The most toxic game community. I've expalined this before, the masses don't understand still.

DonnieDarkin·Jun 11, 2017·4 votes·1,422 views

So why is the game so toxic? Across he board with sample size of millions of players, you have to conclude its rooted in human nature.

Its not complicated--people feel anger or sadness when things are beyond their control. So much of the game is not in a players control. This is always going to produced emotions. And some people aren't good at controlling their emotions, and some choose not to. These are personality issues, and if you think that bans are going to correct behavoior rooted in their years of experiences that developed them into the kind of person they are now, you have no grasp of human nature, how complex people are, or really, reality in general.

Riot created a game, that at its core, will bring out the worst in people due to the nature of the game. That is, individual rank and status based largely on a lot that is out of the player's control. And this isn't some small thing. A good player who wins some and losses some, could get unlucky with teammates a few matches in a row and cause him to play bad being frustrate for run out of patience, and lose more after that.

Riot doesn't really care about fixing the issue. If they did, they would come down hard on people who purposely troll and instigate to try to get a reaction out of people. And they would do something that would lessen the blow of a loss so that players feel less bad when losing due to circumstances out of their control.

You aren't going to change human nature and you certainly won't correct with bans or chat restrictions. The idea that you think you can impart a real change in a person by such means is beyond laughable

22 Comments

ModUlanopoJun 11, 20175 votes

Riot created a game, that at its core, will bring out the worst in people due to the nature of the game.

How is different from, say basketball or Monopoly? Lots of games have a random element or a team component. What makes MOBAs worse in general? What makes League worse than other MOBAs?

DonnieDarkinJun 11, 20171 votes

In basketball your teammates are not usually random. Furthermore, a good basketball or football player will still be known for the individual skill regardless of win/loss of the team. IE Junior Seau of the Chargers or something like that. Even with a bad team, they aren't random so you can probably reason with them and worth together to change how things are going...which you seldom can do in league without everyone getting triggered.This is why MOBAS are ridiculously worse, not to mention the fact that basket ball or other sports have rules that barely ever change, and everyone on the team is the same character--a human being. You won't randomly be match up against something different that is OP, and hes not taking advantage of the latest patch or buff.

The fact that I have to even explain this to you rather disturbing.

sheldonbunnyJun 11, 20174 votes

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The fact that I have to even explain this to you rather disturbing.

You could have left this bit out. It in no way aided your cause and came off as rude, dismissive, and mean spirited. Instead of someone instantly shooting you down you had someone provide thought provoking discussion, which is one of the better points of these forums. People do not exist just to nod and agree with your ideas.

theseapeaJan 17, 20181 votes

Cry. Reports from kids like you I'm certain are the reason the rest of us can't dish any criticism without fear of bans. And riot knows this; kids like you have parents' money who buy skins, so it really won't matter.

ModUlanopoJun 11, 20178 votes

The fact that I have to even explain this to you rather disturbing.

Maybe. On the other hand, I find your comments reveal a lack of experience with competitive sports. There are many times where you are faced with a player or tactic you just can't counter.

Consider the example of Dennis Rodman's time with the Bulls. His ability to grab rebounds was so dominant that it took an already superior team to a whole new level. As a Wings fan, I can regale you with stories about how Nick Lidstrom was easily the best defensive player the NHL has ever seen and how he took an otherwise unremarkable team to two Stanley Cups.

I could also talk about how the advent of the West Coast Offense led to the gradual decline of my beloved Michigan Wolverines, but that's as much a nostalgia thing as an example of a changing meta. I can point out how Manti Te'o got wrecked in the NCAA championship game, not because he was distraught over having been catfished, but because he had never faced a powerful north-south back and an offensive line geared to support it.

The notion of never being subject to an OP combo outside of League is pretty ridiculous, as well. Just the other day, I had a HotS match where the enemy team sported a Medivh + Varian. Talk about a frustrating lack of counterplay!

This doesn't even begin to touch all the games with a high-randomness component.

My point is that all the things you ascribe to League exist elsewhere in equal measure.

khorneyJun 11, 20171 votes

It's known fact that league is more toxic also riot permabanned people for no reason. The game is toxic due to game length snowballing and it's always the supports fault. compare aram to summoner rift? Riot bans people and has the worst system out of any moba period. Like you can get banned for essentially saying nothing people can say what they want to you riot doesn't care you say anything boom banned,. Riot holds a double standard as well boards are far more toxic riot doesn't care.

EvilDustManJun 11, 20175 votes

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It's known fact that league is more toxic also riot permabanned people for no reason. The game is toxic due to game length snowballing and it's always the supports fault. compare aram to summoner rift? Riot bans people and has the worst system out of any moba period. Like you can get banned for essentially saying nothing people can say what they want to you riot doesn't care you say anything boom banned,. Riot holds a double standard as well boards are far more toxic riot doesn't care.

Stop posting.

ModUlanopoJun 11, 20171 votes

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Stop posting.

Not helping.

khorneyJun 12, 20171 votes

stop being toxic

ModUlanopoJun 11, 20174 votes

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It's known fact that league is more toxic.

Known to whom? If my experiences are any guide, DOTA/DOTA2 are far more toxic and unwelcoming.

khorneyJun 12, 20171 votes

league is toxic due to summoners rift snowballing and in general its always "supports" fault for losing. People are to reprot happy on this game which is sad just because someone says ANYTHING and you reprot them ...lol i find it funny becuase reproting solves nothing and the people that report are hypocrites for the simple logic of every one is toxic in league or has been afk or has fed....feeding is feeding regardless if its intent or not its still feeding and there is 4 other players on the team to win is there not? league comes down to pretty much 1 person carrying

theseapeaJan 17, 20181 votes

Truth when you say the hypocrisy in reporting is rampant. I think that's probably why the tribunal was such a colossal dump/failure.

theseapeaJan 17, 20181 votes

I have a fun game in league once in about 50. Those are good odds. Truth be told I only play because it does help my aim in general.

BarkhoofJun 12, 20174 votes

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How is different from, say basketball or Monopoly? Lots of games have a random element or a team component. What makes MOBAs worse in general? What makes League worse than other MOBAs?

I think a better analogy is life, in general. Even if you feel sadness or anger, you're taught at a very early age that the minute you act up on those feelings towards others, you're going to be disciplined. And what's the point of discipline? Is it because we're satists and enjoy punishment? No, it's to correct reaction and teach social norms. By the OPs argument, because it's human nature to lash out when someone takes our toy at age 5, we should just accept that.

No, we correct and teach because it's what we deem acceptable in community. That's entirely the argument. You could make the argument that it's not Riot's job to correct unacceptable behavior; however, they've taken up that mantle because the alternative is the Wild-West where everything goes.

EvilDustManJun 11, 20174 votes

Games are 40 minutes long. Just about every game where you are stuck with people that long is going to be toxic.

Mind you, there are always people who think talking like Twitch or the YouTube comment section is okay and funny

Last avatarnameJun 11, 20173 votes

Some people say that killing people is part of our nature, so we shouldn't try to prevent it. We however have decided that we do not want killings and prohibited them.

We prohibit things because they go against who we want to be not because they go against who we are. We don't want killing to be a generally allowed thing because we don't want to get killed. We don't want flaming to be generally allowed because people don't want to get flamed.

If it is truly against human nature to not flame every person on this board should have been banned. Restraint is what stops us, restraint is also part of human nature. It is what we learn so we can live together. If 90/99 percent can restrain themselves when they are mad, why should the ones that can't even show common decency be kept in?

Flamers generally annoy people and distract people from playing the game. It is a technique that is not used to win games or even used to have fun, it is just misbehavior. While I am against permanent bans myself(I don't think they help) I do think that people should be punished if they misbehave in game. In soccer you get punished for kicking somebody down, In basketball you get punished for knocking your opponent out and in league you get punished for flaming.

Also taking a sample size from the boards is not representative of league of legends it is like saying the earths population is mostly cabbage by taking the cabbage garden as a sample for the whole world(what I am saying is that the boards like player behavior have a large amount of players banned for toxicity).

khorneyJun 11, 20171 votes

I've explained this to but people will downvote and be more toxic on the boards which riot deems okay. Also when you look at that summoner rift makes people toxic due to game length and feeders. I combine doing bad and intent feeding the same because both fed so does it really matter

KORGtunersJun 11, 20171 votes

These are personality issues, and if you think that bans are going to correct behavoior rooted in their years of experiences that developed them into the kind of person they are now, you have no grasp of human nature, how complex people are, or really, reality in general.

Yes. MOAR PLZ. I've been shit talking in video games for 15 years. That shit doesn't change over night.