im not going to say i didnt deserve the chat restriction i got a couple weeks ago because i did. i raged at an ash, its over and done with. but 3 months of probation to "reform"? what kind of tyrant level punishment is that shit?
Sarutobi3 votesI mean to an extent it makes sense. If you are a frequent forum user, you would see a ton of people who claim they are sorry, they'll never be toxic again, etc. only to have them back saying they got ban or chat restricted again. People can claim all they want that they have improved, but we (riot and the community) needs proof. You do that by not showing your negative behavior in game, that means not getting reported, and not getting more bans/restrictions.
I think Three months is a nice way to reform, if it was shorter (one month) people just would stop playing for a month which isn't even that long of a time period! All in all this goes without saying. That this would have all been unneeded had people not been toxic and breaking the rules. If you can't do the time don't do the crime!
lolipopevelynn1 votesI mean to an extent it makes sense. If you are a frequent forum user, you would see a ton of people who claim they are sorry, they'll never be toxic again, etc. only to have them back saying they got ban or chat restricted again. People can claim all they want that they have improved, but we (riot and the community) needs proof. You do that by not showing your negative behavior in game, that means not getting reported, and not getting more bans/restrictions.
I think Three months is a nice way to reform, if it was shorter (one month) people just would stop playing for a month which isn't even that long of a time period! All in all this goes without saying. That this would have all been unneeded had people not been toxic and breaking the rules. If you can't do the time don't do the crime!
its flawed because after those 3 months of simply disabling your chat you can go right back to being toxic as hell again. so no, 3 months is useless. if someone TRULY wants to reform 1 month is all that is needed. for those that want to remain toxic, remain abuse, and want to remain shit talking there teammates they simply have to understand how the system works and abuse those holes in it. its actually not hard to do either. so someone who legit wants to remain toxic will remain toxic. they have a shit ton of smurfs anyway for just that purpose so they can care less about it to begin with.
Sarutobi2 votesits flawed because after those 3 months of simply disabling your chat you can go right back to being toxic as hell again. so no, 3 months is useless. if someone TRULY wants to reform 1 month is all that is needed. for those that want to remain toxic, remain abuse, and want to remain shit talking there teammates they simply have to understand how the system works and abuse those holes in it. its actually not hard to do either. so someone who legit wants to remain toxic will remain toxic. they have a shit ton of smurfs anyway for just that purpose so they can care less about it to begin with.
And if they go right back to it they get hit with another ban. How exactly does one month enough time to not only reform, but to show that you have changed? Especially if you aren't playing everyday, it just isn't enough to warrant that you have actually changed. It's just like in real life I've never seen probation that was as short as one month. Now grated those are actual crimes being committed, and you can't really compare the two, but all in all the premise is the same, it's to make sure that you know what you did wrong and don't do it again!
lolipopevelynn1 votesAnd if they go right back to it they get hit with another ban. How exactly does one month enough time to not only reform, but to show that you have changed? Especially if you aren't playing everyday, it just isn't enough to warrant that you have actually changed. It's just like in real life I've never seen probation that was as short as one month. Now grated those are actual crimes being committed, and you can't really compare the two, but all in all the premise is the same, it's to make sure that you know what you did wrong and don't do it again!
playing for 1 month straight to show reform is really not enough time for you? 31 days, for multiple hours a day. thats hundreds of games being played during that month, how is that not enough lol? and stop comparing real world logic to a game. in the "real world" you dont get fucking arrested for cursing someone out on the street, calling them an idiot. or telling them to fuck off. so stop with that logic.
its not at all the same thing and you shouldn't use such logic/analogy. as a matter of fact LoL is the only dictatorship game that even punishes you for what you SAY in a game rather than what you DO. bots and scripters are still running rampant and they somehow still find that verbal abuse is actually more of a problem because some peoples feelings get hurt.
if you really want to make this reasonable then let the probation time scale based on activity. 3+ months for very inactive players and 1 month for very active players. in one month i can get ATLEAST 100-200 games in if im active. that should be more than enough games to judge if you have changed since it only takes like 10 games or less of reporting to get chat restricted.
Zombiemaster2 votesits flawed because after those 3 months of simply disabling your chat you can go right back to being toxic as hell again. so no, 3 months is useless.
The same could be said if the probation period was only 1 month long as well. The only difference between the 3 months that Riot uses and the 1 month that you are suggesting is, using the 1 month, people who want to be toxic can still go back to being toxic again, but now in an even shorter amount of time. Having the time period be longer will make the players who don't want to receive the next harshest punishment have to go longer without being toxic in game, which would result in an overall fewer amount of games with toxic players. For those who don't care, well, there's really nothing Riot can do about them. Riot will keep punishing them when they come back to being toxic, but they don't care about any punishment they receive anyways.
Of course, using this logic, why not make the probation period even longer? Well, that's where Riot has to draw the line. I do agree that the 3 months is pretty arbitrary. Then again pretty much any time period they use would be pretty arbitrary, but they need to draw the line somewhere. I don't know the reason behind the whole 3 months thing that Riot is doing. My guess is that Riot believed that 3 months was long enough time period to ensure that someone is truly reformed, but not entirely too long to make the players who have reformed feel like they will have this "punishment" forever.
Lastly, of course the system is flawed. The system is not perfect and will never be perfect. There will always be flaws in Riot's system that trolls can abuse to be toxic while not being punished too heavily, or even at all. Besides, anyone who legit wants to remain toxic will always be able to remain toxic, no matter the kind of system that is in place.
Linthe3 votesim not going to say i didnt deserve the chat restriction i got a couple weeks ago because i did. i raged at an ash, its over and done with. but 3 months of probation to "reform"? what kind of tyrant level punishment is that shit?
If it truly IS over and done with... then it doesn't matter how long the probationary period is??
Void Nargacuga2 votesWould you rather have been instantly permabanned without a chance to reform?
lolipopevelynn2 votes[{quoted}](name=Bow hunter 16,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=eH5EVRLW,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-03-17T06:25:49.941+0000)
Would you rather have been instantly permabanned without a chance to reform?
im not saying the probation in and of itself is bad. im saying that 3 months for only a 10 game chat restriction is a bit much. half a month or even a month would be more reasonable.
Void Nargacuga3 votesWell it also applies to each tier of punishment. You drop down one punishment tier every 3 months. Its kinda a way to make sure of your behavior in games has changed and is more consistently adhering to the summoner's code.
Troll for Trump1 votesOnly need one month to tell whether or not you've reformed; Or at least have it be set by ____ games played instead of time periods. They removed dominion, so the "grinding" isn't really applicable. TT games and ARAM games can last about as long as SR games these days.
Void Nargacuga1 votesI'm not the one who made those rules. I'm just trying to be informative. Could it be shorter? Yeah possible. But I don't have control over that.
Troll for Trump1 votesI'm not asking for you to change it. I'm saying it's wrong, and basically somewhat spreading the word. It's not like I'm saying, "go change everything, balance every champ, do what Riot could not".
I'm just stating the potential flaws in the system.
Void Nargacuga1 votesThere will always be potential flaws in something. Some are just hidden and take time to surface. And I'm not gonna stop you. So go ahead.
Sythriel Draken2 votesIt's not just that. Rito is purposely not telling their customers who have had a chat restriction when they consider them "reformed". I had a 10 game chat restriction about a month ago as well, and lemme tell you, it's annoying when I have an amazing game to constantly see the reminder that not only did I not receive any champion points, but also that I can't earn loot. Hell, unless I'm on my mastery level 5 champions I'm not even seeing a grade or how much IP I won!
I've honestly given up on the hextech crafting system. at first I thought it was cool, but then Socrates pissed everyone off on twitter and went into hiding and only two responses on the matter pertaining to what comes down to "We don't have a system in place to tell when you're reformed for the system" nor giving us the option to squelch the message at the end of every game, it's not given me much hope in this system lasting.
in the meantime, we all get to deal with the trolls in normals and ranked causing even MORE toxicity due to the attitude of "oh well, I can't earn a chest, neither can anyone else!"
sometimes i love it how NA is the live action PBE... Oh well, maybe in a year I'll finally be able to get a chest from a 10 game chat restriction I got a month ago because I finally got tired of a guy sending me death threats in game..
1 800 MID LANE1 votesI didn't even know they gave a probation period.
lolipopevelynn1 votesI didn't even know they gave a probation period.
they always have. during that 3 months the severly flawed system they have in place judgest you more tightly and closely, especially for people who have got off a ban. after the 3-6 months(sometimes even a year depending on the severity) you are considered "reformed" and its all reset and the system doesnt monitor you as closely anymore.
atleast thats what i have found out.