take their news stories and reports and articles from that page... so is it official by your(riot) standards, and that makes the question even harder... what is official according to riot and what is not?

Posting a newspaper article is entirely fine, and not against board rules unless the content in it is against board rules (i.e. don't link to articles that are overly violent, overly political, etc). It doesn't HAVE to be official to be relevant -- I was merely saying that if it isn't official it may not be 100% accurate.

ModThe DjinnSep 7, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rhasta Smokeleaf,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PwOAMUcR,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000010000000100000000000100010000,timestamp=2017-09-07T15:44:36.609+0000) Also yes you are a content moderator doesnt really help me here, sorry. I need someone with more power and knowledge then you do. I mean you cant even access my punishment history from where you are sitting so you cant realy help me.

Because it is on the EU board -- a separate entity. You will need to discuss that with the EU moderation team.

All I can do about your specific situation is let you know what is allowed here. :)

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 7, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PwOAMUcR,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000010000000100000000000100010001,timestamp=2017-09-07T15:46:00.526+0000)

Because it is on the EU board -- a separate entity. You will need to discuss that with the EU moderation team.

All I can do about your specific situation is let you know what is allowed here. :)

Okey, how about you having a network of contacts, lets say someone from EU could look in to my case from his point of view, report back to you and you can post his findings here? Sounds easy enough, doesnt it? OR how about you get me in contact with an EU supporter and I be more then willing to repeate everything to him.

ModThe DjinnSep 7, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rhasta Smokeleaf,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PwOAMUcR,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000010000000100000000000100010002,timestamp=2017-09-07T15:48:05.082+0000)

Okey, how about you having a network of contacts, lets say someone from EU could look in to my case from his point of view, report back to you and you can post his findings here? Sounds easy enough, doesnt it? OR how about you get me in contact with an EU supporter and I be more then willing to repeate everything to him.

My responsibilities are focused on the NA boards. If you want to discuss an EU related situation, those boards are the place to start. I'm not going to go outside the normal process in this instance. Apologies. This isn't the place to attempt to contact EU moderation.

Again -- posting reference information related to a point is acceptable here, provided that content does not directly violate board rules. For all EU-related issues you will have to use whatever contact methods they have.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 7, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PwOAMUcR,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000010000000100000000000100010003,timestamp=2017-09-07T15:53:35.279+0000)

My responsibilities are focused on the NA boards. If you want to discuss an EU related situation, those boards are the place to start. I'm not going to go outside the normal process in this instance. Apologies. This isn't the place to attempt to contact EU moderation.

Try to understand my situation. I come to the boards to talk about something. Im rather new here and I didnt an still dont understand there are different boards for different regions and I dont understand the reason. I posted in here (boards) and I got suspended from here ( the boards) I dont know if its the asian boards, mars boards or EU boards. I have no clue and the punishments I get doesnt tell me what boards. Therefor I have no idea where Im punished and for what and neither doest you(?) This makes for a complicated system that makes it really hard to understand and follow.

Again -- posting reference information related to a point is acceptable here, provided that content does not directly violate board rules. For all EU-related issues you will have to use whatever contact methods they have.

Okey, well it's not wherever I posted a reference (to your own boards) and got punished for it.

ModThe DjinnSep 7, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rhasta Smokeleaf,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PwOAMUcR,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000010000000100000000000100010004,timestamp=2017-09-07T15:59:49.720+0000)Try to understand my situation. I come to the boards to talk about something. Im rather new here and I didnt an still dont understand there are different boards for different regions and I dont understand the reason. I posted in here (boards) and I got suspended from here ( the boards).

Do you have a link to the thread removed? Because again, you are not punished on these boards.

The boards are separate sites. Note that the URL here is boards.na.leagueoflegends.com rather than, say, boards.eu.leagueoflegends.com.

I understand it's confusing, which is why I'm attempting to make it clear that there are separate boards for separate regions, and I have no control or ability to access your account on other boards.

You are not punished or suspended on these boards that I can see. Nor will you be for posting related content unless that content violates other rules.

I can't add much more clarity, or do anything to help you with your EU board issue, if that is indeed what the problem is. Best of luck.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 7, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PwOAMUcR,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000010000000100000000000100010005,timestamp=2017-09-07T16:08:05.270+0000)

Do you have a link to the thread removed? Because again, you are not punished on these boards.

Maybe, where would I find these links? Help me help you to help me.

The boards are separate sites. Note that the URL here is boards.na.leagueoflegends.com rather than, say, boards.eu.leagueoflegends.com.

Sure, I can see that but I still dont understand the reason for keeping it separate as it causes confusion. (just like in this case)

I understand it's confusing, which is why I'm attempting to make it clear that there are separate boards for separate regions, and I have no control or ability to access your account on other boards.

That is not what I asked, I asked if you could contact someone over at the EU boards and have them send over the information you want regarding me.

You are not punished or suspended on these boards that I can see. Nor will you be for posting related content unless that content violates other rules.

I have been punished for made-up rules before... Sure Im not banned here... but can you help me with the ban over on EU boards? Im not asking you to remove the ban. Im asking you to look in to it and explain it to my understanding.

I can't add much more clarity, or do anything to help you with your EU board issue, if that is indeed what the problem is. Best of luck.

Well, then who can? Im banned in ticket suppor,twitter doesnt answer me and banned in EU boards(?)

ModThe DjinnSep 7, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Rhasta Smokeleaf,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PwOAMUcR,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000010000000100000000000100010006,timestamp=2017-09-07T16:55:02.836+0000)

Maybe, where would I find these links? Help me help you to help me.

If the thread was deleted you probably don't. If it wasn't, it should be able to be found in your account history (if still visible) or using Google (if not visible).

Sure, I can see that but I still don't understand the reason for keeping it separate as it causes confusion. (just like in this case)

For the same reason, I imagine, that there are separate servers. Every server has its own community, and otherwise we'd have one big board in who knows how many languages.

That is not what I asked, I asked if you could contact someone over at the EU boards and have them send over the information you want regarding me.

And in this instance I am not going to do that. It seems you may be able to use the EU Boards Discord to contact the EU moderation team, however, although there's a chance you'd need to make a new account to do so (I don't know how they have that structured -- on the NA board you can turn up unverified to talk to the moderators, but EU might be different).

I have been punished for made-up rules before... Sure Im not banned here... but can you help me with the ban over on EU boards? Im not asking you to remove the ban. Im asking you to look in to it and explain it to my understanding.

This is not something I am willing to get involved in, aside from providing you the Discord link above. It's outside the scope of my role as a volunteer moderator to attempt to figure out punishment reasons cross-server.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 7, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=PwOAMUcR,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000010000000100000000000100010007,timestamp=2017-09-07T17:06:28.881+0000)

If the thread was deleted you probably don't. If it wasn't, it should be able to be found in your account history (if still visible) or using Google (if not visible).

Okey, but if you aint willing to get involved or help me understand the punishment I dont see a reason providing a link (its a waste of time on my part)

For the same reason, I imagine, that there are separate servers. Every server has its own community, and otherwise we'd have one big board in who knows how many languages.

I understand and it somewhat make sense. Allthough I would imagine text(like a forum) does not take up very much serverspace.

And in this instance I am not going to do that. It seems you may be able to use the EU Boards Discord to contact the EU moderation team, however, although there's a chance you'd need to make a new account to do so (I don't know how they have that structured -- on the NA board you can turn up unverified to talk to the moderators, but EU might be different).

Okey, hopefully I can contact them via discord. You suggest I make a new account. Can I post in the forum straight away or is there a level requirement to post or access the discord? Im not going to play x amount of games just to get help understanding a forum ban.

This is not something I am willing to get involved in, aside from providing you the Discord link above. It's outside the scope of my role as a volunteer moderator to attempt to figure out punishment reasons cross-server.

Well at least you are the first person related to riot who has been honest with me. I wish that you would put in more effort trying to help me though since Im very confused about a lot of things regarding my ingame,ticket and forum status. I have not gotten any help what so ever, sure I get an answer at first but it is often not related to the question I have, and when I explain my problem again I get lied to and then ignored and finally punished. Im really confused about the entire situation . This thread however is not about this... its about helping others avoid punishments. I share my experience and knowledge and say what I did and what got me in trouble. It's basically a "don't list" of lol.

zPOOPzSep 7, 20172 votes

Rito Twitter, Rito Reddit, Rito Reds on this board, Rito website are all considered official Rito official sources.

If a Rito-er wants to post something personal, I fairly certain they would use their own personal account and not "Riot xxx" user name.

ChermorgSep 7, 20175 votes

While your presumptions are mostly wrong, I will agree with you that repeated use of “easy”, giving up attitude, or repeated telling people what to do are considered negative. Further, if your “telling them what to do” is in an abusive manner, it’s prohibited.

However, the system does not operate on keywords. It operates on linguistic analysis. It is not a “search and find”, it is an artificial neural network that analyzes the chat to determine a confidence level that it is negative/prohibited/should be punished. Over time, people get punished for behavior that is consistently negative.

Some of the other things you say that are incorrect:

Pre/post game chat is examined by the IFS (which issues chat punishments), but it’s not displayed in reform cards because it is stored differently (due to being from the air client and not the game client). You can be punished for solely being negative/toxic in pre/post game chat.

Private messages are not generally considered because they’re considered a voluntary part of the game - you can block someone from your friend’s list, but you can’t block them from being matched with you in queue.

AFK - you don’t get punished for 1 game. LeaverBuster does not punish for one game. It punishes for patterns of leaving. This means, if you afk/left games before they were over out of rage/spite, then had a real emergency, it may have been issued after the emergency, but if you hadn’t left games before, you wouldn’t have been punished.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 7, 20171 votes

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While your presumptions are mostly wrong, I will agree with you that repeated use of “easy”, giving up attitude, or repeated telling people what to do are considered negative. Further, if your “telling them what to do” is in an abusive manner, it’s prohibited.

You tell me Im wrong but you dont tell me how Im wrong or what Im wrong about, you then tells me Im correct about the repeating and giving up attitude, okey you lost me bro.

However, the system does not operate on keywords. It operates on linguistic analysis. It is not a “search and find”, it is an artificial neural network that analyzes the chat to determine a confidence level that it is negative/prohibited/should be punished. Over time, people get punished for behavior that is consistently negative.

This is not true, riot themselves in ticket support told me its words, because you cant detect a "tone" in text.

Some of the other things you say that are incorrect:

Pre/post game chat is examined by the IFS (which issues chat punishments), but it’s not displayed in reform cards because it is stored differently (due to being from the air client and not the game client). You can be punished for solely being negative/toxic in pre/post game chat.

Not true, again I have proof of German Nazis talking about cleaning the arian blood in champion select and not get punished for it. I even screenshotted it and sent it to riot support twitter where they told me they wont do anything about it, sorry.

Private messages are not generally considered because they’re considered a voluntary part of the game - you can block someone from your friend’s list, but you can’t block them from being matched with you in queue.

Blocking someone has nothing to do with the rules and its not a solution to anything, if you block a bully, he will go on and bully another person. You aint solving the problem, you are just dumping your problem on someone else.

AFK - you don’t get punished for 1 game. LeaverBuster does not punish for one game. It punishes for patterns of leaving. This means, if you afk/left games before they were over out of rage/spite, then had a real emergency, it may have been issued after the emergency, but if you hadn’t left games before, you wouldn’t have been punished.

Well it did, sorry to say you are wrong here as well. Riot can confirm that I was punished for leaving 1 game due to a fire in the apartment complex, I made a ticket about it.

ChermorgSep 7, 20171 votes

Proof of “Riot can confirm” your punishment was due to one game?

You screenshotted your support tickets in another thread - open the one where they confirmed that and screenshot it here.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 8, 20171 votes

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Proof of “Riot can confirm” your punishment was due to one game?

You screenshotted your support tickets in another thread - open the one where they confirmed that and screenshot it here.

Here you can read all about it and within this thread Riot-Tantram talks about my log.... note how we took things out of context even though asked not to. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/3jEVVlsY-permanently-banned-with-ingame-log

ModPeriscopeSep 7, 20173 votes

"don't be a dick" no reason to read any of this. It's really that simple.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 7, 20171 votes

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"don't be a dick" no reason to read any of this. It's really that simple.

It's really not. For example. you take the word spam that means something (to send multiple mails with unwanted content) , but in "riots world" it means something totally different. Its not simple when you have rules in one place (real life) and different rules in a games (summoners rift). Also, nowhere are these rules written down nor explained to you, therefor its not simple at all. If it is that simple, then why have riot never been able to explain any of these things I have been punished for, ever? <-- Legit question

ChermorgSep 7, 20173 votes

They have, you just gravitate towards a minute issue you have with their response and ignore all the legitimate explanation of why you get punished.

Your lack of understanding does not mean they have a lack of explaining. It just means you’re dense and trying to fight the battle after all the troops have gone home and the war’s over.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 7, 20171 votes

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They have, you just gravitate towards a minute issue you have with their response and ignore all the legitimate explanation of why you get punished.

Not true, if this was the case I would have understood my punishments better. They just like you claim to have explained this to me but in reality the only thing that has been explained is how their systems work. I know becuase I have had this "discussion" with riot many, many times. It went so far that I had to link them a wikihow on what explaining is. What you and me think "explaning" means is something totally different in the mind of a rioter, it's sad but true. Its the same story with Spam or Idiocy (riot thinks this means idiot)

I have given riot endless chances to explain my punishments. I have given them permission to talk about my accounts and share my logs as long as they are not taken out of context. Yet no rioter does... other then that tantram who came in, said a few lies and then never returned to answer for the lies he had been telling. Like the lie about me intentionally feeding or being a "soft troll" .

Your lack of understanding does not mean they have a lack of explaining. It just means you’re dense and trying to fight the battle after all the troops have gone home and the war’s over.

Sorry but that is not how it works and when it comes to understanding Im your guy. You know insitutes can messure your level of understanding? I have done that and have paper that tells me,you and the rest of the world that there is nothing wrong with my understanding, rather the opposite. I also have an awardwinning way of expressing myself. I have worked as a support in many areas and fields where understanding is key.

You claim I have a lack of understanding but I can read and understand definitions for words such as the word "spam" for example... where riot think spam means "repeating" it does in reality not mean "repeating" , in cases like this I dont think its fair to say that Im the one not understanding.... I think its fair to say that a person using a word wrong is the one who have the problem understanding.

But okey, I play your game, what is it that I have not understood? <-- Legit question.

ChermorgSep 7, 20175 votes

You’re claiming he lies but you have no proof of his lies.

He came in and explained and you’re refusing to accept it, but you have no proof that suggests otherwise.

You are literally the chicken running around with their head cut off screaming about how vaccines cause autism. Just stop please.

ModPeriscopeSep 7, 20171 votes

Post your prior logs in a different post and I'll tell you why you were banned.

It really is that simple. Things like ward here, gank me, help me, what is your age, those things aren't punishable. You are incorrect in stating these are "trigger words"

ModPeriscopeSep 7, 20171 votes

I had previously given my thoughts on your punishment.

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If your constant arguing is only inciting other players to argue, then I can't say I'd enjoy playing with you. More importantly, this chat has very little to do with the game.

As for bannable or not: I believe this chat should be punishable. If this followed a 2 week ban, then the next punishment would be a permaban.

And: You do talk negatively to and about Morgana and ekko. All of your chat is directed toward them, and none of it seems relevant to the game or objectives. Your insults are pretty mild, but you seemed intent on arguing with your teammates, instead of defusing or altogether stopping your communication.

Rhasta SmokeleafSep 7, 20171 votes

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I had previously given my thoughts on your punishment.

And: You do talk negatively to and about Morgana and ekko. All of your chat is directed toward them, and none of it seems relevant to the game or objectives. Your insults are pretty mild, but you seemed intent on arguing with your teammates, instead of defusing or altogether stopping your communication.

Im sorry but I believe you are wrong. What I said had no negative implications. If you translate negativity in to it it's your own doing and not mine, if you are to read the words as they are written without putting your own feelings and translations in to it it's all neutral and not hostile nor negative at all. The only "negative" sentence in that log is "It's over" .... at that point I believe our team was behind 12k gold and about 20 kills.

SubdueSep 7, 20173 votes

I was debating going through your post and answering one at a time, but that seems tedious and pointless, so instead I will simply say this: Context matters, and the IFS knows that. I have never been punished, and in fact currently have Honor 5. Of your list of "trigger words" I have said all of them on many occasions, except for "gg ez" which never has any positive value.

Honestly, just communicating with people the way you would acquaintances sitting in the same room with you is all most people need to not get punished, but if you actually need a breakdown of what to do, I can do that for you.

In a neutral game (no one is already tilted, argumentative, trolling, or anything of the sort):

Avoid pointless criticism. Examples of pointless criticisms include: Stop feeding, should have warded, jungler never ganks, etc. This sort of criticism adds no value to the game and annoys the player being criticized.
If you wish to lead, communicate in concise, tone neutral directives. Examples: Let's baron, Ward red, No flash mid, gank please.
As an addendum to #2, if people don't follow you, LET IT GO. Clearly you haven't established yourself as "the leader" of your team. No amount of chatting at them will fix this.

In a game that has gone negative: 0. NEVER ARGUE WITH SOMEONE IN THE GAME OVER ANYTHING. DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU'RE RIGHT.

Make 1 (one, singular) attempt to diffuse the situation. Example: Oops, my bad, should have tried to gank sooner.
If #1 fails, say you've muted them, but don't actually do it. Often they'll stop if no one is listening. They might have something positive to say later on.
If #2 fails, actually mute them.
If you had to do more than #1, report after the game. Don't mention you're reporting. Don't ask for reports. Just do it.

If you follow these simple instructions, I guarantee you don't get penalized.