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Please do something about this, it is not okay.

koshkyra··35 votes·1,906 views

Recently i got back into playing ranked games and was climbing with a buddy of mine. I was playing support (janna) and he was my ADC (lucian). When we got into the lobby, our jungler said,

"yo give me support idw jgl"

I replied with, "sorry i cant jungle, mayb ask mid?"

Before jgl could say anything, mid said "sorry i cant jungle either"

Jungle then stopped talking for a while and locked in Sona jungle (after id already locked in janna). They then switched their spells from smite and flash to exhaust and flash (for support) and didnt say anything while the picks went on.

Everyone was asking and confused, why was this guy trolling us?

He replied with, "so dodge".

We were at 0 seconds left when I had to be the big person and dodge because this scumbag was going to make 4 other people lose 20 LP because he was having a tantrum.

I had to wait a good 15 minutes to get back into queue (and i think i lose 5 LP for this, dont i?) while im sure this guy had a good laugh about it and procede to either:

-get rewarded for being a baby and get his intended role next time -ruin someone elses match/lobby and make another person dodge

This is not okay. We need to put a stop to this, guys like this go around ruining games with 0 consequences.

Sure we can just do the match and report him after. But still, things like:

-the report doesnt get them punished because there arent chatlogs of pre-game lobby (85% chance this will happen) -4 other people lose 20 LP because of this jerk -time and effort is wasted in something that is a gaurunteed loss

Things like that will happen and youre much better off dodging and getting a moderate penalty while this guy gets off free with 0 consequences for what he did.

Please Riot, do something.

43 Comments

Kei14317 votes

pre / post game chats are checked.

You let him roam free without being able to report him cos you didn't call his bluff.

Role stealing is a 14-day ban punishment.

LegendmakerGX10 votes

I really blame this stupid auto fill since some times it put you in a very stupid spot I had to deal with this type of crap too but it's mostly the auto fill fault, I play ever single role to a platinum level except for ADC but for some reason this stupid auto fill places me in ADC when I 98% of the time never Adc. Heck I would rather support then ADC because support doesn't really need a extreme level of skill like ADC where they have to macro and make sure they last hit.

TwoChikfilaSauce3 votes

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I really blame this stupid auto fill since some times it put you in a very stupid spot I had to deal with this type of crap too but it's mostly the auto fill fault, I play ever single role to a platinum level except for ADC but for some reason this stupid auto fill places me in ADC when I 98% of the time never Adc. Heck I would rather support then ADC because support doesn't really need a extreme level of skill like ADC where they have to macro and make sure they last hit.

Yup, autofill is horrible.

Telephone Booth1 votes

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I really blame this stupid auto fill since some times it put you in a very stupid spot I had to deal with this type of crap too but it's mostly the auto fill fault, I play ever single role to a platinum level except for ADC but for some reason this stupid auto fill places me in ADC when I 98% of the time never Adc. Heck I would rather support then ADC because support doesn't really need a extreme level of skill like ADC where they have to macro and make sure they last hit.

There is no macro in this game just so you know. I think you mean kite.

rtbf2216514121 votes

[{quoted}](name=Telephone Booth,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=dABgf0ZX,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2017-07-15T05:47:28.773+0000)

There is no macro in this game just so you know. I think you mean kite.

When you can kite with a support mage. Soraka + item 3098 Lul

Vectros1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Telephone Booth,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=dABgf0ZX,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2017-07-15T05:47:28.773+0000)

There is no macro in this game just so you know. I think you mean kite.

Uh, yes there is.

rtbf2216514121 votes

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Heck I would rather support then ADC because support doesn't really need a extreme level of skill like ADC where they have to macro and make sure they last hit.

You really don't want to for several reasons:

  1. You are the one who does most of the clutch saving or hard CC plays. Same for jungle. That is why I LIKE those roles. That requires more skill than you think. Especially since that can be the determination of who will win. So, in fact, a good support is actually hard to play. Like:

Soraka doesn't just heal. She has a slow and a snare. Very good zoning and peel. You need to make use of that and aim correctly. It's not just skill shots. It's also precise aiming for peeling as well. Also her Q heals her.

There are more examples.

  1. It's actually harder to carry with support because people don't know how to go in, what peel is, what zoning is, and how to let a tank... Tank. Also, they don't understand that if I snare an entire team, that becomes an initiation. A lot of problems with Support are not just how to play it correctly. It's also how people interact with you. Your team determines more your win than you... Usually. I had a game where I carried as support Taric. That was an exception. But, I had around like 5 active + 4 skills. So basically, I had to think fast with basically 9 skills in my skill bar. However, you need at least a team with half a brain. You can't really carry alone. That is why assists are a priority for supports, not kills.

  2. Not only do you have to protect people (Yes, even the worst ADC's you can imagine), you also have to look at the entire mini map while doing it. Yes, you do not last hit. That time is spent on warding and the mini map. There is a catch. After a while, you can alert your team when a jungle has the best time to gank and they either listen (ruining the enemy gank) or they die.

  3. You do no damage. (Last hitting has a down side). So what? That means you can't defend lanes when your team is like "LUL let's chase singed across the map" while the main towers/Nexus is under attack by Super Minions.

  4. You get no income without gold income items. You also have to build a ward. This means 1-2 items are out of the question because you need the mandatory items... Sometimes you can get away without Sightstone, but that is VERY rare. Especially against a competent team. It doesn't matter how much you signal your ADC to go back when you know, even without sightstone, there is most likely a gank coming. They will die and blame you for not warding.

However, you are correct with autofill. There is like 5+ options I can think of to not make it mandatory, one being not segregating the community so obnoxiously hard while higher elo complains about lack of players. No shit. There is a lack of players when 70%, more or less, of the community is Bronze/Silver.

Kartagia1 votes

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I really blame this stupid auto fill since some times it put you in a very stupid spot I had to deal with this type of crap too but it's mostly the auto fill fault, I play ever single role to a platinum level except for ADC but for some reason this stupid auto fill places me in ADC when I 98% of the time never Adc. Heck I would rather support then ADC because support doesn't really need a extreme level of skill like ADC where they have to macro and make sure they last hit.

I do blame community not give people options. That jungle nor anybody in your team did not know options for jungle. There are several, but community is so simple-minded they do not let people use them:

Jungle can go top support. This is constant gank top. This approach requires bottom/mid take bottom large monster, and top/mid/jungle take top one before heading to lane.

Benenfit: Top has way better map awareness, and should push fast win on lane so team gets two gankers.

HIndrance: All players has to play more careful until top get lane pushed, or until enemy jungle is tied to top.

RacoonHunter8 votes

Autofill is horrible, but i'm going to say that RIOT themselves, promote this type of behavior.

I say this because, as the op said, 85% of the pre and post game chat isn't recorded and Other people have lost 18-25 LP already because of this person. The person who does this has done their damage, and what does the victim have to do? Try their luck in their next game.. Well, guess what, This might cause the person to get de ranked, causing them to have to win their next 2-4 games to even get BACK what this troll's damage has caused.

If riot's system included some form of "LP gain" system to the victims, then I think people will do this less. It's not hard for riot to look at a game, see the players in it, and say if someone gets punished cause of trolling, they give those 4 other players bonus LP on their next win. This would more than make up for the trolling and is fair in my eyes..

well, until riot actually decides to pull their heads out of their asses and fix this issue instead of promoting it

SzGamer2271 votes

Autofill or no, you are not justified in taking champ select hostage for any reason. You can't fuck up the system just because you don't agree with it or because you think you're above the rules.

SennaFirstPick4 votes

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Heck I would rather support then ADC because support doesn't really need a extreme level of skill like ADC where they have to macro and make sure they last hit.

are you kidding me right now? if you believe this, please don't play support.

LegendmakerGX2 votes

[{quoted}](name=FF HopSin,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=dABgf0ZX,comment-id=00000006,timestamp=2017-07-15T21:21:35.329+0000)

are you kidding me right now? if you believe this, please don't play support.

I'm not kidding Hopsin I actually play support and it's easy compare to ADC where they have to make sure every single last hit count while making sure enemy doesn't harras them and coming from a guy who has been auto filled support and have a win history supporting I don't change anything I said.

Kartagia2 votes

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I'm not kidding Hopsin I actually play support and it's easy compare to ADC where they have to make sure every single last hit count while making sure enemy doesn't harras them and coming from a guy who has been auto filled support and have a win history supporting I don't change anything I said.

And he does not need change what he is saying, as you are wrong. Playing support is the hardest role of the game along with support, as difficulty of those roles is not in game mechanical performance, but tactical understanding and required knowledge.

Support play is totally team work and tactical decisions. You have to know how every single champion in the game works, and how their abilities work together. You have to know where to put wards on way more complex level than any other role. And you have to know when to retreat, when to go forward, and where to go. Support does not stay on bottom unless he is really bad support. Good support observes where he is needed, and does not act like rib bone of adc almost every adc want you to believe.

LegendmakerGX1 votes

You got to be kidding me right? No you don't need to know every single champion in the game and how they work you just need to know a certain 2-3 champion that can support. Did you really say you need to know where to place wards? Here is a advice and usually support never think about it but you ward in enemy jungle/ entrance so you know if they are on your side of the map, people think it's always their river entrance and tri bush is where they ward but no it is the worst position because it gives horrible time to react to.

If you think support is the most complex role then there is a huge problem I recommend you try other roles before saying support is the hardest role also support usually always follow this path as building item 3105 item 3107 item 3109 item 2049 <<it never changes until the next season.

Kartagia2 votes

No, I am not kidding you. I am telling what it takes to be good support. Support has to know what his team can do and how to coordinate team. And how enemies work.

I have been playing support since season 1, and due season 1 experience, I know this role better you do. ANd simple reason was the fact season 1 supports were allowed to improvise and seek new ways to play. Season 2 people stated to toxic attack on support touching their minions and getting kills, as they start that on tank champions. When new draft system came, RIot did make big mistake placing support to bottom lane, as support never ought to have lane. With good adc, support should usually be bottom, but not always. If enemy counters your top, or enemy has hypercarry top, support should go there.

I know this gets shitload of flame from players who cannot basics - they cannot ward, nor understand factual gold gain.

rtbf2216514122 votes

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making sure enemy doesn't harras them and coming from a guy who has been auto filled support and have a win history supporting I don't change anything I said.

Except this doesn't apply when the support peels for you. Did you forget what supports do?

I'm not autofilled either.

Support Main

rtbf2216514129 votes

Okay, look. In this situation, you don't dodge. You let him troll.

Why?

Because his logs will bring even more evidence to the table, his arguing would be in game, and you won't look like the bad guy.** Never give a troll what they want. **Ever. You had no jungle? Okay. Roaming support. Make something work. The meta isn't the determination of a win or lose. It's how you deal with the cards dealt to you.

Was it okay? No. That is why you force him to dodge instead or let him whine the entire game because the person didn't get what he wanted.

This Is Your Dad6 votes

The problem is that you have to waste your time on a losing match just to file a report that will likely never trigger a ban.

rtbf2216514124 votes

[{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=dABgf0ZX,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-07-15T04:50:28.829+0000)

The problem is that you have to waste your time on a losing match just to file a report that will likely never trigger a ban.

So your choices are either:

Let him suffer (even disregarding the report) or get a dodge penalty AND give him what he wants.

Which one sounds better for you?

The one that punishes you harder?

Wicked Hunter1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=dABgf0ZX,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-07-15T04:50:28.829+0000)

The problem is that you have to waste your time on a losing match just to file a report that will likely never trigger a ban.

If only they were more drastic with bans especially in ranked games.. Some way they re not cause they need to take into account that some people just ban other people for fun trust me there are sort of weird people in this game you would be surprise to see

rtbf2216514121 votes

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If only they were more drastic with bans especially in ranked games.. Some way they re not cause they need to take into account that some people just ban other people for fun trust me there are sort of weird people in this game you would be surprise to see

I just think dodges need to be punished harder.

Dodging should actually lose you the amount of LP that would be a lost game. The fact Riot is like:

'Dodging is bad k?'

'But dodge to keep more LP safe'

Is ridiculously counter-intuitive and contradictory.

Ranked is already punished harder. If it isn't, then Riot needs to look into that.

But Aram dodges should be punished hard as well for different reasons. Every other dodge is just... Whatever.

qxsu1 votes

They are pretty drastic. I've gotten punished by pushing /mute all. If a bunch of people report you at once... you are very likely to get banned no matter what.

TheViper79119 votes

Correct dont negotiate with terrorists.

Wicked Hunter2 votes

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Correct dont negotiate with terrorists.

Indeed but imagine you have trolls in last 3 games and u meet yet another one during the champion selection. In that moment you already feel like you had enough you just can t take it anymore.

It can happen this, you just feel like you can t lose more precious time anymore

TheViper79115 votes

It has happened to me. During all 5 games of silver to gold promos. I used mute all and played through it and got to gold.

I thought bronze would be the end of it but no. I mute and move on and get over it.

Telephone Booth4 votes

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Okay, look. In this situation, you don't dodge. You let him troll.

Why?

Because his logs will bring even more evidence to the table, his arguing would be in game, and you won't look like the bad guy.** Never give a troll what they want. **Ever. You had no jungle? Okay. Roaming support. Make something work. The meta isn't the determination of a win or lose. It's how you deal with the cards dealt to you.

Was it okay? No. That is why you force him to dodge instead or let him whine the entire game because the person didn't get what he wanted.

I agree. As long as we don't have a way to report before the game starts, this is the only way. You lose 5 L.P. if you dodge? Well stay in it, take the chance of a 15-20LP loss instead, and get that guy punished. He just gets away with it and will continue to as long as people eat the dodge. It's not like you're gonna win every game that you play through anyways. What's one more loss?

Wicked Hunter1 votes

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Okay, look. In this situation, you don't dodge. You let him troll.

Why?

Because his logs will bring even more evidence to the table, his arguing would be in game, and you won't look like the bad guy.** Never give a troll what they want. **Ever. You had no jungle? Okay. Roaming support. Make something work. The meta isn't the determination of a win or lose. It's how you deal with the cards dealt to you.

Was it okay? No. That is why you force him to dodge instead or let him whine the entire game because the person didn't get what he wanted.

Do they ever get punished? I mean mate this system is automatic nobody ever reads there imagine how many reports are in one single hour from normal games to ranked in all elo's from lower to higher. As far as I know (I might be right or wrong) in order for someone to get punished they need to get a number of reports in some period of time. Maybe he does this in one game but if he behaves next games no ban for him.

Aeszarck2 votes

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Okay, look. In this situation, you don't dodge. You let him troll.

Why?

Because his logs will bring even more evidence to the table, his arguing would be in game, and you won't look like the bad guy.** Never give a troll what they want. **Ever. You had no jungle? Okay. Roaming support. Make something work. The meta isn't the determination of a win or lose. It's how you deal with the cards dealt to you.

Was it okay? No. That is why you force him to dodge instead or let him whine the entire game because the person didn't get what he wanted.

Great attitude. I too refuse to give trolls the dodge they want. I want them to be punished.

Pinkaj3 votes

Literally staying calm will annoy the troll so badly that they have to do something to bother you, mostly saying bad things in the chat. Work with the rest of your team to remain calm and just play. But I do agree that Riot needs to do something about this.

SmoothIntFeeder1 votes

{quoted}

Okay, look. In this situation, you don't dodge. You let him troll.

Why?

Because his logs will bring even more evidence to the table, his arguing would be in game, and you won't look like the bad guy.** Never give a troll what they want. **Ever. You had no jungle? Okay. Roaming support. Make something work. The meta isn't the determination of a win or lose. It's how you deal with the cards dealt to you.

Was it okay? No. That is why you force him to dodge instead or let him whine the entire game because the person didn't get what he wanted.

and are we supposed to take all the nonsense this idiot will bring to us?

rtbf2216514122 votes

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and are we supposed to take all the nonsense this idiot will bring to us?

Yes. If you can't deal with the cards dealt with you, I'm not even sure why you are playing this game in the first place.

Riot still has no excuse for allowing people like this in the game though. We saw how well treating them pre-tyler1 perma ban was like. (Although he got special treatment to begin with)

SmoothIntFeeder1 votes

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Yes. If you can't deal with the cards dealt with you, I'm not even sure why you are playing this game in the first place.

Riot still has no excuse for allowing people like this in the game though. We saw how well treating them pre-tyler1 perma ban was like. (Although he got special treatment to begin with)

well i have no time to waste on something like this . i dislike the idea of wasting 40 minutes of my life playing with a kid who didn't get his candy just to report him afterwards . it makes no sense. i wouldn't mind if someone trolls pick as long as this player knows how to play , but the thing is after this one has fed the enemy and the match is clearly lost he doesn't want to surrender.he wants you to play "his" game even if he has like 50 deaths.

rtbf2216514121 votes

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well i have no time to waste on something like this . i dislike the idea of wasting 40 minutes of my life playing with a kid who didn't get his candy just to report him afterwards . it makes no sense. i wouldn't mind if someone trolls pick as long as this player knows how to play , but the thing is after this one has fed the enemy and the match is clearly lost he doesn't want to surrender.he wants you to play "his" game even if he has like 50 deaths.

I see it as this:

The longer it takes, the more experience you get. And I don't mean in game experience (level) either.

slippykitten4 votes

Because the game has a fundamental flaw that rewards trolls and punishes everyone else around them. You either sit quietly and get victimized, or you say something and get punished by riot. And this community would rather see people get banned for saying "ez" at the end of a match instead of address these issues. It's insanity.

Kartagia2 votes

Exactly.

This is what I have tried to tell Riot, but always I get down voted, and Riot fan boys start barrage me, as it is totally wrong to say Riot is doing something not only sub optimal but totally counter-productive way. And it is sad Riot did again the same in the honor system. Again they did make change without listening those who point flaws of the system, as they think those are just whining without thinking their preciously thought system was flawed.

I told Riot this when they made it violation of summoner's code to argue against rules violators, as that is giving silent support to bullies. And it has given bullies silent support. I have not met single bully for seasons who does not believe RIot won't punish him for flaming and attack on team mate. But they do believe Riot handling people who does not do as they are told with "trolling reason" making adc player life harder.

I hope Riot fired the employee who did give us the notorious support singed summary of investigation. That Riot employee did totally destroy all respect to Riot by all. He did said out loud things we fear to be true, and which totally matched with behavior of the system. The fact RIot did not care of summoner's code, but just sheer number of reports. That Riot was punishing people without any investigation, and no investigation would make Riot admit the punishment was wrong, as it would require some compensation to the the wrongly punished.

Cowseed1 votes

I told Riot this when they made it violation of summoner's code to argue against rules violators, as that is giving silent support to bullies.

Is this true?

Cowseed1 votes

And this community would rather see people get banned for saying "ez" at the end of a match instead of address these issues.

^ xInfinity

I've seen 3 post on GGEZ and every god damn time they become top post while post like this dissipate awfully quick.

TheHappyReaperz2 votes

the report doesnt get them punished because there arent chatlogs of pre-game lobby (85% chance this will happen)

What? How do you know that?

killswitchXV1 votes

Howdy! I Just read your comment and i get those too while playing ranked games. i once had a person that got support role in ranked but insisted on going jungle and he picked warwick. thankfully someone in my team dodged. Secondly, im sure everyone will be annoyed by that so everyone will report that person, and believe me i'm 100% sure leaverbuster will notice and punish that person. These people are despised by the LoL community and probably only do this because of the autofill system. but i have no trouble with autofill system since everytime i fill adc i get the role i want. Thats all i have to say. Good Luck Summoner!

SzGamer2271 votes

Don't dodge when someone trolls pregame. Let them tank their MMR and report them after the game. Otherwise you give them a free pass to do it again and you receive a penalty for their shitty behavior.

powershot121 votes

Unfortunately Riot does not care about this. They will be busy banning "toxic players" when this is allowed to happen. These people need to be put in place. Esepcially when LP is awarded based off of wins and losses, dodging is better. I am not willing to lose 20 LP just to maybe get the guy punished. Riot needs to fix this broken system or more of these losers are allowed to thrive.

SmoothIntFeeder1 votes

i think there should be a Low priority system in LoL just like in dota 2 , the more a player trolls and feeds , the more that player stay in LP will be.

DoubleTapper1 votes

Maybe rito should add a report option in champ select..? Then have the team members vote on it. Experiment with that, I guess?

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